Geller: what is the national interest of this for us?”

Pamela Geller on Syria Strike: ‘What Is the Objective? Which Al-Qaeda Satellite Are We Partnering With?’


Members of al-Nusra Front (REUTERS/KHALIL ASHAWI)

Pamela Geller, president of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, joined SiriusXM host Raheem Kassam on Friday’s Breitbart News Daily. The conversation began with her thoughts on the previous night’s airstrike against Syria.

“I’m deeply concerned. I don’t understand it,” Geller said. “It seems like a knee-jerk reaction. It doesn’t speak to a coherent policy. It seems to me that Trump has switched sides.” 

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“It does seem that way,” Kassam agreed. “This is what I’ve been saying for now the last 48 hours: there seems to be a malign influence on him. He’s saying things like, hey, we can get you really good coverage. CNN will stop writing ‘Trump’ on its chyron, they’ll start writing ‘President Trump’ on its chyron. Time magazine will put you on the front, and this time it won’t be scary or a joke. We’ll make you look like a leading statesman around the world. All you have to do is compromise on every single thing you said during the campaign.”

“Yeah,” Geller said with a rueful laugh. “I mean, I’m laughing, but I’m laughing with blood. It’s not funny.”

“I don’t know when he began to care. I mean, that was the beauty of Trump. For those of us that have been in the trenches, you have to become inured to this kind of withering criticism. You have to develop a crocodile skin. He seemed to have it. He seemed to have come to the party with it. It was really sort of the most fantastic thing about him,” she said.

“On the one hand, I always console myself with, ‘It’s not Hillary.’ That’s always my mantra. It’s my religion,” she said. “But this really, I think, is a terrible mistake. Back in 2012, my organization American Freedom Defense Initiative, issued a call to President Obama and to the United Nations warning of an impending genocide in Syria. I’ve been acutely aware of what’s going on in Syria. They did nothing, and millions of Christians and religious minorities were slaughtered. I don’t understand this visceral response. And what is the objective? Who are we partnering with? What quote-unquote ‘rebel gang’ – is it al-Nusra? Which al-Qaeda satellite are we partnering with?”

She shared Kassam’s skepticism about the size of the truly “moderate” rebel force in Syria, and whether Western intelligence services could identify real moderates and work with them effectively. Kassam noted ISIS, al-Qaeda, and the other “real, real enemies” of the United States were celebrating the attack, and asked what conclusions should be drawn from it.

“It tells us that we don’t know what we’re doing there,” Geller replied. “I don’t know what we’re doing there. I understand the quote-unquote ‘humanitarian,’ but I’m always first and foremost concerned about national interest. What is the national interest of this for us?”

“Look, Obama gave Syria to Russia. He did. He gave it to Russia, and so this could very well escalate into something truly unforeseen,” she warned. “I just think the United States should have taken action in a comprehensive, and logical, and strategic way years ago. Right now, it’s just a huge catastrophe, and what’s he doing? Is he putting a finger in the dam? I don’t think so. I don’t even think it’s that. Is it just this action?”

Geller stressed that it was President Barack Obama’s policies that led to this moment.

“He turned Syria over to Russia, and so this could escalate to World War III, and for what? For Syria? Seriously?” she said.

“My concern is that like President Bush, President Trump has two factions warring with each other. In the case of President Bush, it was Rumsfeld-Cheney-John Bolton, the hawks as it were, versus the trimmers, versus the RINOs like Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Hadley Burns,” she judged. “And the trimmers always win, because it seems like the safe bet. It seems like the quote-unquote ‘extremists’ are taking it a step too far.”

“But the fact of the matter is, it’s the trimmers that get you into trouble, because you can’t have a bold policy, you can’t go after a bold policy limp-wristed,” Geller warned.

“I’m concerned about McMaster, who is just another one who denies the motivating ideology of the terrorists,” she said of President Trump’s National Security Adviser. “He says jihad terror is not Islamic. This hampers our ability to respond to terrorism effectively. You can’t defeat an enemy that you don’t understand.”

Geller and Kassam found this a contradiction of Trump’s campaign promise to speak forthrightly about the dangers of radical Islamic terrorism.

“He promised to deal effectively with the terrorism problem and call it Islamic,” Geller recalled. “This is exactly what Obama and Hillary refused to do. McMaster represents a defeat for the Trump promise to drain the swamp. It’s a retreat from his stated goals. Believe me, it pains me to say this. It gives me no pleasure.”

“And Mattis, that ‘terrorism defames Islam’ – what book are they reading?” she added. “Are they not reading the Koran? I mean listen, just because you talk about it this way doesn’t mean that all Muslims are terrorists. But we don’t have to pat on the back every Muslim that doesn’t want to kill us.”

