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* Robert Spencer:

If you speak honestly and accurately about the Islamic jihad doctrine and the Islamic supremacist agenda, and even confine your case entirely to quotes from authoritative Islamic sources and spokesmen, you will still be accused of “hating Muslims.” This is the constant refrain of apologists for jihad and their useful idiots in the West — and they constantly have recourse to it because they know that it is effective: it turns the Left and much of the squishy Right away from the message of the “hater,” regardless of how outlandish and unjust the charge is.

Myself, I don’t hate Muslims. I love Muslims. Telling the truth is not an act of hate. I am not “Islamophobic,” I am Islamorealistic. I tell the truth about Islam and work to defend Western civilization and society from the encroachments of a legal and societal system that oppresses Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Or visit our Islam site: here

For the Nutroots:

Multicultural Europe and its suicide

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ukinfidels2Finsbury Park Mosque, London 2002

Are you willing to defend your freedom?

*  Fight against sharia: “Sharia is Hate”

Unlike refugees from Nazism, or Communism, who hated Nazis and hated Communists, and wanted only to escape from them and, in many cases, to actively work against them, the so-called “refugees” or simply immigrants from Muslim lands bring with them, in their mental baggage, Islam itself. They do not realize that it is Islam, with its inshallah-fatalism and natural support for depotism as opposed to advanced Western democracy (for the belief-system locates legitimacy not in the expressed will of the people, but in the will expressed by Allah in the Qur’an, as glossed by Hadith and Sira). They carry the belief-system with them, and what is more, attempt – not without success — to spread it about, to make sure that the numbers of adherents of Islam grow and grow and grow. It is this Da’wa, and demographic conquest that is the result of fantastic, utterly unchecked Muslim migration, and the great disparity in birth-rates between Muslims (who often smuggle in plural wives, supported by Infidel taxpayers in their generous welfare payments), and the indigenous non-Muslims, that has, for example, caused the 15,000 Muslims in Holland in 1970 to become 1 million, or 5-7 million Muslims now to burden the educational and justice systems, and the welfare benefits, and the laic state, and social peace, in France, and England, and Germany, and everywhere that Muslims in large numbers have been permitted to settle — which has led, no clear-sighted Infidel can deny, to a situation far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous — and becoming more unpleasant, more expensive, more physically dangerous every day — for the indigenous Infidels.
This must stop. This suicidal policy cannot continue.

Guessing the religion of those who plant bombs, hi-jack planes, fire into crowds of civilians, take hostages and murder hostages is the world’s ultimate no-brainer. And yet our leaders, the media and many of us pretend there’s no connection between psychopathic killers and the religion which exalts the slaughter of unbelievers. Islam remains what it was at its beginning, a violent, expansionist faith that will tolerate no competitors. What other religion has the concept of jihad, the notion that if you die fighting for allah you get 72 virgins in paradise? Mohammed started by eliminating the competition, annihilating Jewish tribes in the Arabian Peninsula. More than a 1000 yrs later, it’s still business as usual for his successors. Is islam a religion of peace? Is there an Easter bunny? Can pigs fly? Calling for a war on terror is like trying to stop the bullets instead of stopping the people who are doing the shooting, decades of terror and they still dont get it. Any religious creed that promotes terrorism as a method for the conversion of infidels deserves only contempt and needs to be mocked, crushed, and expelled from the lands it has silently infiltrated. The war is, and needs to be identified without question, against islam and their numbers and attitude warrant exceptional attention…

Hugh Fitzgerald

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So-called dialogue with the Islamic world and relativism regarding marriage, the dignity of women, and sexual equality in the name of multiculturalism is destroying European identity and doing away with womens rights.

Thursday, March 08, 2007
By Samir Khalil Samir

The ideology of multiculturalism, i.e. blind tolerance toward any culture and tradition, is destroying European identity and is above all doing away with human rights and, more specifically, women’s rights. A prime example is the increasing tolerance in European countries toward polygamy.

In theory, polygamy is prohibited in Italy and in Europe. But it increasingly happens, in the name of multiculturalism, that Muslim immigrants are registered as polygamists in the European continent: if a man is Muslim and married in his country of origin with 4 wives, we cannot but accept this as a given. All this goes against European laws and constitutions – which affirm monogamous families – but, in the name of a misplaced respect for cultures, any solution is deemed acceptable.

Tolerance for polygamy?

In Italy, some constitutionalists are suggesting, for the sake of letting people have it both ways, that only one wife be recognized as such, while the others are considered concubines: this would settle the situation of various Muslims who already have a wife in their country of origin and take another in Italy. Others think that a distinction could be made between civil marriage (at City Hall, with just one wife) and religious marriage in a mosque, where polygamous marriages could be celebrated. Naturally, to do this, they are proposing that the articles of Italian civil law, which affirm monogamy and the equality of men and women, not be read. A similar trend is spreading in Greece. In certain areas where Muslims are the majority, the government has accepted the principle that they manage themselves with their own norms. And so, in Athens, polygamy is prohibited, but in Muslim-majority areas, it is allowed, again in the name of cultural respect.

Multiculturalism is doing a lot of damage. Firstly to common sense: if a man is married in Senegal with a woman and in Italy with another, this cannot be defined as monogamy. A crime remains such whether it is committed in Italy or abroad. Such tricks are actually a way to suggest loopholes for polygamy. Thus, if an Italian wants to have more than just one wife, all he needs to do is to convert to Islam!

But multiculturalism is above all damaging to the dignity of women. Polygamy in Italy is prohibited in that it is contrary to the principle of equality between men and women. It would be useful to Islam too to affirm this principle. In Islamic society, in fact, women cannot be polygamous (only men have that “right”). The same is true for repudiation, which is permitted to a man, but not to a woman who, however, can ask her husband the favour of repudiating her. Affirming monogamy is thus the way forward on the path for an overall effort in favour of women’s rights.

The Imam of Vénissieux and women

To understand the humiliation in which women live in the Islamic world, I would like to recall a fact that sparked much debate in France. Last February 20th, the courts definitively rejected an appeal made by Imam Abdelkader Bouziane. An Algerian-national, Sheikh Abdelkader, imam of the mosque of Vénissieux, near Lyon, a polygamist and father of 16 (sixteen) children (14 of which French citizens) had been living in France since 1980.

He had been ordered on February 26, 2004, to leave the country by Interior Minister Sarkozy, for his inflammatory speeches and for incitement to hatred, but the ordinance was not enforced. On April 20, following an interview in the “Lyon Mag” newspaper, he was again served an expulsion order for his statements against women, in particular for having said that “the Koran authorizes a Muslim, in certain cases, to beat his wife,” that women must subjugated themselves to their husband and were not equal to men.

On April 23rd, the administrative tribunal of Lyon suspended the expulsion ordinance and rejected the Interior Ministry’s request. The imam went back to France in May 22. On October 5, 2004, the State Council cancelled the expulsion suspension, and the next day the iman was again expelled to Orano in Algeria. On June 21, 2005, the Lyon court declared him once again free, but on October 14, he was convicted in absentia. The imam filed an appeal, but on February 6, 2007, the courts definitively rejected his case.

The “Régards de femmes” Association of Lyon, which had sued the imam, declared: “The right to dignity, to respect, to the integrity of her body belongs to every woman in France. It will not be possible from now on to legitimize violence against women on the pretence of religion.”

The Imam’s interview

here are a few extracts of the (famous) interview with Sheikh Abdelkader on the male-female relationship.

In your opinion, are women equal to men?

No. For example, women do not have the right to work alongside men, as they [women] could be tempted by adultery.

Must women necessarily be subjugated to men?

Yes, because the head of the family is always a man. But he must be fair to his wife: he must not beat her for no reason, nor consider her a slave.

Is this why you are favourable to polygamy?

Yes, a Muslim can have more than one wife. But not more than four! Plus, there are conditions.

But why can women not have more than one husband?

Because no one would know who fathered the children!

Are you in favour of the stoning [1] of women?

Yes, because beating one’s wife is allowed by the Koran, but under certain conditions, in particular if she betrays her husband. Please note however: the man does not have the right to beat her everywhere: not on the face, but in the lower parts, her legs, her stomach, her bottom. He can beat her vigorously so as to induce fear, so that she does not start again!

The Koran: wife beating is allowed

Various readers were up in arms, but in the end the imam defended himself saying that this is the Koran. And he’s right. If we open the Koran at Sura 4, verse 34, we can read:

“Men have authority over women due to the preference that Allah concedes to them over the other and because they spend their property [for women]; Good women are therefore obedient, guarding under secrecy that which Allah has preserved [sex]. [2] ; As for those on whose part you fear insubordination, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do nothing further against them; Allah is high and great.”

Last week on Al Jazeera, I heard another imam explain the four conditions for beating a wife: not on her face; without drawing blood; without breaking bones; not in the presence of children. If all this is insufficient, one must resort to extreme punishment, i.e. the man deprives his wife of sexual relations.

The Koran is also explicit on the question of the superiority of men to women; according to the Koran, Charter 2 (The Cow), Verse 228:

“Divorced women should keep themselves in waiting for three periods; and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have priority to take them back during this time if they wish for reconciliation; and they [women] have rights equivalent to their duties, on the basis of good custom, but the men are superior. Allah is Mighty, Wise.”

The Italian edition published by the Union of Islamic Communities and Organizations in Italy (UCOII) includes a long footnote (absent on the on-line version) on the phrase “but men are superior”:

“In a pitiful effort to standardize Islam to Western culture, certain modernist commentators have written that superiority has only to do with the right of men to repudiate their wife, a faculty which is not reciprocal. In reality, it is a much more important and fundamental matter for the maintaining of balance at the individual, family and social levels.

“Man and Woman are two complementary realities that exist unto each other. If this were not so, Allah (glory be to Him the Most High) would not have formed Eve from Adam’s rib, he would have furnished each gender with complete reproductive organs, etc., etc.

“The physical structure of men is capable of great exertion and significant exploits, that of women, of steady labour and great endurance of pain.

“Male sensitivity is entirely exterior, projected outside the realm of family and tends to become public and political. That of women is interior, careful of oneself, aimed at the protection of that which has been acquired and to the acquisition of simple means of sustenance and security.

“Male psychology is imaginative, creative, experimental, risk-loving, desirous of novelty, of affirming the Self, usually ample and superficial. That of women is concrete, traditional, risk-hating, desirous of certainty, of conserving what is “mine”, usually profound and limited.

“In the realm of family, the respect of the Laws of Allah and of the Sunna of the Messenger can create situations that require an affirmation of power that mortifies the complementarity of spouses. But apart from complementarity, there is the problem of leadership, in the family and in society, which does not mean predomination, oppression or the lack of recognition of female predominance in a number of sectors and circumstances. Allah (Glory be to Him, the Most High) assigns this management role to the male. It is an onerous and difficult task that men would often willingly do without, and for which he must respond before Allah.”

This apologetic comment, written by an Italian converted to Islam, mirrors the opinion of traditionalistic ulemas, avoiding their excesses. It assigns specific tasks to men and to women, tasks which are unchangeable because determined by God, which claim to correspond to the nature of one and the other. It is obvious that such a distribution of roles, established by God for eternity and valid for all times and cultures, is hardly compatible with Western mentality and is often incompatible with the laws and constitutions of Europe.

Conclusion

Is it possible to accept this teaching in the name of the respect for cultures and religious tolerance? This is the serious question faced by all Western countries.

I don’t know if the flag-wavers of multiculturalism realize how much human damage they cause. Actually, it is increasingly clear that so-called multicultural tolerance is only acquiescence to a subtle form of racism. In the name of cultural difference, in fact, everything is left to proceed on parallel tracks, without envisaging any progress, integration or betterment in the name of human dignity.

