Of course I agree with you but I dont think that attacking the burka is anymore than just skirting around the issue like a prize fighter weighing up an unknown opponent to find his weaknesses, the whole sorry concept of Islam and pakinstani immigration and intergration which is where the bulk of this ugly religion and its politcal belief system stems , has in my view ( if any peaceful solution is to be found which looks increasingly unlikely) to be legistlated against as a matter of western goverment policy
Which outlaws Islam altogether as a terrorist creed and a political organisation ,it does not matter that it is also a religion it has proved to the world on countless occassions that it is a more of a politcal movement than the former and as such should be treated like any other organisation that is decidcated to the overtrow of the existing political system.
Trying to accomodate this creed and indeed even change it is impossible the British were in india for over 130 years and has a presence in the middle east for almost as long but exposing western culture and values on these people did not change thier views “one Bit” india had to be partitioned due to islamic protests that they would be outnumbered in any future indian goverment.
Islam is not compatable with any current western liberal democracy and should therefore be outlawed its imans deported, its moques closed, radical muslims deported immediatly.
I fear that the only way in the end to counter these insane islamics will end up being insane Right Wing policies.
Im afraid it is now too late for any milder measures the infection of this backward creed has inbedded itself to deep in our society and will only be extracted by th most extensive surgery
Well said. While I can understand the rationale for banning Qutb inspired separatist attire, such overt salafist symbols can work to our advantage as they do in Singapore and even Djakarta, where such Taliban desert attire alerts the police immediately. But clearly, Asian politicians have a better understanding of the political significance of Salafi trappings, as we in the West clearly don’t. Even our institutionalized “academics” have not taken the time to learn about the political significance of Islam and Islamism. I suspect that this is because legitimizing Islam and ridiculing Western civilization (as inherently racist and unjust) have become a favorite academic pastimes and thereby, a scholarly vacuum now exists where Islam is concerned. I am sure that Said’s “Orientalism” helped produce this vacuum, as well as a generation (or two) of boorish academics (and students) who astutely recognized the shallowness of the old saying ” sticks and stones may break my bones but names…” Yes – in the academic lexicon, “Orientalism” is indeed racism by another name.
It is therefore no surprise that much of Western “academia” knows so little about what it sympathetically opines. Hence, is it any wonder that feminist “academics” can hail the taliban as a “utopian movement” and the burkha it’s symbol “female empowerment?” When anthropology and history lecturers at universities have never heard of “salafism” or “wahhabism” and discussion of such is derided as neo -Nazism? When institutions of higher learning promote this void of inquiry, is it then any surprise that the burkah, salafi beards and white robes are passed off as enriching, multicultural contributions – rather like unleavened bread and hommus?
On the subject of feminism and Islam – Germaine Greer was questioned about the burkha – she worried about peripheral vision when driving a car.
I would add that the main enemy are those that carry the “extreme left wing vision” and act to enforce it. Without the support of these people the islamists would vanish overnight (or on a similar timescale).
I fully agree with Pat Condell.
There is nothing more to say. Having lived for 2 years in a Muslim country. I am sick and tired of how these women of how these women have to live.
Bringing there way of live to Western cultures just does not work.
I just do not understand why they want to live in the West and do not like our way of life. Than go and live in your oqwn country with your own way of life and your own religion.
These death threats against people in the West, just make me sick and tired of these people.
IN THE INTEREST OF HUMAN VALUES AND UNIVERSAL LOVE, WE DIRECT THIS PETITION TO THE WORLD COURT FOR JUDGEMENT.
WE, THE UNDERSIGNED INTERNATIONAL PETITIONERS, REQUEST A BAN ON THE ORGANIZATION CALLED ISLAM. WE REQUEST THIS BAN DUE TO THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF ITS FOUNDER, MOHAMMED AND THE KORAN’S DOCTRINES WHICH PRESENTLY LEGITIMIZES THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF PAEDOPHILIA, ASSASSINATIONS, THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN BY SUPPRESSING THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS, THE PENALTIES OF STONING AND DISMEMBERMENT, THE UTILIZATION OF TERROR AS A WEAPON OF INTIMIDATION AND CONTROL.
I find nothing wrong with the Burka of the Muslim way of Life, or there Koran or the Arab Muslim Mosque and there devotion to Muhammad.
for this culture is so unique,for a Eastern Culture and that is were in should remain.
And should never be aloud to plaque are Towns,Cities &Villages. That has defiled a the whole of kingdom, by the back door. For we our now foreigners in our Own Lands.