“Do you think Jared Kushner or Dina Powell has ever read the Koran cover-to-cover? Do they understand the enemy?” Kassam asked, referring to President Trump’s son-in-law and deputy national security adviser for strategy, respectively.

“No, I think Kushner’s a Manhattan liberal. That’s what I think,” Geller replied. “And I think that he may be a very smart kid, but that’s got nothing to do with the price of eggs in China. I think that he has undue influence. I think that’s why you’re seeing these moves with the settlements in Israel, the quote-unquote ‘two-state solution,’ inviting these Palestinian terrorists into this country…”

Kassam interjected to suggest adding Ivanka Trump’s reported meetings with Planned Parenthood to the list.

“Yes, this is Kushner. I don’t know how much we’re going to have to lose before Trump gets back on track. He’ll have to get back on track, because we’ve suffered under these failed policies, for the past really 15 years,” Geller said, quoting Albert Einstein’s famed admonition that “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result” is the definition of insanity.

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Listen to the full audio of the interview above.

8 thoughts on “Geller: what is the national interest of this for us?””

  1. I certainly share Pamela Geller’s concern. Seems to me the only available alternatives in Syria are an unlovely, brutal dictator, or an ever more brutal Islamic Theocratic State. Thanks, but I’d rather go with the unlovely, brutal dictator. Surely the West has learned something from Mubarak’s ouster in Egypt, and Gadaffi’s in Lybia?

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  2. Excellent analysis by Geller, and I also agree with your post, Gray: it has created havoc that they removed Saddam, Ghadaffi and Mubarak! Utter chaos! These dictators left the Christians alone, and so does Assad. The world is crazy, and why does the West think that democracy can be installed – just like that – in moslem countries? Do they know one bit about islam? Don’t think so…

    Trump should stay out of Syria and let Putin and Assad handle things; they are way more intelligent than the bloke in the White House.

  3. They say the Russians simply strafed a rebel (ISIS) gas-factory warehouse.

    Assad is WINNING against ISIS – so there’s no need for him to have gassed anybody, risking his own people not to mention turning world opinion against himself!

    Remember: the very same “intelligence officers” who told Trump that Assad did it, are the ones appointed by Obama who are out to get and frame Trump himself for nonsensical “crimes” – like for his working for Russia!

    So: Trump either took a cheap shot at Assad to show he’d stand up to Russia BECAUSE he was hosting the Chinese delegation at Mar a Lago at the time (hinting that they’d best reign-in North Korea) or it was DUMB.

    Paul Joseph Watson nailed it, here:

    Smashing that particular Syrian air-base ONLY BENEFITS ISIS!

    It protected a nearby Christian town from being overrun by ISIS jihadis!

    “The predominantly Christian city of Mhardeh in northern Hama has been under rebel attack EVERY SINGLE DAY!

    Crippling that particular air-base and the Syrian army in that region has made it all but inevitable that that town will be overrun and occupied by rebel jihadis.

    Trump’s air-strike directly helped Syrian rebel jihadis to put Christians at risk.

    Even more ominously, now that Steve Bannon seems on his way out, is Jared Kushner’s weaseling his way in:

    From CreepingSharia and BuzzFeed:

    “Trump’s Son-In-Law Secretly Met With Muslim Leaders, Solicited Muslims for Admin Jobs”

    On a January day just before inauguration, a handful of Muslim activists and businessmen gathered in New York for a confidential meeting with Jared Kushner, the son-in-law and close adviser of President Donald Trump.

    Though the transition team was based in Trump Tower, this meeting took place off site, away from the cameras. The goal was a candid talk about what kind of relationship the new administration might forge with American Muslims.

    The Muslims in the room included a prominent imam, a civil rights attorney, the director of a nonprofit that studies violent extremism, and two venture capitalists — one of whom is a partner at Thrive Capital, the firm run by Kushner’s brother, Joshua.

    Kushner set a friendly tone, soliciting ideas for how to improve Trump’s relations with Muslims, urging them to think big and boldly. He assured them that American Muslims weren’t going to be in the crosshairs: The threat was overseas, he said, with “the cancer” of radical Islam.

    Then Kushner surprised the delegates by asking them to recommend candidates for jobs in the administration, including the White House liaison to Muslim communities, a post many had assumed would be scrapped.”

  4. Unlikely Assad was responsible – it is the same old muslim grievance theatre courtesy of the muslim brotherhood and associated pond scum. Very bad move by US. Look for the stench of clintoon on this.

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