It is time for Europe to understand that religious law cannot prevail over civil law and that, above every form of tolerance, there is a country’s constitution. If this does not happen, Islam will be given carte blanche to colonize our customs.

NOTE :

1) The imam, who had lived in France for 24 years, did not understand the word “stoning”, which he understood to mean “beating”. Hence, his reply.

2) In UCOII’s translation, generally attributed to Hamza Piccardo (Imperia, 1994), the following note can be read “This is the ideal of the believing woman: ‘patient and modest.’ Says the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): “The best of women is she who rejoices at your gaze, obeys you, guards her person and the property of the husband in his absence.”

Was Muhammad a Sex Maniac?

From the Hadith:

Muslim (8:3309) – Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.

Bukhari (62:18) – Aisha’s father, Abu Bakr, wasn’t on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Muslim (8:3311) – The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad’s house (something to play with when the “prophet” was not having sex with her).

Bukhari (6:298) – Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

Muslim (8:3460) – “Why didn’t you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she could sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?” Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an “older woman” instead.

Bukhari (4:232) – Muhammad’s wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it’s a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

Bukhari (6:300) – Muhammad’s wives had to be available for the prophet’s fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.

Bukhari (62:6) – “The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.” Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally – and it isn’t hard to guess why.

Bukhari (5:268) – “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, ‘Had the Prophet the strength for it?’ Anas replied, ‘We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.’ ”

So let me summarize:

Even if we accept a 54 year old man marrying a child, raping captured (non-believing) woman what does that make him?

Even we accept the unacceptable, what do you call a guy who rapes captured women and sells them into slavery?

Even if we accapt all that, what do you call a guy who has sex with 14 women in one night?

Did Muhammad, profit of Islam, drink wine? Yes he did!

Here’s more:

The Sex Life of the Prophet

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Some of many jihad verses:

Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you , though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

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Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

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Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

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Bukhari:V4B52N44 “A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.’ He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.’”

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Bukhari:V1B2N25 “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah’s Cause.’”

Arguing, debating with Muslims:

They will say:

1. He’s taking verses out of context
2. He’s an Islamophobe/racist/bigot
3. He doesn’t know Arabic, and you can’t understand the Qur’an unless it’s in Arabic
4. He’s not an expert on Islam/he has no credentials
5. The Qur’an, the mind of Muhammad, and Islam in general are too complex and mysterious for infidels to understand
6. What about the Crusades (and other violent Christian actions of the past)?
7. What about the violent verses in the Bible?
8. Those Muslims are not “real” Muslims
9. Only Muslims can address the tough topics
10. He’s lying
11. If you prove him wrong from Qur’an and Hadith, you just get ridiculed
12. He has been refuted hundreds of times, and thoroughly discredited

Muslims are hopeless. They can’t debate because Islam doesn’t make sense. They are victims of a senseless indoctrination program that devours them and their perceived enemies. More

Is Islam a Religion of Peace? Not!

The day after 9/11, President George W. Bush made the absurd statement that Islam is a religion of peace.  Ponder the findings of a monumental study of the Islamic Trilogy, the Quran, the Hadith, and the Sira published in 2007.  The study was made by Bill Warner, director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam:

  1. Of more than 153,000 words in the Koran, only 4,018 or 2.6 percent seem to express goodness to humanity, qualified, however, by obedience to Muhammad.
  2. The words of Allah are only about 17 percent of the Islamic Trilogy, but the words and actions of Muhammad comprise 83 percent of the Trilogy.
  3. About 20 percent of the most authoritative school of the Hadith is about jihad.
  4. At least 75 percent of the Sira is about jihad.
  5. There are 146 references to hell in the Quran, only 6 percent of which concern moral failings such as murder and theft.  The other 94 percent of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Muhammad, a political crime.

Warner concludes:  there is no benevolence toward good nonbelievers in Islam. Moreover, and, contrary to what Obama said in Cairo, there is no golden rule in Islam that restricts what Muslims may do to non-Muslims. This places a big question on Islamic monotheism

Open Season on British Women (The Opinionator)
Now that Europe has imported a 7th century values system and given it top priority, the continent’s women will need to remember to cover up.

Debating Islam (Answering Muslims)
A four-part video series of a debate between David Wood and Sami Zaatari. The subject is “Is Islam a Religion of Peace?” (As usual, Sami’s job is to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with what is done in the name of Islam each and everyday).

Poll: Muslim Support for Terrorism Declines (Pew Research)
Muslims are less likely to support terrorism when THEY are the targets of such attacks. Thanks to recent al-Qaeda sprees in Islamic countries, bin Laden is barely pulling 50% approval ratings. Religion of Peace, indeed!

Child Rape and the Religion of Peace (CNN)
(Video) Parents express shock that their child is raped afterbeing “married off,” but then tell the girl that she belongs to her husband.

Sex in the Islamic City (FrontPage Magazine)
An ex-Muslim explains why Muhammad’s religion has been so successful in motivating young Muslim men to become “martyrs.”

We are Losing Europe to Islam (TownHall.com)
As a side note – If Europe goes Muslim, then where will the Muslims who have “fled” there have to flee next?

Our “Ally” Islamabad (The Australian)
One of America’s best buddies is in the process of becoming the world’s first nuclear-armed Sharia state.

Jihad for Love (FrontPage Magazine)
A new film exposes the very real persecution of homosexuals under Islam that goes far beyond mere disapproval.

‘She Doesn’t Want to be Called an Uncircumcised Girl’ (LiveLeak)
Video of female genital mutilation. Seriously, does this look natural?

Britain Adopts Sharia (Chronicles Magazine)
A must-read piece from Srdja Trifkovic.

When Someone Says You Shouldn’t Watch Something. . . (JSOnline)
. . . react accordingly. In this case, the film in question is the excellent documentary, Obsession: Radical Islam’s War against the West.

The al-Aqsa Myth (Europe News)
Just one more example of Islam’s attempt to borrow legitimacy from someone else’s religion.

(Joke) India vs. Pakistan at the UN (The Kashmir)
A bit of inside humor regarding the “disputed” region to which Pakistan lays claim.

Female Genital Mutilation in Eritrea (BBC)
Muslims in some parts of the world are beginning to realize that Allah wouldn’t have made the clitoris in the first place if he meant for it to be cut off. Women elsewhere. . . not so lucky.

Jordan’s Outreach to Hamas (JCPA)
The bonds of Islam are simply too strong to let a little thing like terrorism spoil relationships.

Gave Peace a Chance (Jerusalem Post)
A Peace Now activist in Israel reluctantly admits that his country has no peace partner in the Middle East.

No Longer One Law for All (Spectator)
“Sharia law is not compatible with English law or the principles of equality and human rights that it embodies.”

Fear and Fiction (FrontPage Magazine)
The story behind the story that was deemed too hot to handle.

Losing My Religion – Continued (Islam Watch)
The second piece to the story of a Muslim who decided that believing for the sake of believing wasn’t making much sense anymore.

From Magna Carta to Sharia: Britain’s Decline (Brussels Journal)
Labour has worked hard to give the cancer a foothold.

Islam and the Barbary Pirates (Islam in Action)
How did the Tripoli ambassador justifiy the plundering of ships and the enslaving of innocent people to Thomas Jefferson? Let’s just say the man knew his Qur’an.

Fleeing Malaysia (Islamist Monitor)
Only a few short years ago, the young country of Malaysia was held up as proof that a Muslim majority didn’t necessarily mean discrimination against other religions. Wonder what it means now?

Street Warfare in Denmark (The Opinionator)
More Islam – less peace.

Wildcatting for Allah (Max Flack)
Somalis in Colorado demand special privileges for themselves, but how do they treat other religions back home?

Islam at Face Value (Europe News)
A lot of insight into Islam can be gained from the first few verses of the Qur’an. Unfortunately, little of it is good.

The Hatred within Britain (The Telegraph)
These investigators were shocked to find that hatred exists within British mosques. Other than that, there’s nothing humorous in this article.

Honor Killings in Islam (FSM)
“What kind of an ideology causes a man to show no remorse for murdering his own daughter, but then rant and rave at being served ham sandwiches while in prison?”

Fighting for the Right to Incite Murder (Pajamas Media)
The Muslim Student Union is fighting hard to keep hate alive.

The Islamic Suicide Bomber

Dead Mumbai Headbanger
“Sharia Is Hate”

By Supna Zaidi
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, October 06, 2008

Imagine Dodger Stadium full of loud and whooping fans cheering on, not baseball, but your weekly stoning and flogging of adulterers, thieves and other errant citizens of southern California.

This is America under Islamic law, or Shari’a, a system that everyone should fear. Or so, Alan Kornman, director of the United American Committee (UAC) thinks. He continues to fundraise for a freeway billboard in Florida stating, “Shari’a Is Hate,” to educate America before it’s too late.

As Kornman argues, “under Shari’a law if you are accused of stealing, a hand and foot from opposite sides are amputated. If you are caught having an affair, the woman is stoned to death and the man is given 80 lashes. If you change religions, you can be charged under apostasy laws and given the death sentence by a legal Sharia court.”

The implementation of Shari’a is much more subtle than the quotation from Kornman suggests, however.

Through Shari’a, Islamists govern the private lives of individuals as well as regulate the social, political, and economic aspects of society. Islamism crosses national borders, with the final goal of asserting the Muslim ummah globally, with all non-Muslims as second class citizens. It is a totalitarian ideology, and Islamists do want to make Europe and the US Islamist states.

Don’t wait for floggings in your local neighborhood. Consider the following incidences:

1. Muslim cab drivers in Minneapolis refusing fares where would-be passengers are carrying alcohol because it is a sin to drink in Islam:

This first example exemplifies the lack of tolerance Islamists have for non-Muslims. It is one thing to believe drinking is a sin; it’s quite another to enforce your opinion on others. Muslims aren’t alone in this belief. Consider Mormons, who don’t drink coffee because of the caffeine. The problem is the belief that you have the right to impose your opinion on people of a different faith, or no faith at all.

The Metropolitan Airport Commission (MAC), possibly fearing charges of discrimination, tried to compromise and approached Kahlid Elmasry of the Muslim American Society, who sided with the cabbies: “it is expressly stated transportation of alcohol for Muslims is against the Islamic faith, and therefore forbidden.”

But this is not an Islamic country. The Constitution governs us, not Shari’a. Therefore, Elmasry’s defense of the cabbies’ position reinforced their notion that Islamic law trumps American secular law.  In a later lawsuit, the cabbies lost and intend to appeal.

2. Niqabi fails to reveal face for ID purposes.

The second example concerns Muslim women and modesty. While there is no specific definition of what modesty entails in the Quran, Islamists increasingly demand the niqab, which covers a woman’s body, hair, and her face. Islamists refuse to concede that the niqab is not a requirement of Islam, but greatly debated among Muslims. Yet, when Americans raise security concerns, Islamists call them racist.

Consider, Sultana Freeman, a niqabi in Florida. She refused to remove her veil for picture identification purposes at the DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) citing modesty. In reality, she mocks any reasonable person’s definition of modesty since ID pictures have nothing to do with attraction and sexuality, completely ignoring Florida’s right to identify its citizenry for the sake of public safety.  Such blind adherence to Shari’a rather than the laws of the state exemplifies the disdain Islamists have for non-Muslims wherever they may live as well as common sense.

3. Polygamy in America

United States are obligated to perform their duties within the limits of American secular law. Yet, some Imams, like Siraj Wahhaj, prefer to ignore American law where it conflicts with Islamic law. Wahhaj stated in Paul Barrett’s 2007 book American Islam* that, “If a man can have a hundred girlfriends, and it’s legal, I don’t say you can’t have more than one wife.”