Pat Condell always hits the nail on the head albeit tongue in cheek. Not only does he ram the truth into people, but he does it in such a clever, witty way. If he ran for Office, I would definitely vote him in although I admit he would need protection from the apologists and the Muslims who would like to see him dead. What he says in his videos is so true. He does not mince words and he does not care who he offends. He is his own person, a leader of men. What he says, is just plain “common sense”, but then again, “common sense” is not really that common that is why we have such weak Western leaders at the moment bending over backwards to placate Islam and allowing Islamists to do and say and threaten whenever they want, holding our democratic, free speech as an insult to their cock-eyed way of life. A life where there is no free speech or democracy, only hatred for the West. Islam is a huge threat to the Western World as we know it and if we don’t stand up to this threat, we will be literally consumed by it. Where are the leaders that will have the guts to stand up to this threat? Where are the voices of the people and the press? How much will people tolerate before taking up arms themselves? Have we lost our “freedom of speech? Apparently so, when it comes to criticising anything to do with Islam. Our politicians have double standards and that is so evident. Unfortunately we have seen a momentum of Islam throughout the world and if we don’t watch out and do something about this wave of terror in our midst, then we will all pay the price for our ignorant, weak stupidity. Wake up world, you have been asleep too long.
Bravo Pat, but I must offer a correction if I may.
There is no such thing as a moderate/peaceful Muslim. Why do I say that? Because there is no such thing as a Muslim.
What the heck am I talking about?
Well, those who practice Catholicism are called Catholics. Those who practice Judaism are referred to as being Jewish. Followers of Hinduism and Buddhism are called, respectively, Hindus and Buddhist. So why do we called people (for lack of an appropriate word) who follow Islam Muslims? Well, I don’t!
If you follow Islam you are Islamist and should be treated accordingly.
How dare you conflate those on the left with Islamists?
I’m a bleeding heart, San Francisco-residing liberal, and believe the Burka is an abomination. However, I also believe in the U.S. First Amendment. Muslim women should be permitted to wear the Burka in public, but non-muslims should not hesitate to politely and respectfully let them know that, by wearing this garmet, they’re offending us.
We should apply constant social pressure to encourage these women from donning such garments.
As a woman, I agree wholeheartedly with you, Pat! I am an American Democrat. However, I strongly believe that islam = gender apartheid! (Only a lot worse for women than apartheid ever was for black south africans.) Any so-called religion that actually puts to death those who disagree with its supposedly religious teachings, is it would seem,by definition, unworthy of protection under the laws of any democratic country. How can anyone be ignorant of the danger this vicious, violently misogynistic, repressive, ideology poses to any democratic society?
If ever these medieval morons should attempt to enforce this drivel against myself ,or any woman in my presence, they will lose personally important parts.
is going to lose
As a woman, I agree wholeheartedly with you, Pat! I am an American Democrat. However, I strongly believe that islam = gender apartheid! (Only a lot worse for women than apartheid ever was for black south africans.) Any so-called religion that actually puts to death those who disagree with its supposedly religious teachings, is it would seem,by definition, unworthy of protection under the laws of any democratic country. How can anyone be ignorant of the danger this vicious, violently misogynistic, repressive, ideology poses to any democratic society?
If ever these medieval morons should attempt to enforce this drivel against myself ,or any woman in my presence, they will lose personally important parts.
As a niqabi (it’s not called a burka!), it’s my right to wear what I want to wear. We do have such a thing as “Freedom of Religion” & it’s not just limited to your religion or your beliefs. I converted to Islam at 19, still going strong. I’m a white, American woman. I love wearing hijab. Why don’t you stop and talk to us when you see us instead of war-mongering online? Why don’t you go to a mosque and learn something? Because you don’t want to. You just want a conflict and trouble amongst people. It’s vile. & no, you don’t have the right to tell us your opinion on the street & call us that. That’s called harassment and it’s illegal. If you notice, no Muslum stopped you on the street and told you to cover-up … ever … right? We don’t care what you do, so leave us alone as well. Do you even know how many thousands of people are converting to Islam in the West each year? Thousands and thousands. I personally know hundreds of American women who chose Islam and chose to cover. So save the argument that we’re forced. Islam is the fast growing religion and it’s going to be the top religion. Muslims have many more children than non-Muslims. It’s just logic. Even those who hate Islam can’t deny the fact that it’s growing at a rapid pace. Why don’t you go and read the Koran for yourselves or speak to a Muslim?
