Tariq Ramadan: “an outsider (infidel) cannot understand the glorious Koran!”
* Childish, silly, obsessive and delusional: frere Tariq, this ‘world reknown scholar of Islam’, gives us a deep look into his twisted and irrational psyche, while he sings with typical oriental hyperbole the praises of the Koran, that awful book that keeps more than a billion Muhammadans worldwide in shackles.
* Now this PoS is what Islamofascists call a ’scholar’: Western dimwits pay him handsomely to lecture at time honored institutions of higher learning, but all it ever amounts to is da’awa, proselytizing in the name of Islam, because Islam must dominate, because Islam, Islam is all that matters…
Tariq Ramadan Derailment Watch
The Islamist Argument on the Koran
In the January 6 issue of the New York Times Book Review, Tariq Ramadan has an essay that argues, in its essence, that non-believers cannot really read or understand the Koran-because it speaks exclusively to believers.
One’s heart, Ramadan argues, is one’s guide for understanding the Koran, and the heart can only lead you once “the heart has made the message of Islam its own.”
So, in essence, an outsider (infidel) cannot understand the text, therefore an outsider really cannot have a valid opinion about the text because an outsider does not understand what he or she is talking about, because it is not on a rational plane.
This is an argument that, of course, means looking at the historial record of Islam, the more explicit verses on killing Jews and infidels, and waging _jihad_, as well as the true meaning of _jihad_, cannot be debated by infidels.
Islamists themselves will define the texts and their meaning for us, on their terms exclusively. We need not bother even trying.
That is akin to saying that, if one is not a born again Christian one should not attempt biblical scholarship, and perhaps some argue that. In reality, the historical texts can be read, examined, looked at for internal consistencies and inconsistencies, debated and dissected.
That is the rational response to the endeavor to understand history. One can have a different interpretation of texts one believes to be divine, but that does not negate the validity of scholarship.
This leads directly to the issue raised by the decision of the Joint Chiefs to not allow attorney and US Army intelligence reserve Major Stephen Coughlin to continue with his work on Islamic law in the Pentagon.
The main problem for the Islamists such as Hasham Islam, and their fellow travelers, such as ISNA, MPAC, Fiqh Council and AMCE, inside and around the Pentagon who worked to get rid of him, is that Coughlin, as a non-Muslim, and a legal scholar, with decade of experience in legal texts working for Westlaw and LexisNexis, as well as in military intelligence, often knew the Islamic texts better than the Islamists themselves. Coughlin’s MA thesis is in Islamic law.
How embarrassing to have a non-believer who is an expert on Sharia law, and the Islamic texts, be able to debate intelligently and articulately, and use the texts themselves to inform their analysis and argument.
The answer, of course, is to say he cannot understand because he is not a Muslim. This is a classic logical fallacy. Nevertheless, this argument seems to have prevailed, at least for the moment, in Coughlin’s case. As Bill Gertz has reported, there seems to be some rallying to his defense and against the indefensible action of silencing the only true scholar in these issues that the Pentagon has.
* This is important! Read the whole thing!
Update:
In last years conference ‘Islam in Europe’ it was Tariq Ramadan who proclaimed the most worrying statement: The real intentions of Euroislam must be concealed from the general public. Quite a harsh and frank statement, considering that he must anticipate being quoted in the media. But maybe he just cynically relies on the negligence of “the infidels”?
Although much embarrassing criticism has been published about Tariq Ramadan and his version of Euroislam, it hasn’t done much harm to his reputation as a modern and moderate European Muslim who sincerely wants to work for the peaceful integration of Muslims into Western societies. Tariq Ramadan continues to be a frequent and acknowledged guest at official conferences all over Europe, not least in the Nordic countries, where he lately has been used as an expert on countering the radicalization of Muslim youths, among other things. He is held in high esteem among young educated Danish Muslims.
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January 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
What the bloody hell is Ramadan smoking? I tried to read his NY Times article and it is just as freakin bizarre as the Koran. One jumbled freakin Coney Island freak out zone!!!!!! These people are demented along with the freakin media who indulge this crap!!!!!!!!!
January 12th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Oh, wait. That’s the point. I’m an infidel. Therefore I can’t understand Ramadan either.
January 12th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
* “an outsider (infidel) cannot understand the glorious Koran!”
On the one hand, infidels cannot understand the Koran. On the other hand, we are being
led into an “Alliance of Civilizations” with those whe seek to destroy us … the UN pursues
its iron & clay “solution” …
* Ban Ki-moon to attend Madrid forum on bridging divide between Islam and West
* http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0801/S00127.htm
… the madness continues; the delusion grows stronger, and the bloodfest more imminent.
January 12th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
This isn’t even a sick joke anymore, it’s a bloody dangerous one. Anyone else wonder when the politicians and the media will have their epiphany about islam, you know the epiphany any sane person would have had many years ago? Any day now……any day now.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
… the madness continues; the delusion grows stronger, and “THE BLOODFEST MORE IMMINENT”.
January 12th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
The problem is Islam is a religion. If it were a non-theist ideology - like Naziism, there would be no problem in condemning it!!