Rather than explain what is wrong with men having multiple relationships, Wahhaj greenlights it under the guise of polygamy despite American law against it. This is because he only sees relationships from a usurious male perspective when he should be teaching men to see women as equals and partners. Moreover, he ignores a woman’s perspective entirely. Subsequent wives have no legal rights. Family problems, domestic abuse, combined with economic dependency, forces women to remain silent when issues arise.

Wahhaj also ignores the criminal fraud behind polygamy as well. The UKCanada, like theUS, face welfare fraud every time polygamous marriages are made. Subsequent wives live in a marital household, yet can file for welfare as single women because they failure to register the marriage. The failure to register is not an accident. Polygamous couples know that if they file they will be arrested for violating local bigamy laws. Second, these couples realize the financial advantages given current welfare policy. Such fraud is occurring in the thousands and is a burden to all taxpayers.

It is time for policymakers to realize that Sharia is a system of hate and must not gain any influence in American society. It denigrates women, non-Muslims and the US Constitution. Policymakers must define the limits of religious accommodation in light of the Islamist agenda. Otherwise, democracy and true tolerance will be mere words with no meaning as Islamism spreads in the West.  The UAC billboard is a good start in bringing the danger of Sharia to the nation’s attention.

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Greetings from sheik yer’mami!

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SM June 7, 2010 at 1:59 pm

Saltie Croc
YHWH is not jewish.
Allah is from Ellah (aramaic).
There was a moongod-cult who worshiped a Allah (name).
Islam has a moon-sign.
The names in the quran are just titles.
quran is more contaminated than tenach,
tenach was more contaminated than New Testament.
You need YHWH Ruach to understand scriptures.
All world religions are just organized systems.
Real Theocracy will occur in the Millennium-reign of
Yehoshuwa ha Moshiach.

John Miller June 8, 2010 at 2:38 am

Beware the words of a wolf dressed in sheikh’s clothing
Paul Sheehan
Sydney Morning Herald
June 7, 2010

On the steps of Sydney Town Hall in the wet dusk of last Tuesday, the former mufti of Australia, Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly, raised his arms and asked for silence as the crowd chanted anti-Israel slogans and waved the flags of Turkey, Lebanon, Palestine and the Socialist Alliance.

”Israel is a terrorist state. Yes?”

The crowd cheered. A series of chants drowned out his next sentence, which ended with the words, ”a clear message to the Israeli government.”

”Listen!” cried Hilaly, and the crowd grew silent.

He then lifted a Turkish flag and said, ”Turkey is coming!”

More Cheers. A section of the crowd, young men, broke into a chant of ”Allahu akbar!”
Hilaly continued: ”Turkey is coming. And Iran is ready!”

This was greeted with more cheers.

Iran is ready? For what? If you were to ask Hilaly, his record suggests you would receive disingenuous piffle of the type he has been offering for years whenever questioned about his war-mongering, especially the comments he has made in Arabic when he thought he would not be scrutinised in the wider society.

For this you can thank Paul Keating and his government and the NSW Labor machine, for overriding the advice of the Australian intelligence community that Hilaly be deported. He was too useful to Labor.

Hilaly’s latest message is clear. Turkey has turned against Israel. And Iran is ready, through its military and its foreign proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah, to wage war against Israel. It has sent thousands of rockets to Lebanon and tried to do the same in Gaza, and is prepared to confront and destroy the Zionist entity, with Hilaly and his followers cheering them on.

Sharing the stage outside the Town Hall was Paul McAleer, the Sydney branch secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia. He chose his words carefully: ”This flotilla [confronting Israel's military blockade of Gaza] was hijacked by state-sanctioned murderers, who carry out their orders with deadly precision.”
State-sanctioned murderers who act with deadly precision. Sounds like Nazis.

The irony in McAleer’s comments was elements of the union now known as the MUA functioned for decades as a criminal organisation, practising system-wide blackmail, extortion, intimidation, pilfering and featherbedding on the wharves. During World War II, the wharfies’ union, controlled by the communists, undermined Australia’s war effort. After the war, when dock operators began to introduce mechanisation on the wharves, union leaders pushed forklift trucks into the harbour.

When the Howard government and Chris Corrigan broke the MUA’s stronghold on the ports 12 years ago, the union again used violence and intimidation. After the MUA lost the strike, the ports doubled their productivity. This is the moral authority on which the MUA stands.

Next on the Town Hall steps was a Greens NSW MP, Lee Rhiannon. She condemned Israel’s ”crime against humanity”. Rhiannon is the embodiment of the common cause the hard left has made with the hard right of Islamic militancy. It is an interesting alliance. After the first modern Islamic revolution, in Iran, the new regime wiped out the communists, whose activists on university campuses had helped bring down the shah. Within its first two years, the Islamic regime had executed thousands of communists, student leaders and feminists. Despite this warning, the hard left and Islamic militancy continue to find common cause because of a shared and defining antipathy to Western capitalism and Zionism.

Where does the Australian Human Rights Commission stand on matters such as calls to religious war made in Australia? It has nothing to say. It prefers softer targets. Earlier on the day of the Town Hall demonstration, the Race Discrimination Commissioner, Graeme Innes, told the Herald he thought it was time for racial profiling of crimes. Not racial profiling of perpetrators, of course, just victims. ”Racial profiling perpetrators is little more than a guess which often reinforces incorrect stereotypes,” he said.

This is typical of the patronising hypocrisy permeating the human rights industry. Since when did identifying the ethnicity of people convicted of a crime ever involve guesswork? And if racial stereotypes are unfair, then racial profiling of both crime victims and perpetrators would exculpate any stereotyped group. If, however, racial profiling confirmed an ethnic group was disproportionately involved in crime, then it would not be an ”incorrect stereotype” but a truth.

Yet even the selective suggestion by the Race Discrimination Commissioner was too much for the president of the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board, Stepan Kerkyasharian, an inveterate ideologue on matters of presumed prejudice. In a letter to the Herald, Kerkyasharian wrote having police asking victims about their ethnic origin was ”dangerous”.

Why? ”Publicity about the ethnicity of a victim,” he wrote, ”when there is no suggestion of a racial motive, could lead to copy-cat attacks.” This is an argument made out of thin air. It is predicated entirely on the notion Australian society is seething with prejudice and in no way should crime and ethnicity be a subject fit for public consumption or transparency.

This is the bedrock belief of the human rights industry. Society is prejudiced and needs the civilising buffer of a large human rights machinery, and a human rights charter, policed and interpreted by the human rights industry, all funded by the taxpayer.

Just don’t ask too much about the most basic human right – freedom from violence. Don’t ask about who is populating our prisons, our criminal justice systems and the organisations on the published watch lists of ASIO. Because we can’t handle that sort of truth.

Saltie Croc June 9, 2010 at 2:59 am

1) YHWH is not Jewish.————-You have problem with Jewish
encyclopedia?
2)Allah is from Ellah (aramaic).—-Arabic and Aramaic are related
languages
2)There was a moongod-cult who —It was the pagan and idolators’s
worshiped a Allah (name). cult demolished by Islam.Pagans
were Arabs and called God
Allah.You simply refused to
understand ,do you?
3)Islam has a moon-sign.————- The crescent and star was the
coat of arms of Ottoman
Empire.Islam has no symbol

4)The names in the quran are just titles.– -God’s 99 names are
His attributes

5)quran is more contaminated than tenach,— PROVE IT.
tenach was more contaminated than
New Testament.

6)You need YHWH Ruach to understand
Scriptures ——————————– WOW! You need
God’s ruach (soul )
to understand
scriptures? Only
rabbis have this
soul? No wonder
gentiles are flocking
to Islam for Islam
is not an exclusive
religion.Islam make
it simple to
understand and
follow God’s
commands
7) All world religions are just organized
systems- ———– What are you trying to
say?
8) R eal Theocracy will occur in ———–Still waiting for the Messiah?
the Millennium-reign of you rejected Jesus (pbuh )
Yehoshuwa ha Moshiach. and
Muhammad
(pbuh) because
they did not meet
your man-made
criteria.

kaw June 9, 2010 at 4:36 am

Yes Saltie Croc, and you speak for G_d ???????!!!!! I THINK NOT!!!! Folks, why are mohammedans such purile moronic wankers. Try your idiotic preaching elsewhere you muslim fuckwit, And remember, you threaten any one here, and you are gone. I am sure mohammed the rapist has a used camel waiting for you.

kaw June 9, 2010 at 4:45 am

Satay Croc,
Piss off you muslim fuckwit! I doubt very much that G_d would be upset if I thought he had a son – actually he doesn’t but you do not understand the concept of the trinity. Satay, you are a wonderful example of how stupid mohammedans are. I suspect that you are the end product of countless muslim “men” raping their sisters – in the muslim world the genetic pool is rather limited. Folks, here we have a dumb stupid muslim jerk who is so dumb that he believes he actually understands who G_D is and how he thinks. No Satay, you are a dumb muslim shit, with little understanding of anything except how to hurt the weak. NOW GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY.

SM June 10, 2010 at 6:04 am

1 YHWH is not jewish for the Godsname. (hebrew is different)
the jewish encyclopedia is just describing it.
2 aramaic and arabic are related and allah comes from ellah.
2 mooncult is still here under the denominator of animism.
3 many islamic countries have crescent and star in their flags.
4 same mistake as in christianity; attributes are not names.
5 “this is a perfect book” (quran) muhammed describes trinity
wrong unknowing or willingly. there are no perfect books!
6 without the Spirit of YHWH you will remain carnal in your
spirit/soul and mind; islam tries to reform the exterior human,
real religion in YHWH changes the interior human.
Only by spiritual rebirth and the renewing in the YHWH Ruach
and the gifts one can understand the scriptures.
Rabbi’s are not the suited ones; they follow Judaism.
islam is just an excuse to remain carnal.
without real faith you can’t please YHWH.
There is only one Qahal YHWH and YHWH knows who will
be in it, not by decision of humans.
7 it is just human work with a religious covering.
8 Isa and Jesus as presented by islam and christianity are
limitations of the manifestation of HWH as Yehoshuwa ha Moschiach.
+Also; “the God” doesn’t mean a thing; many people have “the God”
instead of YHWH. whatever that may be.
+To say that God can not have a son is God limitation.
if he CAN’T, than he is not YHWH El Shaddai.

Saltie Crocodile in Queensland June 11, 2010 at 2:11 am

Greetings SM,
Yours is a better discourse than the one by Kaw.His is a rambling and ranting.So, Qahal YWHW relates to the creed of the second temple and it was expounded by Ozair upon your return from exile in Babylon.
ok you have your stand.
sorry if I seem to be offensive; can we extent the concept of not limitating God’s power of having a son to Him having ascendants and descendants as well.What I mean is of having Grandfathers and grandsons? Sceintists discovered man (real man not apelike creatures )
to have existed 3 million years ago so God’s lineage must be very very long then!and Kaw, cool down please I am asking a relevant question here.
And the stars and stripes appear on US flag.Stars on Aussie flag too.Are they Muslim countries.?

SM June 11, 2010 at 10:59 pm

Greetings Saltie Croc,

Qahal YHWH goes further than the second temple creed.

All human relations are by divine design,
earthy father-son relation is a poor reflection of a bigger thing.
YHWH is the creator of humans thus it is easy to do all human things for Him but it does not mean that he will do all human things, YHWH can lie, change, vary But He won’t. YHWH was not created has no father or mother.

That scientists discover very old proof of human existence id due to
the scientific reality which differs from the hidden Truth.
Solomon stated already that no man can discover the work of the hand of God; that’s why there are so many versions about the earth’s history.