WOW!!! Pat, I am a big fan!!
I am a woman who was born in a Muslim family and raised in Saudi Arabia. I do not cover my head or face of course and I never felt that Islam is the right religion for me nor any other religion. I was lucky enough to be born in the UK, therefore I (and my kids of course) carry British Passports or as I like to call it the passport to freedom, and although I am free to live my life the way I want beside not being able to drive I still feel that Saudi and the Arab/Islamic world is my prison! my mental prison. I have lived in Saudi unwillingly for too long and I’m praying for freedom. Regarding niqab/burqa I believe and since I live in the land of burqa that women are their own worst enemies! my mother is the one who wanted to force hijab and face cover on us not my father, and this is the case in most of the Muslim families, it is the mothers weakness or power what is behind a girl’s oppression. Regarding the UK I believe that the british government has been giving extremist Muslims too much freedom to practice, advocate and promote their religion and lifestyle. Burqa and Hijab should be banned in all Western countries.
how can you go somewhere to be free and then do sonhietmg that inhibits freedom.Was he argueing saying that they came here to getaway from saudi traditions so as to be free? or was it to be here so they can have the freedom to practice saudi traditions? or was he upset that someone is mocking his traditions therefore he is free to get angry?or that the freedom of wearing the burkha by another religion should be banned. I’m confused.Pakistani men (which is what he seemed to be)have a real macho problem.Their mothers build them up to be so special that when they are put down they get upset very easily.
well said pat.
regards john nielsen,,,,, and merry christmas to you
Of course I agree with you but I dont think that attacking the burka is anymore than just skirting around the issue like a prize fighter weighing up an unknown opponent to find his weaknesses, the whole sorry concept of Islam and pakinstani immigration and intergration which is where the bulk of this ugly religion and its politcal belief system stems , has in my view ( if any peaceful solution is to be found which looks increasingly unlikely) to be legistlated against as a matter of western goverment policy
Which outlaws Islam altogether as a terrorist creed and a political organisation ,it does not matter that it is also a religion it has proved to the world on countless occassions that it is a more of a politcal movement than the former and as such should be treated like any other organisation that is decidcated to the overtrow of the existing political system.
Trying to accomodate this creed and indeed even change it is impossible the British were in india for over 130 years and has a presence in the middle east for almost as long but exposing western culture and values on these people did not change thier views “one Bit” india had to be partitioned due to islamic protests that they would be outnumbered in any future indian goverment.
Islam is not compatable with any current western liberal democracy and should therefore be outlawed its imans deported, its moques closed, radical muslims deported immediatly.
I fear that the only way in the end to counter these insane islamics will end up being insane Right Wing policies.
Im afraid it is now too late for any milder measures the infection of this backward creed has inbedded itself to deep in our society and will only be extracted by th most extensive surgery
Well said. While I can understand the rationale for banning Qutb inspired separatist attire, such overt salafist symbols can work to our advantage as they do in Singapore and even Djakarta, where such Taliban desert attire alerts the police immediately. But clearly, Asian politicians have a better understanding of the political significance of Salafi trappings, as we in the West clearly don’t. Even our institutionalized “academics” have not taken the time to learn about the political significance of Islam and Islamism. I suspect that this is because legitimizing Islam and ridiculing Western civilization (as inherently racist and unjust) have become a favorite academic pastimes and thereby, a scholarly vacuum now exists where Islam is concerned. I am sure that Said’s “Orientalism” helped produce this vacuum, as well as a generation (or two) of boorish academics (and students) who astutely recognized the shallowness of the old saying ” sticks and stones may break my bones but names…” Yes – in the academic lexicon, “Orientalism” is indeed racism by another name.
It is therefore no surprise that much of Western “academia” knows so little about what it sympathetically opines. Hence, is it any wonder that feminist “academics” can hail the taliban as a “utopian movement” and the burkha it’s symbol “female empowerment?” When anthropology and history lecturers at universities have never heard of “salafism” or “wahhabism” and discussion of such is derided as neo -Nazism? When institutions of higher learning promote this void of inquiry, is it then any surprise that the burkah, salafi beards and white robes are passed off as enriching, multicultural contributions – rather like unleavened bread and hommus?
On the subject of feminism and Islam – Germaine Greer was questioned about the burkha – she worried about peripheral vision when driving a car.
Well said commentators! There is little to add to what you have so ably written.
I would add that the main enemy are those that carry the “extreme left wing vision” and act to enforce it. Without the support of these people the islamists would vanish overnight (or on a similar timescale).