January 12th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
“Madrid will also see the launch of a multi-million dollar Alliance of Civilizations Media Fund, an initiative that will be run independently of the UN and set up by private philanthropists and media agencies to “support major film productions that help to promote cross-cultural understanding and combat stereotypes.” ”
Goebbels and Troskey would be proud of this new agi-pop machine.
January 12th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Remember … you can’t understand Mein Kampf, unless you are a Nazi… after all only a true believer would understand the subtle nuances and verbage used… errr… ya… that’s the ticket.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
So, basically unless you accept islam (which is about that easy, unlike other religions which take a few or more sessions) all of a sudden then one can understand it?! One has an epiphany once you say a couple of words of a sort of ‘I do’ to isalm?!
I think that the part of the acceptance of islam is that one has to scramble the brains up and then, and only then, can one understand the koran - because it is about that nonsensically violent. It is a book on tactics if you want to look at it that way. And that is why the don’t want you reading it - especially those Medina (violent) versese which are surahs 8 and 9.
January 13th, 2008 at 3:26 am
If an infidel can’t understand the inglorious Koran then why do they seek to convert us? Talk about stupid.
January 13th, 2008 at 5:15 am
All you islamaphobic infidels should read how wonderful and glorious is the Koran in this enlightening article from Memri.
The ‘Science’ Behind Healing with Koranic Holy Water. Sure beats Christian holy water!
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD179808
January 13th, 2008 at 5:17 am
It’s a revolution of monumental proportions in the medical field, the incision into the brain to perform a lobotomy is no longer required, it’s a miracle I tell you!!!
January 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
* One’s heart, Ramadan argues, is one’s guide for understanding the Koran
Unlike Christianity, where it is the Holy Spirit who will guide into all truth (John 16:13).
Unlike Christianity, where Jesus Christ and His father are one, Islam mocks and blasphemes
against Jesus Christ and claims that He was not crucified. Muslims may mock Jesus Christ and his sacrificial death and resurrection, but God will have them in derision … they are indeed “misunderstanders” of Christianity, and rejecters of God’s unmerited gift of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ.
Blasphemy such as this won’t go unnoticed, even if Christians have no mandate (or desire)
to rampage through the streets calling for those who blaspheme against Jesus Christ to be
beheaded …
http://www.arabtimesonline.com/client/pagesdetails.asp?nid=10722&ccid=18
[blasphemous] ‘Islamic Jesus’ hits Iranian movie screens
No point in the “interfaith” crowd babbling on about “building bridges”, “common ground”
and “dialogue” between Islam and Christianity, when Islam is inherently blasphemous
against God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
January 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Spencer sez:
I do not accept the foggy mystical idea that the Qur’an can only be understood in the Arabic original. Most Muslims today do not speak Arabic, and Arabic is a human language that can be translated like any other. If what you have asserted about Arabic were true, no Muslims would ever translate the Qur’an. Yet large numbers of Muslim translations exist. The idea that the Qur’an can only be understood in Arabic is simply an obfuscation thrown up by defensive Muslims who want to prevent non-Muslims from reading it and seeing what’s in there, or allowing themselves to understand what’s in there when they read it.
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From Nick:
Allah made the Qur’an clear, simple and easy? (44:58 54:22 54:32 54:40)and nowhere does Allah say “my words must be read with help of commentaries and tasfirs”? Allah asks the Muslims to believe the literal meaning and forbade interpretations in Qur’an 3:7 “He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture as well as multiple
meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning…”
Tasfir ibn Kathir (3:7): “Allah states that in the Qur’an, there are Ayat that are Muhkamat, entirely clear and plain, and these are the foundations of the Book which are plain for everyone. And there are Ayat in the Qur’an that are Mutashabihat not entirely clear for many, or some people. The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. As for the Mutashabihat Ayat, they include the abrogated Ayat, parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented. (So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation) meaning, those who are misguided and deviate from truth to falsehoood (they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof) meaning, they refer to the Mutashabih, because they are able to alter its meanings to conform with their false interpretation since the wordings of the Mutashabihat encompass such a wide area of meanings. As for the Muhkam Ayat, they cannot be altered because they are clear and, thus, constitute unequivocal proof against the misguided people. This is why Allah said,
(seeking Al-Fitnah) meaning, they seek to misguide their following by pretending to prove their innovation by relying on the Qur’an — the Mutashabih of it — but, this is proof against and not for them. For instance, Christians might claim that [`Isa is divine because] the Qur’an states that he is Ruhullah and His Word, which He gave to Mary, all the while ignoring Allah’s statements,(He [`Isa] was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.) [43:59], and, Al-Bukhari recorded a similar Hadith in the Tafsir of this Ayah [3:7], as did Muslim in the book of Qadar (the Divine Will) in his Sahih, and Abu Dawud in the Sunnah section of his Sunan, from `A’ishah; “The Messenger of Allah recited this Ayah,(It is He Who has sent down to you the Book. In it are verses that are entirely clear,)
“Verses that are entirely clear.” “Entirely clear and plain”. You know, like kill the unbelievers.
Can you tell us in what way kill the unbelievers actually means kiss the unbelievers?
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