About stars and stripes and crosses on flags you are right.
there are only a few “political correct flags” in the world; the ones from
chad, guinea, mali and romania; to have stars, sun, moon, animals,
code of arms, objects black/white etcetera on flags would be incorrect.
YHWH Nissi (Yahweh my Banner).

kaw June 16, 2010 at 9:43 pm

SC
I didn’t intend a discourse – you are not worth the effort. I find this entire line of discussion rather trite and amusing. You appear not to understand what evolution actually means, you appear not to understand that the concept of a God is a human concept – perhaps it is an indication of higher intelligence? Did you know that the difference in DNA sequencing between “apes” and “man” is only a few percent? Humans appears to have evolved to their current state 500.000 years ago, they didn’t just appear (not three million years ago – yes our ancestors existed 3 million years ago but they were not Homo Sapiens – our species). The reason there are so many different ideas about Earths history is that not many possess the skill, expertise and training, and funding to dig up and properly understand the geological past. It is a question of time scales, and the time scale of human conscience is but a fraction of geological time. So we are learning to deduce and to understand but science does this in a rigorous formal way (which is also open to interpretation because we still know very little) that you do not seem to understand. If you do not have these resources you seek an explanation elsewhere – there is a very very high probability you will be wrong but you will be comfortable. Humans frame their religion within what they do not understand and you seem to be a classic example of this. But within this framework both science and religion can co-exist though religion will not be what you seem to believe – religion is again a human concept and as our species evolves so to will our concept of G_d. You can ascribe any powers that you wish to your god, he/she/it is after all just a creation of your imagination and desire to understand what you cannot understand or control. Interestingly the concept of G_d having descendents appears to damaged by the definition of what a god is by your apparent definitions – there is a logical contradiction. You are welcome to believe what you wish, but it is YOUR belief and it is not a global truth. You and SM may not understand how much time and effort is required to really understand something – I do not wish to be offensive in this instance but you and SM have both chosen the easy way that leads to no real understanding but perhaps one must err on the side of pragmatism in order to retain sanity – the problem you are both trying to categorize has too many degrees of freedom (I suspect that you both do not understand this but apologize if you do). But again, that is my interpretation only – the question of G_d is open-ended – there is by definition an infinite number of possibilities. By way of explanation for my earlier hostility – SC you appear to be a muslim trying to shove islam down our throats – if that it so then be warned. I have seen the mess that you people have made in Europe, and I will not tolerate it in Oz. And if that means you have to be removed to protect my country, then you will be. You are welcome to believe in the bleatings of an illiterate child molester and rapist from 630 AD, but you do not coerce another into the pit that you seem to have climbed in.

Saltie Croc June 17, 2010 at 1:54 am

Kaw,
Thank you for the semi discourse.To cut short are you saying it is that difficult to understand who God is?

We Muslims understand fully the difficulty of knowing God and thankfully we are guided by the Quran (God’s words ) Ahadith (Prophet’s sayings and deeds as reported by people around him pbuh ) and other secondary sources.In fact we are also warned not to dwell too much on His Essence for it is a very difficult topic beyond man’s
understanding.

Without those references we will be grappling with the infinite possibilities and probabilities you mentioned It is due to His Mercy that He who Creates the Heavens and Earths and 52 billion galaxies let
us (Muslims ) have the Books–Torah,Zabur,Inji land Quran and further guided by Musa,Isa and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all )
respectively.

Please be informed that in no way I am trying to shove Islam into anybody’ s throats.We do not need to and do not want to.What we want is the opportunity to let our stand be known.We THANK you
and Sheikh for that.

kaw June 17, 2010 at 6:56 am

SC,
Unfortunately many subtle aspects of what I wrote have eluded you – and you have completely missed the main point – no surprise there. This is why argument with people like you is rather frustrating – the argument has to be brought down to the simplest level before muslims like you even have a change of understanding. To cut (it) short, your first paragraph illustrates clearly that you have not understood a word of my previous email.

Your stand was already known, through the numerous murders and violent crimes that have been perpetrated by your violent and brain dead co-religionists.
Your last email illustrates the narrow confines of your intellect – and the best person to demonstrate this is you – THANK YOU so much for showing the readers how limited your reasoning is. Be warned again – you force the ideals of a long dead arab rapist, child molester and murderer down our throats and you will be removed from this country. You are not, nor will you ever be, an Australian. You are an invader, and you are at present being only barely tolerated. Now lets see if we get a day free from a report of another misguided muslim murdering some non-muslim person!!

SM June 17, 2010 at 10:30 pm

Kaw,
There is a difference between spiritual truth, scientific reality and
the daily existence.
the first demands faith, revelation and guidance,
the second hard work, study and time,
the third awareness, caution and activity.
all the comments are in general so you are right that one can’t
categorize in short summaries with too many variables.
If you don’t have faith you will conclude that God is a human concept
and interpretation and an open-ended question, unless… one has the
REAL experience, the indwelling of YHWH Ruach, the charismas and
the ability to divide the word properly and convey it correctly.
one can’t expect that from the ordinary religionists.

Saltie Croc June 17, 2010 at 11:39 pm

SM,
We Muslims have the Sufis who emphasize search for spiritual truth.The Ruh .The search to know who God is (ma’rifat ).HIS 99 attributes are guidance towards Divine truth on His Essence and Existence which the Sufis share with scientists and ordinary religionists.These are the people with experience but they do not monopolise that experience and knowledge.Many of them are also scientists.

We have the scientists dealing with scientific realities hence, the discovery of a little of God’s immense creations.These discoveries fortify their beliefs in God and the scientists share their knowledge with others the ordinary religionists .Many of them are also sufis.

As for daily existence, such as having families, working for living running the country, carrying out social responsibilities ; are carried out by all, the Sufis, the scientists, the imams, and the ordinary religionists.

I am not driving all these into anyone’s throat and I am not saying these
are better than what you believed You and your beliefs and me with my belief.Simple!

SM June 20, 2010 at 1:36 am

SC,
It seems i get inbetween scientific and religious interpretations.
What i talked about is more dimensional; most people are most
of the time existing, others are more realistically existing and
others are living the truth, of course there are mixtures as you
pointed out.
Still what many people consider to be “spiritual” is a mix of theosophy,
philosophy and religious tradition.
What i talk about is; Faith in YHWH through Yeshuwa by the in-
dwelling of the Ruach with the working of the charismas and its
guidance which confirms the real experiences in word,spirit and truth.
As stated before everyone is free to believe what he/she wants,
it wont matter; the anti-christ will do away with All religions and put
his cult instead of all creeds.
Only YHWH in form of Yehoshuwa Ha Mosiach will destroy it and
institute real divine reign on earth during one thousand years.

Saltie Crocodile in Queensland June 20, 2010 at 5:05 am

SM,
Yehoshuwa Ha Mosiach ,is he Jesus?
and who are the anti Christ?
What happen after the 1000 years reign of Yehoshuwa?

SM June 20, 2010 at 3:29 pm

SC
YHM (hebrew) is refered to as Jesus in english,
still the biblical jesus and quranical isa limit the
real YHWH manifestation because of human
restrictional interpretation.
anti-christ is the personification of satan in a human being
who will be the sole world dictator.
After 1000 years reign the non-believers will rebel (under
satan’s influence) again, which will result in the final war
and the total annihilation of all the unbelievers and the end
of heaven and earth and the creation of the new heaven and
the new earth.

Saltie Crocodile in Queensland June 21, 2010 at 1:49 am

Thank You
But” the creation of the new heaven and
the new earth.” is it in the Old or New Testaments

SM June 21, 2010 at 2:31 am

You’re welcome.
The creation of new heaven and the new earth is in both Testaments:
Yesyeyahoo (Isaiah) 65:17 and Apokalupsis (Revelation) 21:1-5.

Saltie Croc June 22, 2010 at 11:50 pm

Greetings SM,

Surah Ibrahim (14:48 )
[It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah , the One, the Prevailing.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And mention, the day when the earth will be changed to other than the earth and the heavens, namely, the Day of Resurrection: mankind shall be gathered onto a white clear earth, as [reported] in the hadīth of the two Shaykhs [al-Bukhārī and Muslim]. Muslim relates the following hadīth: ‘The Prophet (s) was asked, “Where will people be on that day?” He said, “On the Bridge (sirāt)” ’; and they shall come forth, they shall exit from [their] graves, to God, the One, the Almighty.

SM June 23, 2010 at 8:08 pm

Greetings SC,
In the biblical eschatology the Day of Resurrection for the believers is sooner (before the Millenium ) than the one for the unbelievers, which is before the New Earth/New heaven, after the last war.
(The war before the 1000 years reign is not the last one).

Saltie Crocodile in Queensland June 24, 2010 at 2:16 am

SM
Isiah 65:18 ( King James Version )
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create (JERUSALEM ) a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Quran Yunus (10:25 ) And Allah invites to the Home of Peace (DARUSALEM ) and guides whom He wills to a straight path

JERUSALEM (Hellinistic version ) = PARADISE
DARUSALEM (Semitic version )=PARADISE

kaw June 24, 2010 at 5:34 am

As one can see, mohammed was not particularly original when it wrote the quran. In my school it would have be suspended for plagiarism. History is filled with soothsayers and predictors of doom so much of what is above can be found in other cultures and different religions . It is part of the human condition, a leverage of imagination and fantasy to create a sustaining belief – called faith.

John June 24, 2010 at 2:33 pm

Entire goodness belongs to THE MASTER of everything, BESIDES WHOM everything will perish

@haters of islam

there is definitely something wrong(per the haters) with the followers of ISLAMIC ideology, let’s see…

they don’t allow porn/prosteetution

they don’t allow alcohol

they don’t allow drugs

they don’t suffer with AIDS(HIV)

they don’t allow gambling

they don’t allow charging interest(oppressing the weak of the society)

they don’t throw their parents in the old houses rather treat them respectfully and honorably when parents are old.

they don’t agree with freedoomist ideology of viewing women as sex and commercial objects, but want to view them as a sister, daughter, wife and mother

their men and women don’t run (with water dripping mouths) after britney spears, or brad pitt

and above all they don’t agree to worship the ‘rhetoric,’ the ‘top elite’ or ‘whatever is accepted publicly’ but

rather worship ‘THE ONE WHO IS THE ACTUAL MASTER OF EVERYTHING and THE REAL LAW GIVER’

they have negligible crime rates

they have less divorces

they have family system

their worship places are filled by all colors and a black muslim can be found addressing and leading a gathering of white muslims or a chinese muslim doing same in a gathering of indian muslims

they are about several millions in the west, and rarely they are found involved in the crimes for cases as ‘rape,’ ‘robbery’ ‘theft’ ‘bribery’

they have no such thing as wife or husband cheating on each other….

so yea…. something(per the haters) wrong…

however with freedoomism… nothing (per the haters) wrong!!!!

they have freedoom of keeling in millions(hirrrooshima, nagasaaki, ww1, ww2, koreeea, veitnaam, irak, afg, congo.. n on n on n on..)

they have freedoom of starting the nuclear arms race around the world (to keell soljers…. noooo…. freedoom to keell civiliaans)

they have freedoom of getting women raped every 2 mins.

they have freedoom of old houses filled with poor old parents, who have no place in the house of their children.

they have freedoom of drunk driving and dieing.

they have freedoom of catching AIDS and other STDs

they have freedoom of respecting women by allowing them to spend temporary time with them and then leaving them as single moms.

they have freedoom of using their money on a noble cause as gambling and not using it in some bad cause(such as helping a poor out)

they have freedoom of doing billion dollars robbery (worldcom, enron, madoff) and leaving millions jobless and suffering

they have freedoom of charging interest thru mortgages, and if the head of the family is struck with a calamity… the freedoom of throwing whole family on the street (what a brotherly freedoom)

they have freedoom of honoring women thru porn and prooosteeetution.

their celebrities even have the freedoom of taking drugs and no this freedoom doesn’t ruin anyone lives

and heck ….