I fully agree with Pat Condell.
There is nothing more to say. Having lived for 2 years in a Muslim country. I am sick and tired of how these women of how these women have to live.
Bringing there way of live to Western cultures just does not work.
I just do not understand why they want to live in the West and do not like our way of life. Than go and live in your oqwn country with your own way of life and your own religion.
These death threats against people in the West, just make me sick and tired of these people.
To: International citizens
BAN ISLAM
TO: THE WORLD COURT
IN THE INTEREST OF HUMAN VALUES AND UNIVERSAL LOVE, WE DIRECT THIS PETITION TO THE WORLD COURT FOR JUDGEMENT.
WE, THE UNDERSIGNED INTERNATIONAL PETITIONERS, REQUEST A BAN ON THE ORGANIZATION CALLED ISLAM. WE REQUEST THIS BAN DUE TO THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF ITS FOUNDER, MOHAMMED AND THE KORAN’S DOCTRINES WHICH PRESENTLY LEGITIMIZES THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF PAEDOPHILIA, ASSASSINATIONS, THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN BY SUPPRESSING THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS, THE PENALTIES OF STONING AND DISMEMBERMENT, THE UTILIZATION OF TERROR AS A WEAPON OF INTIMIDATION AND CONTROL.
View Current Signatures
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http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/
I find nothing wrong with the Burka of the Muslim way of Life, or there Koran or the Arab Muslim Mosque and there devotion to Muhammad.
for this culture is so unique,for a Eastern Culture and that is were in should remain.
And should never be aloud to plaque are Towns,Cities &Villages. That has defiled a the whole of kingdom, by the back door. For we our now foreigners in our Own Lands.
Pat Condell always hits the nail on the head albeit tongue in cheek. Not only does he ram the truth into people, but he does it in such a clever, witty way. If he ran for Office, I would definitely vote him in although I admit he would need protection from the apologists and the Muslims who would like to see him dead. What he says in his videos is so true. He does not mince words and he does not care who he offends. He is his own person, a leader of men. What he says, is just plain “common sense”, but then again, “common sense” is not really that common that is why we have such weak Western leaders at the moment bending over backwards to placate Islam and allowing Islamists to do and say and threaten whenever they want, holding our democratic, free speech as an insult to their cock-eyed way of life. A life where there is no free speech or democracy, only hatred for the West. Islam is a huge threat to the Western World as we know it and if we don’t stand up to this threat, we will be literally consumed by it. Where are the leaders that will have the guts to stand up to this threat? Where are the voices of the people and the press? How much will people tolerate before taking up arms themselves? Have we lost our “freedom of speech? Apparently so, when it comes to criticising anything to do with Islam. Our politicians have double standards and that is so evident. Unfortunately we have seen a momentum of Islam throughout the world and if we don’t watch out and do something about this wave of terror in our midst, then we will all pay the price for our ignorant, weak stupidity. Wake up world, you have been asleep too long.
Bravo Pat, but I must offer a correction if I may.
There is no such thing as a moderate/peaceful Muslim. Why do I say that? Because there is no such thing as a Muslim.
What the heck am I talking about?
Well, those who practice Catholicism are called Catholics. Those who practice Judaism are referred to as being Jewish. Followers of Hinduism and Buddhism are called, respectively, Hindus and Buddhist. So why do we called people (for lack of an appropriate word) who follow Islam Muslims? Well, I don’t!
If you follow Islam you are Islamist and should be treated accordingly.
How dare you conflate those on the left with Islamists?
I’m a bleeding heart, San Francisco-residing liberal, and believe the Burka is an abomination. However, I also believe in the U.S. First Amendment. Muslim women should be permitted to wear the Burka in public, but non-muslims should not hesitate to politely and respectfully let them know that, by wearing this garmet, they’re offending us.
We should apply constant social pressure to encourage these women from donning such garments.
Thank you, Cynthia of the bleeding hearts.
Could it be that you believe the lies of Muslims that they wear the burqa voluntarily to please allah or some such?
I would urge you to consider that many have already been murdered for not wearing it, so its not what you would call the ‘freedom to choose’.
You can choose to wear it or being killed for not following the divine commands.
From that perspective the freedom sack doesn’t look so exotic anymore.