… their men have freedoom of discussing, how b.spears or maddona looks, what do they eat, what do they like dislike, which tooth they had removed, which ear of theirs is infested with wax, and how many hairs they have on each eyebrow …. and yea…. how can we spend thousands in buying their spitted chewing gum on ebayyy…

and at the bottom of all of this … the freedoom of bowing and kneeling to the ‘top elite’ ‘rhetoric’ ‘public opinion’ in reality the ‘creation’ rather than THE ‘ONE WHO CREATED them’

so yea … nothing(per the haters) wrong….

SM June 24, 2010 at 8:05 pm

SC
Jerusalem hellinistic version? in the koine greek it would be Hierousalem, Ierusalem is latin.
eIrenepolis would be Jerusalem translated in greek, meaning
City (of) Peace, the original Yerushalayim is semitic (hebrew) too.
Darusalem means house of peace.
Both are not paradise, that’s too allegorical.
Gan eden/paradeisos are not referred to in both texts.
the first one refers specifically to Jerusalem during the Millennium.
the second one is in general (too common).
The Isaiah text does not sound like a prediction of doom at all,
it points to the future of the city during the 1000 year reign,
it is not a fantasy or imagination, it is a prophecy.
Without Faith one can’t believe it and will regard it as a human saying.
You believe it or you don’t. your choice.

Saltie Crocodile in Queensland June 25, 2010 at 12:59 am

SM/Kaw,

Jerusalem is Latin version adopted by King James Bible, hence the use of “J” in Jerusalem, Jesus ,Jehovah etc.If the translators stick to the original version or try to stick to original version( after all it is supposed to be an original holy Book ) then the “y” should be retained.Translating not in accordance to the original is also plagiarism. Adhering, praying and practicing to messages not in
its original form and substance is not only plagiarism but hypocrisy.

I will not want to go into it but I can prove that the Quran does not copy.Messages on the sciences and accurate evidence of creation of Heavens and Earths are in abundance .Quran, unlike the Bible has no problem with scientific explainations and it is able to counter atheists
stand on nature’s self creation. Quoting Prophet Solomon’s “message”
that it is impossible to know God’s creations and some saying that science is just estimation are excuses that does not hold currency in the light of today’s level of scientific knowledge.

Darusalem is” House of Peace’.Peace and harmony prevail amongst dwellers of the “earth” and the ‘house ” in the hereafter in an “abode” called paradise.Eden and Firdause are among the many “paradises” God created for believers to each according to their levels of beliefs and deeds.Similarly there are many types of hell, to suit the many types of misdeeds, including contaminating and changing the original contents of God’s messages in Taurat ( old testament ), Injil( New testament ) and Quran(Final testament ).

However, “You and your religion’ and’ I and my religion”.There is only
one truth.
Quran :Sajadah :25 )
Indeed your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ (in matters of beliefs in religion )

Saltie Crocodile in Queensland June 25, 2010 at 10:37 am

Greetings SM,

BAPTISM
The word ‘Baptism’ comes from the Greek ‘Baptein’ which means ‘to plunge, to immerse, or to wash.’ It was an ancient custom to wash or to make ablution. Islam has preserved this tradition in the form of ablution and ritual Ghusl for the purpose of purification purpose. Allah mentions in the Qur’an that He made water a source for purification. Allah Almighty says: “And He it is Who sendeth the winds, glad tidings heralding His mercy, and We send down purifying water from the sky.” (Al-Furqan: 48)

Like all other Prophets of Allah, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, also washed himself to purify himself. During his time Yahya (John, the Baptist) used to call people to repent and purify themselves in the River Jordan. It is mentioned that Jesus also went to him and took a bath of purification (Mark 1:9-11).

After that Allah appointed Jesus as His Prophet and Messenger and he began preaching Allah’s Message. Jesus was a servant of Allah. He used to pray and for his prayers he must be purifying himself.

Jews in his time also used to do a lot of ritual washings. The Old Testament speaks a lot about the use of water for the purpose of purification. (See Numbers 19:1-22; Leviticus 14-15-16:24-28)

After Jesus left this world, Paul became a leader of some Christians. It was he who gave a new interpretation of Jesus’ Baptism. He told them that when a person takes a Baptism in water, actually he immerses himself in Jesus’ blood and dies with him and then he is resurrected like Jesus into a new person. (See Romans 6:3-4).

Paul gave a new definition of Baptism. For him it was something to do with Original Sin and then the alleged death and resurrection of Jesus. (See Colossians 2:12)

For Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, and his followers the Baptism was just a bath or ablution to purify themselves physically, ritually and spiritually, but with Pauline interpretation it became a symbol of belief in Jesus’ so-called death and resurrection.

We, as Muslims, accept the early tradition and that is what Islam has preserved and reaffirmed. We do not accept the later interpretation and doctrinal aberrations.”

SM June 25, 2010 at 7:04 pm

SC,
Ierusalem is latin=Jerusalem in several other western languages.
The word of YHWH stands in any language, nobody has to worry
about the original hebrew, aramaic and greek.
Smith Wigglesworth was an english christian who could bearly express
himself in english, but had a better understanding of scriptures than
the learned scholars of his day.
Don’t try to explain all science by scriptures, it can’t be done.
Science is to changeable anyway.
no one (in this life) will know or understand the REAL scientific truth.
nor will non-believers find out in the after-life.
You can divert what you want; paradise was not mentioned in the two texts quoted. the first text is a prophecy the second one is a general statement.
Tenach (old testament), new testament, quran (final testament),
book of mormon (another final testament) new age literature
(other final final testaments) and so on.
truth is by the Spirit of YHWH which must be in accordance with
scripture and must be experienced as well as revealed.
You your religion, i my religion?
Religion can not save you; you got to have a personal relationship with YHWH through the Spirit.
If you want to wait for the final judgment and the resurrection you will
be too late, first resurrection will take place before Millennium, the
second one after the last war.

SM June 25, 2010 at 10:51 pm

SC
The greek word for bautism is baptizo.
The baptism of repentance was already preached by John the baptist,
Yeshua was baptized by John to fullfill righteousness
Yeshua said “you got to born of water and spirit”.
the disciples were baptizing before Paul became a christian.
baptism is an act of obedience not a “condition” to be saved.
People are baptised as a sign of being saved.
So paul did not give a new definition but added a new description of it.
jews and muslims and many christians are stuck by tradition and
the letter of the law, which kills, the spirit of the word makes alive.

Saltie Croc June 25, 2010 at 11:51 pm

SM,
Who is the Holy Spirit In Islam?

Just like in Christianity, we the Muslims also believe in the Holy spirit, however so our belief in the Holy spirit is quite different than the Christian belief on this matter. However so who is the Holy spirit that the Quran often refers to? :

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YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

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YUSUFALI: Then will Allah say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’

So who exactly is the Holy Spirit? Let us consult Ibn Kathir’s tafsir:

Jibril is Ruh Al-Qudus

The proof that Jibril is the Ruh Al-Qudus is the statement of Ibn Mas`ud in explanation of this Ayah. This is also the view of Ibn `Abbas, Muhammad bin Ka`b, Isma`il bin Khalid, As-Suddi, Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, `Atiyah Al-`Awfi and Qatadah. Additionally, Allah said,

(Which the trustworthy Ruh (Jibril) has brought down. Upon your heart (O Muhammad ) that you may be (one) of the warners) (26:193-194).

Al-Bukhari recorded `A’ishah saying that the Messenger of Allah erected a Minbar in the Masjid on which Hassan bin Thabit (the renowned poet) used to defend the Messenger of Allah (with his poems). The Messenger of Allah said,

(O Allah! Aid Hassan with Ruh Al-Qudus, for he defended Your Prophet.)

Abu Dawud recorded this Hadith in his Sunan as did At-Tirmidhi who graded it Hasan Sahih. Further, Ibn Hibban recorded in his Sahih that Ibn Mas`ud said that the Prophet said,

(Ruh Al-Qudus informed me that no soul shall die until it finishes its set provisions and term limit. Therefore, have Taqwa of Allah and seek your sustenance in the most suitable way.)

Reminding `Isa of the Favors that Allah Granted him

Allah mentions how He blessed His servant and Messenger, `Isa, son of Maryam, and the miracles and extraordinary acts He granted him. Allah said,

(Remember My favor to you) when I created you from your mother, without male intervention, and made you a sign and clear proof of My perfect power over all things. d

(And to your mother) when I made you testify to her chastity and you thus absolved her from the sin that the unjust, ignorant liars accused her of,

(when I supported you with Ruh – il-Qudus) the angel Jibril, and made you a Prophet, calling to Allah in the cradle and manhood. I made you speak in the cradle, and you testified that your mother was free from any immoral behavior, and you proclaimed that you worship Me. You also conveyed the news of My Message and invited them to worship Me.

And also here is what one Sheikh writes concerning this matter:

Praise be to Allaah.

The “Holy Spirit” (Rooh al-Qudus) is Jibreel (peace be upon him). Shaykh al-Shanqeeti said: “The words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning), ?and [We] supported him with Rooh al-Qudus’ [al-Baqarah 2:87] refer to Jibreel according to the most sound view. This is indicated by the words (interpretation of the meaning): ?Which the trustworthy Rooh has brought down’ [al-Shu'ara' 26:193] and ?then We sent to her our Rooh’ [Maryam 19:17].”

Ibn Abi Haatim narrated from Ahmad ibn Sinaan. Abu’l-Za’raa’ told us: ?Abd-Allaah said: Rooh al-Qudus (“the Holy Spirit”) is Jibreel, then he said: something similar was narrated from Muhammad ibn Ka’b al-Qurazi, Qutaadah, ?Atiyah al-?Awfi, al-Saddi and al-Rabee’ ibn Anas.

This view is supported by the above and by the report narrated by the two Shaykhs [al-Bukhaari and Muslim] with their isnaads from Abu Salamah ibn ?Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ?Awf, that he heard Hassaan ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari asking Abu Hurayrah to bear witness, “I ask you by Allaah, did you hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ?O Hassaan, respond on behalf of the Messenger of Allaah. O Allaah, support him with Rooh al-Qudus’?” Abu Hurayrah said, “Yes.”

(al-Tafseer al-Masboor by Dr. Hikmat Basheer, 1/192-193)

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: the majority of scholars said that this refers to Jibreel (peace be upon him), and that Allaah called him al-Rooh al-Ameen, Rooh al-Qudus and Jibreel.”

(Daqaa’iq al-Tafseer, part 1, p. 310)

He wrote an entire chapter on that and said:

Chapter on the meaning of Rooh al-Qudus:

Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):

“O ?Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)].”

[al-Maa'idah 5:110]

Allaah supported the Messiah (peace be upon him) with Rooh al-Qudus as He mentions in this aayah. In al-Baqarah Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We gave ?Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rooh-ul-Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]

[al-Baqarah 2:87]

“Those Messengers! We preferred some of them to others; to some of them Allâh spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ?Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]”

[al-Baqarah 2:253]

This is not limited only to the Messiah; others were also supported in this way. (The scholars) mentioned that Dawood said, “Do not stop supporting me with Rooh al-Qudus.” And our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Hassaan ibn Thaabit, “O Allaah, support him with Rooh al-Qudus.” According to another report: “Rooh al-Qudus will be with you so long as you are defending His Prophet.” Both versions are narrated in al-Saheeh.

According to the Christians, the “Holy Spirit” dwelt in the Disciples, and according to them the “Holy Spirit” is something experienced by all of the Prophets. But Allaah says in al-Nahl (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad) Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought it (the Qur’aan) down from your Lord with truth, that it may make firm and strengthen (the Faith of) those who believe, and as a guidance and glad tidings to those who have submitted (to Allaah as Muslims)”

[al-Nahl 16:102]

“Which the trustworthy Rooh [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought down

Upon your heart (O Muhammad)”

[al-Shu'ara' 26:193]

“Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel (Gabriel) (let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Qur’aan) down to your heart”

[al-Baqarah 2:97]

So it is clear that Rooh al-Qudus here refers to Jibreel. No one suggests that Rooh al-Qudus means the life of Allaah; nor is this indicated by the wording and this phrase is never used in that sense.

Daqaa’iq al-Tafseer, part 2, p. 92

So it is a consensus among Islamic Scholarship that the Holy Spirit is Jibreel, and this isn’t just a mere opinion, the Islamic texts and sources prove this fact, the scholars didn’t just make it up. For instance the Quran says this concerning the Holy Spirit:

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YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

So the Holy spirit has brought down the Quran to the prophet Muhammad, this is non other than the angel Jibreel, this is what the Quran says concerning Jibreel:

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YUSUFALI: Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-

So as you can see the Holy spirit can be non other than the angel Jibreel, the Holy spirit brings down the revelation which strengthens and guides the believers, the angel Jibreel brings down the revelation which strengthens and guides the believers! Hence the Holy Spirit is Jibreel and Jibreel is the Holy spirit!

So in conclusion the Holy Spirit in Islam is not God, nor a semi-God, the Holy Spirit in Islam is non other than the angel Jibreel.

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SM June 26, 2010 at 6:10 pm

SC

Sorry, the RUACH YHWH is not the ruach qadim nor the angel
Gabriel; on the same premise of sole oneness it excludes this YHWH
manifestation and lower it to angelical level.
Gabriel is just the #3 ranked angel.
I am not impressed by biblical, quranical, veda, buddhist quotations
and quasi literature that follows an agenda in order to fit human made
religion. If you don’t have the Spirit you don’t belong to YHWH, if you
want to follow the majority in whatever imitation of what is suppose
to be the reasonable service (Faith in YHWH), you go right ahead,
but you won’t be part of the Qahal YHWH, as said before more than 6 billion people won’t make it in.
To believe in the holy spirit is not enough, Ruach YHWH has to indwel
(baptism/bautismo in the Spirit) and inspire, reveal, lead, guide and administer by charisma a person according to the Scriptures.
If you have not experienced this, than you can’t really understand.
Isa and maryam are not Yeshua and miriam, and gabriel is not Ruach
YHWH, the problem with all world-religions is that they are too restrictive and are diminishing YHWH.
anyway, it is everybody’s choice to believe something… or not.
Muhammed and joseph smith and many others did not pass the Micha test (even evil king Ahab didn’t fail it) and they accepted other gospels from angels resulting in what is contrary to Scripture.

Saltie Crocodile in NZ celebarating Kiwi All whites success in WCup June 27, 2010 at 2:31 am

Greetings SM,

1) What is the name of your creed? if there is a name to it.Are you one of the 490 sects in Judea- Christianity? Or the normal question is to which church do you belong and which version of the bible do you pray with?

2) Or you do not have a book/literature at all? Or it is just sufficient for you to be baptised and get that experience you mentioned.But you said “and inspire, reveal, lead, guide and administer by charisma a person according to the SCRIPTURES. You refer to book.

3)RUACH YHWH,is it the Holy Spirit in the bible,yet you do not seem to agree too much with the bible.

4) Gabriel is just the #3 ranked angel.
Who is no 1 and 2? Mikail? Because he gives only glad tidings?

Saltie Crocodile in NZ celeberating Kiwi All whites success in WCup June 27, 2010 at 3:09 am

Greetings,

God has, by His decree, preserved the last representatives from both lines of Abraham for the establishment of His Kingdom. At the end of time, He will bring Imam al-Mahdi and Prophet Jesus together for the fulfillment of His plan.

We are told that Jesus will descend to the earth soon after the appearance of the Mahdi; he will join the Mahdi in establishing the Kingdom of God on earth; and he will pray behind Imam al-Mahdi. The true Christians will follow Jesus in accepting Imam al-Mahdi as the leader at the time and become Muslims.

Saltie Crocodile in NZ celeberating Kiwi All whites success in WCup June 27, 2010 at 4:22 am

The Second Coming of Sayyidna Isa (Jesus Christ)

Allah says in Holy Qur’an

And they made a move, and Allah made a move. And Allah is the best of those who make moves (3:54) When Allah said: ‘O Isa, I am to take you in full and raise you towards Myself, and cleanse you of those who disbelieve, and place those who follow you above those who disbelieve, upto the Day of Doom. Then to Me is your return, whereupon I shall judge between you in what you have been differing in. (3:55)

Commentary

In these verses the miraculous event of the Ascension of Sayyidna Isa (Jesus Christ) has been mentioned. “And they made a move” refers to the evil designs of the Jews who planned to arrest him and to get him crucified.

The next sentence i.e. “and Allah made a move” refers to the plan designed by Allah Almighty to save his prophet Isa from their ill designs. They sent one of them to Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) to arrest him and Allah changed his face totally and made him resemble Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) and raised Sayyidna Isa to heavens, while that person was crucified under the mistaken identity. How Allah had planned to save Isa (alayh issalam) from their clutches was disclosed to him when his enemies came to arrest him.

Explanation of important words in the verse

Some sects which deny, contrary to the belief of the entire Muslim community, the Ascension of Sayyidna Isa (Jesus Christ), his being alive in the heavens and his descension towards the later times, have worked through the words and meanings of these verses to open doors of distortion in the Qur’anic text. Therefore, it seems appropriate that these words be explained in some details.

Let us begin with “wallaahu khairul maakireen” translated as “and Allah is the best of those who make moves”. The word, makr in Arabic denotes a subtle and secret move or plan. If this is for a good purpose, it is good; and if this is for a bad purpose, it is bad. It was why the restriction of saiyy (evil) was placed with makr (move, plan) in 35:43.

The Qur’anic word, makr, is used exclusively for conspiracy, evil plan, and strategy in the everyday idiom of the Urdu language (in which this commentary was originally written), therefore, it should not be equated with the Arabic usage. This is the reason why Allah has been called “khairul maakireen”.

The verse means that the Jews started making a series of conspiracies and secret schemes against Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) going to the limit of convincing the ruler of the time that he was a heretic (God forbid) all bent upon changing the Torah and was going to make apostates of everybody. The ruler ordered the arrest of Sayyidna Isa. While this was the scene on one side, the subtle and secret move made by Allah Almighty was countering their evil plans more effectively, which has been mentioned in the verses coming next.

The word mutawaffi in “innee mutawaffeeka” takes tawaffi as its verbal noun with its root being wafyun. Lexically, the word means “to take in full”. This being its real meaning, its derivations wafa, ifa, and istifa are used to convey that sense. In fact, the real meaning of tawaffi is “to take in full” which is universally confirmed by all lexicons of the Arabic language. Since man completes his appointed time at the hour of death and the spirit or soul given by Allah is taken back fully and conclusively, it is in that context that this word is also used figuratively in the sense of death. A simple form of death is the daily sleep of human beings. For this too, the Holy Qur’an uses the same word when it says:

“Allaahu yatawaffal anfusa heena mautihaa wallatee lam tamut fee manaamihaa” (39:42)

“Allah takes away lives of the living at the time of their death and of those that do not die, in their sleep.”

Hafiz Ibn Taimiyyah says in al-Jawab al-Sahih (v. 2, p. 83):

“Al-tawaffi, in the Arabic language, means: to exact fully or take in full. It takes three forms; the first: to take in sleep; the second: to take in death; and the third: to take the soul and the body all together.”

In Kulliyat Abu al-Baqa, it is said:

“Al-tawaffi is putting to death and exacting of the soul in common usage while, in the classical usage, it is taking in full and the exacting of the due right.”

Therefore, the majority of scholars have translated the word mutawaffika in the verse under study in the sense of “taking in full”. This means that Allah will not leave Sayyidna Isa in the hands of the Jews, rather He would take him away which would be in the form that he would be risen unto Him in the heavens.

This is how the words “I am to take you in full” have been interpreted by the majority of the scholars. However, some authentic comentators of the Holy Qur’an have interpreted these words in the sense of “giving death” also, but they do not mean that the death of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) will occur at the hands of his enemies. The true meaning of the verse, according to these commentators is as follows:

Allah Almighty said two things to comfort Jesus at a time when the Jews were bent on killing him. One: That his death will come, not at their hands in the form of killing, but that it would be a natural death. Two: In order to rescue him from the evil designs of those people, Allah Almighty will, at that time, raise Jesus towards Him. This explanation is exactly what has been reported from Sayyidna Ibn Abbas (radiyallahu anh) as quoted by al-Suyuti in his al-Durr al-Manthur v. 2, p. 36 on the authority of several narrators.

The gist of this tafsir or explanation is that tawaffi does mean giving death, but there is the element of precedence and sequence in the words used. The fact of raafi’uka (I shall raise you) will come first and that of mutawaffika (I shall give you death) later. Now at this point, the wisdom behind mentioning the phenomenon of the earlier lies in the hint that it gives about the events which are to come later on. It means that raising towards Allah will not last forever; it would be temporary and then, he would return to the mortal world and prevail over enemies and later on, death will come to him in a natural way.

Thus, the event of his return from heaven and his death after having established his victory in the world was not only a miracle but a consummation of the honour and integrity of Jesus (alayh issalam). In addition to that, the unfounded Christian belief in the divinity of Jesus was also refuted. Had it not been so, the event of Jesus being raised towards the heavens alive would have further strengthened their false belief that he too was Living and Eternal like Allah. Therefore, by introducing the word mutawaffika (pointing out to his death) first, all those misconceptions which might have arisen from “raising of Jesus” have been refuted in advance.

The reality is that disbelievers and polytheists have always been vehemently opposed to prophets (alayhim issalam). And parallel to that there has been the customary practice of Allah – when a people unto whom a prophet has been sent stick to their own opinion, do not listen to the prophet and do not believe in him even after having witnessed the miracles, then, one of the following two counter-actions were taken: Either those people were annihilated through some natural calamity as was done with Ad and Thamud and the peoples of Prophets Lut and Salih (alayhim assalam); or, alternatively Allah would instruct His prophet to migrate from the habitat of disbelievers and go to some other place. It was there that they were provided with such power and glory that they finally achieved victory against the people whom they were sent to. For example, Prophet Ibrahim, (alayh issalam) migrated from Iraq and sought refuge in Syria. Similarly, Prophet Musa (Moses) (alayh issalam), migrated from Egypt and came to Madyan. Finally, the Last Prophet, Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) migrated from Makkah and came to Madinah. It was from there that he finally attacked Makkah and conquered it. This raising of Jesus to the heavens to outmaneuver the threatening designs of the Jews was, in fact, an act of emigration in its own way, following which he would return to this world and achieve total victory over the Jews.

Now comes the question as to why this emigration of his, quite separate from the rest, has the heavens as the destination? So, for that matter, Allah Almighty has Himself said about him that his case is like that of Adam (alayh issalam). The way in which Adam’s birth differs from the normal birth of the rest of creation, (i.e., without a father and a mother) so it is that the birth of Jesus took a miraculous form different from the normal birth of human beings; and his death too, taking a unique and unmatched form, will materialize after hundreds of years following his return to the world — unprecedented indeed. Why then, should one be surprised if his emigration too follows some such unique pattern?

These marvels of nature led the ignorant among Christians into believing and declaring that he was God, while deliberation into the various aspects of these very marvels, are clear proofs of his servitude as a human being to God, obedience to the Divine will and the demonstration of human traits. It is for this reason that the Holy Qur’an has made a pointed reference to the refutation of belief in the Godhood of Jesus on all such occasions. The raising towards the heavens would have made this doubt all the more strong. Therefore, by bringing the word mutawaffika (I am to take you in full) earlier, this doubt was totally eliminated. Thus we come to realize that this verse, no doubt, aims at negating the Jewish plans since they were all set to crucify and kill Jesus, (alayh issalam), and that Allah Almighty made their plans come to nothing. Moreover, this precedence and sequence of words became the mode of refuting the Christians as well that Jesus was no God who was never to die but that a time will come when he too will meet his death.