As a woman, I agree wholeheartedly with you, Pat! I am an American Democrat. However, I strongly believe that islam = gender apartheid! (Only a lot worse for women than apartheid ever was for black south africans.) Any so-called religion that actually puts to death those who disagree with its supposedly religious teachings, is it would seem,by definition, unworthy of protection under the laws of any democratic country. How can anyone be ignorant of the danger this vicious, violently misogynistic, repressive, ideology poses to any democratic society?
If ever these medieval morons should attempt to enforce this drivel against myself ,or any woman in my presence, they will lose personally important parts.
is going to lose
As a woman, I agree wholeheartedly with you, Pat! I am an American Democrat. However, I strongly believe that islam = gender apartheid! (Only a lot worse for women than apartheid ever was for black south africans.) Any so-called religion that actually puts to death those who disagree with its supposedly religious teachings, is it would seem,by definition, unworthy of protection under the laws of any democratic country. How can anyone be ignorant of the danger this vicious, violently misogynistic, repressive, ideology poses to any democratic society?
If ever these medieval morons should attempt to enforce this drivel against myself ,or any woman in my presence, they will lose personally important parts.
As a niqabi (it’s not called a burka!), it’s my right to wear what I want to wear. We do have such a thing as “Freedom of Religion” & it’s not just limited to your religion or your beliefs. I converted to Islam at 19, still going strong. I’m a white, American woman. I love wearing hijab. Why don’t you stop and talk to us when you see us instead of war-mongering online? Why don’t you go to a mosque and learn something? Because you don’t want to. You just want a conflict and trouble amongst people. It’s vile. & no, you don’t have the right to tell us your opinion on the street & call us that. That’s called harassment and it’s illegal. If you notice, no Muslum stopped you on the street and told you to cover-up … ever … right? We don’t care what you do, so leave us alone as well. Do you even know how many thousands of people are converting to Islam in the West each year? Thousands and thousands. I personally know hundreds of American women who chose Islam and chose to cover. So save the argument that we’re forced. Islam is the fast growing religion and it’s going to be the top religion. Muslims have many more children than non-Muslims. It’s just logic. Even those who hate Islam can’t deny the fact that it’s growing at a rapid pace. Why don’t you go and read the Koran for yourselves or speak to a Muslim?
Yeah, and cancer grows at a far faster rate than the unfortunate host cells.
Mohammedanism’s overpopulation overgrowth is the ideology of the cancer cell.
nice petition. I’m sure that’s really gonna work. (Rolls eyes)
Books related to the subjects of Islamic law and women in Islam.
Sharia Law for non-Muslims – Kindle ($8.84/£ 5.45) and Book: Dr Bill Warner
The Islamic Doctrine of Women – Kindle ($8.62/£ 5.29) and Book: Dr Bill Warner
Cruel and Usual Punishment: The terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law – Kindle ($9.13/£ 5.56) and Book: Nonie Darwish
Lifting the Veil: The True Faces of Muhammad and Islam – Kindle ($2.55/£ 1.58) and Book: I.Q. Al Rassooli
A God Who Hates – Kindle ($10.06/£ 6.13) and Book: Dr Wafa Sultan
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Videos featuring Warner, Darwish and Sultan can be found on YouTube.
WOW!!! Pat, I am a big fan!!
I am a woman who was born in a Muslim family and raised in Saudi Arabia. I do not cover my head or face of course and I never felt that Islam is the right religion for me nor any other religion. I was lucky enough to be born in the UK, therefore I (and my kids of course) carry British Passports or as I like to call it the passport to freedom, and although I am free to live my life the way I want beside not being able to drive I still feel that Saudi and the Arab/Islamic world is my prison! my mental prison. I have lived in Saudi unwillingly for too long and I’m praying for freedom. Regarding niqab/burqa I believe and since I live in the land of burqa that women are their own worst enemies! my mother is the one who wanted to force hijab and face cover on us not my father, and this is the case in most of the Muslim families, it is the mothers weakness or power what is behind a girl’s oppression. Regarding the UK I believe that the british government has been giving extremist Muslims too much freedom to practice, advocate and promote their religion and lifestyle. Burqa and Hijab should be banned in all Western countries.
how can you go somewhere to be free and then do sonhietmg that inhibits freedom.Was he argueing saying that they came here to getaway from saudi traditions so as to be free? or was it to be here so they can have the freedom to practice saudi traditions? or was he upset that someone is mocking his traditions therefore he is free to get angry?or that the freedom of wearing the burkha by another religion should be banned. I’m confused.Pakistani men (which is what he seemed to be)have a real macho problem.Their mothers build them up to be so special that when they are put down they get upset very easily.