In his Tafsir Imam al-Razi has said that such precedence and sequence occurs frequently in the noble Qur’an in order to cover similar expedient considerations under which an event due later has been mentioned first while an event due earlier has been placed after that. (al-Tafsir al-Kabir, v. 2, p.48)

As for raafi’uka ilayya (And I shall raise you towards Me), the meaning is clear. Addressing Jesus here, it has been said: “I shall raise you towards Me”. Every one knows that Jesus is not the name of just the spirit but that of the spirit and the body of Jesus. Now taking the raising of Jesus in the sense that the act of raising was spiritual only, and not physical, is all wrong. As far as the word, raf’ (raising) is concerned, there are occasions when it is also used to indicate raising of ranks as it appears in the following verses of the noble Qur’an:

“Rafa’a ba’dakum fawqa ba’din darajaatin” (6:165)

“…and raised some of you in ranks over others.”

“Yarfa’illahullazeena aamanoo minkum wallazeena ootul’ilma” (58:11)

“…and Allah will raise up in rank those of you who believe and those who have been given knowledge.”

So, it is obvious that the word, raf’ : raising, in the sense of the raising of rank or status has been used figuratively in view of the context of the aforementioned verses. There is no reason here to ignore the real meaning and go by that which is figurative. Moreover, by using the word, ila (towards) alongwith the word, raf’ (raising), at this particular place, the possibility of such a figurative meaning has been totally eliminated. What is said in this verse is raafi’uka ilayya: I shall raise you towards Me. Then there is the verse from Surah al-Nisa (4:158), which refutes the belief of Jews; there too, what was said is “wa maa qataloohu yaqeenan barrafa’ahullahu ilayhi” that is, the Jews certainly did not kill Jesus, instead, Allah raised him towards Himself. This later expression is used for nothing but the raising alive of the spirit and the body.

Explained this far were the words of the verse.

Allah Almighty’s Five Promises to Jesus

In the verse under reference, Allah Almighty made five promises to Isa (alayh issalam) vis-a-vis the Jews:

1. The first promise was that his death will not come at the hands of the Jews through killing. It will be a natural death coming at its appointed time and that appointed time will come close to the Day of Doom, when Isa (alayh issalam) will come down from the heavens onto the earth as reported in details in sound ahadith transmitted through unbroken chains, part of which will appear later.

2. The second promise was to raise him towards the heavens in the existing situation. This was fulfilled right then. The report of this fulfillment was given in Surah al-Nisa (4:158) by saying:

“Wa maa qataloohu yaqeenan barrafa’ahullahu ilayhi”

“Certainly, the Jews did not kill him, instead; Allah Almighty raised him towards Himself.”

3. The third promise was: “wa mutahhiruka minallazeena kafaroo”, that is, to have him cleansed of false accusations brought on him by his enemies. That promise was fulfilled when the last of the prophets (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) came and refuted all false accusations of the Jews. For instance, the Jews threw slanders on the parentage of Sayyidnaa Isa (alayh issalam) because of his having been born without a father. The noble Qur’an refuted this slander by declaring that he was born without a father because such was the power and will of Allah. And that too does not call for much of a surprise. More surprising is the birth of Adam since he was born without both a father and a mother.

The Jews accused Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) of claiming to be God. There are many verses in the noble Qur’an in which, contrary to this accusation, Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) has been reported to have publicly confessed his being human and a servant and bondsman of Allah.

4. The fourth promise appears in “wajaa’ilullazeenattaba’ooka fawqallazeena kafaroo” (and placed those who follow you above those who disbelieve) which means that his followers will be made to overcome those who deny and oppose him. This promise was fulfilled in the sense that following here means the belief in and confession of the prophethood of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam). The belief in and the practice of all injunctions ascribed to him is not a pre-condition. Thus the Christians and the Muslims both fall in this category as they believe in the prophethood and messengership of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam). However, this is a different matter that holding this much of belief is not enough to bring forth salvation in the Hereafter. Instead, the salvation in the Hereafter depends on believing in all injunctions brought by Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam). One of the instructions given by Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) was that his followers should believe and have faith in the last of the Prophets (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), who would come after Jesus departs. The Christians did not follow this instruction in matters of faith and belief, therefore, they deprived themselves of salvation in the Hereafter while Muslims acted in accordance with that too, therefore, they became deserving of salvation in the Hereafter. But, part of the promise which relates to having dominant authority over Jews was dependent on the prophethood of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) only. That dominance in the world has always been the fate of Christians and Muslims vis-a-vis the Jews, and surely, so shall it be through the Day of Judgement.

From the time when Allah Almighty made this promise right upto now, it has always been the case that the Christians and Muslims have dominated the Jews. The world has seen the establishment of their empires. The existence of the present state of Israel cannot make the truth of this position doubtful for several reasons. To begin with, and in reality, this state is no more than a manifestation of the military might of Russia and the Christians of Euro-American origin which they have established and maintained against Muslims. As soon as Russia, America and countries of Europe withdraw their patronage, the world will itself witness the instant collapse of this state and its disappearance from the map of the world. Therefore, people who can see the reality do realise the actual position of Israel or the Government of the Jews. It is by no means a manifestation of the domination of Jews. If, just for the sake of argument, it is taken to be their own state, even then, who would – in his right frame of mind – deny that, given the totality of Christians and Muslims, they are wielders of lesser influence and are much subjugated with fear. Even if we were to leave this aspect aside, we know that a temporary domination by the Jews close to the Day of Judgement has been reported in the authentic reports of the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Now if this world is destined to exist for any considerable period of time and if the Day of Judgement is close, that domination too is not contrary to the reports which Muslims consider authentic. Moreover, such short-lived occupation cannot be given the name of a state or government especially when it is based on a conspiracy hatched by the Christians and the communists.

5. The fifth promise, that of giving a decision in respect of such conflicts in faith on the Day of Judgement will certainly be fulfilled on its appointed time as it has been indicated in the verse:

“Thumma ilayya marji’ukum fa’ahkumu baynakum” (3:55)

“Then, to Me is your return, whereupon I shall judge between you.”

JESUS: The question of his life and second coming:

The Jews are the only people in the world who say that Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) was crucified, killed and buried following which he never returned to life. What happened really and truly has been clarified in verse 158 of Surah al-Nisa in the Holy Qur’an. Then, in “makaroo wamakarallahu” (And they made a move, and Allah made a move) of the present verse, it has been pointed out that Allah Almighty made the sinister move of the enemies of Isa recoil upon those who had gone into the house to kill Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam). It was one of them that Allah Almighty changed to look exactly like Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) and then He raised Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) alive onto the heavens. The words of the verse are as follows:

“Wamaa qataloohu wamaa salaboohu walaakin shubbiha lahum” (4:157)

“And they did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but they were deluded by resemblance.”

Details regarding this will appear under the commentary on Surah al-Nisa.

The Christians said that Jesus was, no doubt, killed on the cross but was brought back to life once again and raised onto the heavens. The verse under reference has refuted this false notion as well. It is stressed here that similar to the Jews who were rejoicing after killing their own man, the Christians fell a victim to the same mistaken identity by believing that it was Jesus who got killed on the Cross, and as such, the Christians too became the victims of mistaken identity. This is obvious from the Qur’anic statement shubbiha lahum (they were deluded by resemblance) just like the Jews were deceived by mistaken identity.

As opposed to the view of these two groups, there is the Islamic belief, stated here in this verse and in several other verses clearly, which says that Allah Almighty raised him alive onto the heavens in order to rescue him from the Jews. He was not to be killed and he was not to be crucified. He is in the heavens alive and it will be close to the Day of Judgement when he shall come down from the heavens, lead the Muslims to victory over the Jews, and finally, he will die a natural death.

There is a consensus of the entire Muslim community on this belief. Hafiz ibn Hajr, in his Talkhis al-Habir, has reported this consensus (page 319). This belief, and the consensus of the community on it, stands proved on the authority of several verses of the Holy Qur’an and reports from mutawatir ahadith transmitted through an unbroken chain of reporting. However, this is not the place for its detailed discussion, and not necessary either. The reason being that scholars of the community have already taken up this question in special books with full clarity giving detailed answers to those who dispute in the Ascension of the Christ. For instance, the Arabic work, Aqidatu l’Islam fi Hayati Isa (alayh issalam) by Hujjatu l’Islam Maulana Sayyid Muhammad Anwar Shah al-Kashmiri, Hayat-e-Isa (alayh issalam), (the Life of Jesus) in Urdu by Hadrat Maulana Badr Alam Muhajir Madani, Hayat-e-Masih (alayh issalam) in Urdu by Maulana Sayyid Muhammad Idris and hundreds of other books or essays dealing with this question have been widely published and circulated. While carrying out the orders of his respected teacher, Maulana Sayyid Muhammad Anwar Shah al-Kashmiri, this writer had collected more than one hundred mutawatir ahadith identified by him which prove in an undeniable manner that Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) was raised alive and that he will return close to the Day of Judgement. This collection in book form and entitled, Al-Tasrih bima Tawatara fi Nuzul al-Masih has been recently published from Beirut with marginal notes and commentary by Allama Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghudah, a revered scholar of Allepo, Syria.

Hafiz ibn Kathir while explaining the verse “wa’innahoo la’ilmullissaa’ati” of Surah al-Zukhruf (43:61) has said:

“There are ahadith from the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), narrated in an uninterrupted succession, that he proclaimed the coming of Isa (alayh issalam) before the Day of Judgement as a just leader.

At this stage I would like to draw the attention of the reader to a point which, if noticed even with a small measure of sanity and justice, would leave no room for any doubt regarding this question. The point is that in the eleventh section of Surah al-Imran, Allah Almighty while referring to past prophets deemed it sufficient to refer to prophets Adam, Nuh, Al-Ibrahim (the family of Ibrahim) and Al-Imran (the family of Imran) briefly in one single verse. After that, it was in nearly three sections and twenty two verses that reference was made to Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) and his family with meticulous detail – something which has not been made in that manner even in respect of the Last of the prophets (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) to whom the Qur’an was revealed. Note the detailed mention of the grandmother of Jesus, her pledge, the birth of his mother, her name, her upbringing, the conceiving of Jesus by his mother then the detailed narrative of his birth, followed by the description of what his mother ate and drank, after child birth, her return to the family with the newborn child, their blames and curses, first the gift of eloquence to the new born as his miracle, then his growing up and call to his people, opposition faced and the help of disciples, the hostile attempts by the Jews to trap and kill him, his being raised alive onto the heavens – then complete details of his additional traits, his looks, physique, dress and its likes – these are accounts which have not been taken up in the whole spectrum of the Qur’an and Hadith in respect of any prophet or messenger with that much of detail. This point is an open invitation to everyone to think as to why did this happen and what was the wisdom behind it.

Even a moment’s reflection here makes it clear that the Last of the prophets (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), being the final prophet and messenger with no apostle to come after him, took special care to guide his community about conditions that it was going to face right through the Day of Judgement. He therefore, took upon himself to identity those who would be worthy of the community’s following. He, as a matter of principle, described them with a profile of their general qualities. There were other blessed people whom he identified by name and emphatically asked the community to follow them. Other than these, he also marked out the astray and the deviating who posed a danger to the faith of the community.

Of the mischief-makers who were to come after the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) the most notorious was Dajjal (the anti-Christ) the imposter of the Messiah, whose disturbing wickedness was terribly deviation-prone. Therefore, the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) related many details of his profile, attending conditions and distinguishing traits, so that there remains no room for the community to doubt about his being a mischief monger whenever he appears. Similarly, among the later day religious reformers and power-worthy elders, Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) is the most distinguished whom Allah Almighty blessed with the station of prophethood, kept him alive in the heavens to come to the rescue of the Muslim community during the wicked period of Dajjal (anti-Christ) and appointed him to kill Dajjal close to the Day of Judgement. This is why it was deemed necessary that the community should be given the most clear indications of his person and qualities as well, so that no human being remains in doubt while identifying Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) when he comes, the second time.

There are many elements of wisdom in this treatment.

Firstly, should the community find it difficult to identify Isa (Jesus Christ) (alayh issalam), the very purpose of his coming will be negated. If the Muslim community will not identify and cooperate with him, how could he help and support them? Secondary, although Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) will not come into the world at that time designated as Prophet, but he would come to lead the Muslim community as the Khalifa (viceregent) of the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), the personal station of prophethood that he has will not be taken from him. Instead, he would be like the governor of a province or state who continues to hold that position even if he has gone out to visit some other province or state for some reason. Therefore, even though he is not as a governor in that province, the office of the governorship has not been ipso facto taken away from him. Similary, Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) will not be without his attribute of prophethood at that time, and the way the rejection of his prophethood was infidelity earlier, so infidelity it shall be at that time. Now the Muslim community which has already nursed and shown its faith in his prophethood as based on the guidance of the Qur’an would fall into the grievous error of rejection, if it fails to recognize him when he comes. So, clarifying his signs and attributes in a greater measure was extremely necessary.

Thirdly, since the event of the coming of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) will take place towards the later years of this mortal world, chances were – given the ambiguity in his marks of identification that some other person could come up with the claim of being Messiah, the son of Mary, in which case, these indicators will serve well to refute and reject any such claim. This is what happened in pre-partition India where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian claimed that he was the promised Messiah. The scholars of the Muslim community refuted his claim on the basis of these very cited indicators.

In short, here and at other places, the very fact of such detailed description concerning Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) is in itself indicating that his reappearance is due close to the Day of Judgement and that he would return to the world. This humble writer has taken up this subject in full details in his Urdu treatise entitled Masih Maw’ud ki pahchan (Identifying the Promised Messiah) which may be consulted for these details.

SM June 27, 2010 at 5:02 am

Greetings SC,

1) The Gathering of Yahweh is universal and not depending on the religional denominations. christians are closest to it, still jews and
muslims depend too much on self-justification.

2)In general the parts of old and new testaments and with other parts that are in accordance with eachother spiritually discerned by the
YHWH Ruach through the charisma, prayer, guidance, revelation,
inspiration and induction.

3)There are no perfect books; all have contaminations, no book is the
entire inspired word of YHWH; new testament has most inspired texts,
but it is in no way TOTALLY inspired by YHWH; “pasa graphe Theo-
pneutos kai ophelimos pros..” = every (not all) GOD-inspired scripture and profitable for..

4) YHWH in angel form; 1.Malak YHWH 2. Archangel Michael.
Michael is the one leading the heavenly host in heavenly warfare. Gabriel is more the messenger, who can be used to test humans
(see last comment; correction; Micha=Micaiah).

About your last comment; all religions are awaiting someone to return;
christians: jesus, catholics; the high-priest, jews; the messiah, muslims; (shia) al- mahdi, hindus;brahman, buddhists; buddha, new age; the
maitreya. All will accept the Vicarus Lucifer (satan’s replacement) as
the one they expect. only real believers won’t be deceived.
YHWH will return in form of Yehoshuwa ha Moschiach first for the
real believers in the sky and will descend on earth later on to fight
against the gathering of nations east of ierushalaim ( the most correct transliteration of masonic scripture) /Jerusalem.
The real YHWH theocracy will not be according jewish, christian or
islamic designs. The Divine will truely reign!

SM June 27, 2010 at 5:41 am

SC,
Concerning your very latest comments;
thanks for your elaborated explanations.
it is always interesting to read the theological explanations from the
various religious interpretatations, although i don’t agree;
Because the crucifixion of Yeshua was from before the foundation
of heaven and earth (not to confound with the statement that he was
crucified twice; before and after), there is scriptural, archeological,
historical, experiential as well as spiritual proof of his life, death and
resurrection between the years 0-33 as the incarnation of YHWH
through the Ruach YHWH in human form.
YHWH has appeared too many times in the form of Yehoshuwa ha
Moschiach through many many years to too many people.
The Kabod YHWH reveals it and the YHWH Ruach confirms it.
people can make all kind of books and commentaries, bottomline is;
The adversary will do everything to deceive mankind, he loves all
religion, as long it keeps you away from the real Qahal YHWH.
As human i can respect all human believes, but as a believer i do
disagree with all, because most people will go astray, but only few will find the way to life in spirit and in truth.
Every human is suppose to be a free agent with the ability to choose
freely against… or… for YHWH.

kaw July 1, 2010 at 6:40 pm

SC,
Most of what you are writing is more or less rubbish. One suspects that you are trying to force people into YOUR belief system. I would suggest that you stop.
Lets NOT hear from you again. It is fairly clear the muslims tried to dilute an opposing belief system, Christianity, by incorporating vague references into their own “religion”.

-someone in this world- July 14, 2010 at 10:45 am

astaghfirrullah..
where do you get the sources about Muhammad(SAW) marriage? there no such thing about he sleep with all his wife in one night and so on..Muslim and Bukhari never told that..
please don’t hate Islam because some of us made something bad.. our religion has thought us to be good,and clearly who done something bad and is forbidden,it is still a sin..we done hate you,so don’t easily made a conclusion about our religion..only Allah knows it all..

sheikyermami July 14, 2010 at 10:54 am

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:

Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men).” And Sa’id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

More here:

http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=230:the-superhuman-sexual-power-of-muhammad&catid=95:saleem&Itemid=58

Mullah Lodabullah July 14, 2010 at 11:03 am

* we done hate you,so don’t easily made a conclusion about our religion

Tell it to your god and its false prophet, & get back with its response.

* only Allah knows it all.

So why fake away on its behalf. It hates infidels, and wants to kill us, maim us, convert us, or force us to pay protection into its criminal racket.

In the USA, RICO should be used against it, and its followers.

(RICO – Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act)

Saul or Paul of Tasarus??? July 15, 2010 at 4:24 am

Why are you all sex obsessed?
Not enough phono graphy in your Bible?
Not graphic enough in your New Testicals men oops sorry
New testaments.
You sickos, followers of Paul of Tasarus or is it Saul ?
No, it sound Jewish. No it must be Greek,.You Qibtis from the upper Nile forever lost in the twilight zone of your stupidities .You cannot even utter God, but write G-d.why? is it because your minds are full of filth as large as the human waste that flow from the Gold coast to the sea?
instead you say G-d everytime.

If you threaten me, there is INTERPOL , guys.

kaw July 19, 2010 at 6:27 pm

Saul or whatever you are.
That coin falls both ways. It would be advisable for you to somehow add some IQ points before your next mail. And just who is sex-obsessed? It seems that you are – never mind – go visit a therapist.

david cohen July 27, 2010 at 1:35 pm

to yermami and his cohorte of devils
you are , YERMAMI, un vrai FILS DE PUTAIN , grosse putain! you are an ugly creature i did not use the word man as you don’t deserve that name

kaw July 29, 2010 at 7:05 pm

Well david, assuming that is your name, I must admit that I didn’t realize that a turkey could write. Well, I guess you can. Perhaps you might like to explain your rant to the folks here – before you take your nightly pill of course.

kaw July 29, 2010 at 7:14 pm

SC,
You cannot prove what does not exist – but you can fool yourself into believing. The quran contains nothing of scientific value and its historical value is also poor. So I am going to ask you to prove what you claim – rest assured it will be easily and validly disputed. You are asking people into converting into your poisonous religion – well keep on trying – the simple fact is that very few convert to it. In muslim countries a person would be jailed or shot for trying to convert others to a non-muslim religion. Please also explain why you should not be jailed or executed for doing the same in a non-muslim country.

Salt Crocodile in Assuyut. July 31, 2010 at 3:46 am

Hello ,
You wrote ” You are asking people into converting into your poisonous religion – well keep on trying – ”
If the facts are acceptable, why not? The ex christians who reverted to Islam are the ex clergy; priests who were exposed to and found out the
frauds in the scriptures.They reverted freely with no coercion. They turned out to better Muslims.

The evangelists turned away from Islamic countries are those bringing in distorted facts , bribing children and the poor with sweets and money. That’s coercion.Don’t expect us to smile and do nothing when that unfair tactics were used.

Mullah Lodabullah July 31, 2010 at 6:44 am

* those bringing in distorted facts

What “distorted facts” would those be, SC?

Eventually, allah and its henchmen will be no match for the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which will be preached in all the nations … before the end comes. The signs of the end, and the return of Christ – Matthew 24, in part:

Jesus answered them, “Be careful that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren’t troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places.

But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.

Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
[...]
Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
(Mo is the most successful false prophet to date – he did it for you)
[...]
This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

No more allah, no more islam, no more muslims – the millennial reign of Jesus Christ over all the nations, from Jerusalem, the City of the Great King.

The rantings of a thousand deluded imams, or the bloodthirsty designs of the insane Persian President against the ‘Zionist entity” will come to nothing, as Jerusalem returns to pride of place for the Millennium.

Ofra Haza – Yerushalaim Shel Zahav
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Co7IzOyhw

kaw July 31, 2010 at 11:33 am

SC,
It seems you can only lie, but you are a muslim so nothing else can be expected, There are no Christian clergy who have devolved sufficiently to revert to islam, the religion of the murderer, rapist and child molester. Some were forced, through torture etc, to accept islam but it is doubtful they ever really accepted your pig prophet.

YOU WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE YOUR PROOFS OF SCIENCE IN THE QURAN – DO SO NOW – SO THAT YOUR STATEMENTS CAN SHOWN FOR THE RUBBISH THAT THEY ARE.

Why is it that we are not allowed to terminate you for trying to foster a religion of child molesting rapist murderers called islam onto our people. Well, that will change soon enough and then we WILL come for you.

BTW – the statements you make about Christian missionaries show that you , in fact, are the perverted individual. But you are a muslim, and we accept now that you will have to be destroyed if we wish to save our species. islam is a curse, a pox, on mankind that subjugates peoples and enforces ignorance, stupidity and violence. I am merely repeating what you muslims bleat every friday when you smell each others arses is the mosque – that probably gave you wet dreams sc – now provide your “proofs”.

Saltie Crocodile August 1, 2010 at 1:15 am

Hello,
“There are no Christian clergy who have devolved sufficiently to revert to islam”
Turn to You TUBE-’Deenshow” you will see Sheikh Yusf Estee,Josgua Evans,
Jerrard(Ex Harvard ) all were ordained priests reverted to Islam.

“‘YOUR PROOFS OF SCIENCE “”
Go those You TUBE and Islamic websites on science and religion.Just click those words.

Do I have to tell Qibtis how to click the mouse??

SM August 1, 2010 at 2:43 am

There are always people converting to one religion or another,
still the number of voluntary conversions to islam compared to
voluntary conversions to christianity is bleak.
islam depends formost on procreation, force, violence or bribery.
which makes the “membership” unethical, unlawfull, dishonest and
fake. the major world religions are too generalised to make a REAL
impact in numbers. Without real change from within and the renewal of Ruach Yhwh you won’t get anywhere.
Science can not disprove or prove religious scriptures, science is a
variable within the system, it can register the reality, but is heavily
under the influence of human interpretation, but so is religion.
Only Kabod Yhwh can manifest the word, the spirit and the truth.
Systemized religions are only imitation of the one real Qahal Yhwh.
One can make the choice for or against. C’est a vous tous!

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