Second question for Solkhar, Islamic troll
by sheikyermami on August 18, 2009
The Religion of Peace, which is known to have “more than 70 rules to urinate and defecate“, prescribes the usage of an “uneven number of pepples, not dung or bones, for they are the food of the jinn…” for cleaning the anus.
Solkhar, please answer truthfully and without blaming da Jooozzz, Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders, nuns or fundamentalist Christians: Do you believe in using uneven numbers of pebbles and are dung and bones the food of the jinn?
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This is a satirical website. None of what you read here has anything to do with Islam, because Islam is a Religion of Peace. Everybody knows that good Muslims never do the things they do, (because Allah does it for them, Quran 8:12) and we know that only our misperceptions, ignorance and stereotyping of Islam makes Muslims chop off heads, kill and rape women and children, bomb subways, buses, nightclubs and fly jets into buildings. If it wasn't for the media and da Jooozzz, we wouldn't even know its happening.
We welcome open, honest, thoughtful, and vigorous discussion in the comments threads, so do yourself a favour and don't accuse us of being 'haters' because we are loving, tolerant people. Don't curse us, don't threaten us with death or hellfire, and don't accuse us of being "just like the terrorists" because we don't do to Muslims what they do to us or to themselves. Yes, we know that only idiots oppose Islam and sensible people submit, but you should know that we are ignorant bigots, hypocrites and Islamophobes, and we prefer to remain that way...
But since you are forcing yourselves (and your abhorrent belief-system on us) we will defend ourselves, because we must. Avoid tu quoque and ad hominem attacks. Don't bother with circular reasoning either, we been there, done it. If you annoy us, you will be banned and your posts summarily deleted.
Try to add to the discussion, don't try to sell snake oil, don't try to cover us with Islamic shrouds of kitman and taqiyya, don't bother with da'awa, (we've heard it before) don't spam us with long pieces of cut & paste, write in English, try to tell the truth,
(we know that's hard for you because you are all pathological liars) but the truth will set you free, try it!
One more thing: don't think you can post here under multiple monikers. You will quickly be disappeared! The same goes for
trufers and conspiracy kooks: you get one chance, one time. Blow it out of your ass if you must; put your stupidity on display.
But you won't be back, trust me on that.
Take a deep breath before you post, try to make some sense, do not just vent, do not make a fool of yourself and if you prove us wrong you can earn 10 Islamic dollars for your piggy bank. Deal?
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So now you have to go and make up the 10 questions that you insultingly accused me of avoiding – before you even had them. Rather pathetic don’t you think.
References of what was needed to explain to the masses in the 7th century does not have to be read literally for those of today. Thus I do not use pebbles. I find it interesting how Jews and Christians (except for radicals and fundamentalists) do not have to take the words in their religous texts literally but anal-retentive right-wingers with anti-Islam objectives do.
Thus it is easy to understand the message behind this, that taking care of your hygiene was important and that those habits without correct guidance can be detrimental to society including hygiene. Now that was not difficult is it.
How about you answer the question that your reputation relies on Blogger. As based on your pathetic accussation, give me evidence of the Five Schools of Islam formally declaring a Jihad.
Go ahead, prove that there is something hanging down there.
Wasn’t Mahomet the “perfect man” and the “consummate example of beautiful conduct” valid for all times? If so, then surely the fact that the said Mahomet wiped his arse using an uneven number of pebbles has nothing to do with the particular sanitary conditions to be found in seventh-century Arabia, but is an example to be followed by all Mahometans of all times. The fact that you personally do not use pebbles is implicitly an insult against Mahomet. Do you claim to know better than Mahomet? Do you think you are better than Mahomet because you (presumably) use bogpaper?
Again, to argue, for example, that marriage to and molestation/rape of nine-year-old girls, another example of Mahomet’s “beautiful” conduct, was merely a cultural practice peculiar to seventh-century Arabia would be to contradict the self-proclaimed universal message of Islam.
If anyone is “anally retentive” it is Mahometans, given the overwhelming scatological obsessions of the Sunna and Hadiths. You certainly won’t find seventy individual rules relating to urination and defecation in the corpus of Christian and Judaic texts.
And as for taking care of hygiene, I don’t see how drinking camel piss – which Mahomet also recommended – contributes to a healthy society.
And as for having anti-Islam objectives and views, I can think of nothing nobler, given that Islam is the vilest doctrine ever to have afflicted humanity.
gongfarmer…
love your work !! your rock ….
I can’t get the smile off my face after reading your post …
typo on last post:
you rock !!
Oh and Solkhar, I don’t discriminate. I hate all religions equally and spend as much time on anti-xtian sites as anti-islamic sites. In fact there is nothing more pleasurable for an atheist then to see fundamentalists from opposing religions debunking each other’s childish superstitions.
Interesting that “modern” muslims working in the UK health system
and elsewhere are refusing to wash their arms because of “modesty”,
or to use antiseptic gels because they contain alcohol, thus putting
patient health at risk. Might as well stick with pebbles, & milk UK
dhimmy taxpayers when they clog up the council house plumbing.
The joys of Ramavan will soon be here, what have the peaceful ones
planned for our destruction this year?
To put it in logical terms, Solkhar, either:
a) Mahomet was the perfect man and is therefore the human model par excellence, to be imitated in all times and in all things without exception, and that includes wiping your arse with pebbles, drinking camel piss, marrying pre-pubescent girls, raping captive infidel women, massacring unbelievers, etc.
or
b) Mahomet is only to be imitated in those things most convenient to your twenty-first-century comfort (e.g. bogpaper instead of pebbles, abstention from camel piss, etc.), ergo his perfection was relative and historically conditioned, ergo he lied about being the perfect man for all times, ergo he was a false prophet, ergo Islam is a false religion.
Which is it to be?
Solkhar you keep going for the HISTORY BOOK option for the Krap Kran so is it or is it not the ‘ACTUAL unalterable word of God’ and ‘for all men for all time.’ Because if its just a 7rth Century INSTRUCTION/HISTORY MANUAL it just cant be that can it. BTW the Bible and the New Testament were ALL written by men and are DESCRIPTIVE unlike the Krap Kran which is PRESCRIPTIVE and SUPPOSED to be Gods words. Come on even a very LOW GRADE intellect like you should be able to know the difference. Sorry to burst your Taqqiya bubble AGAIN but seeing you spew your PATHETIC NONSENSE really makes me laugh.
To gongfarmer,
There is more to life than just wipping arse with pebbles etc…
To start with clearly its MuhammadSAW and not Mahomet. In those days while the arabs wisely wiped their arse with pebbles, while the rest of the world still walked around with flies on their arse. Islam is a way of life and submissive of one’s “nafs” desires to the one almighty creator.
To hbg,
Yes, there is more to life than just that. In fact, that was precisely my point. If there is more to life than that, why then was Mahomet (Muhammed, Mohammed, Muhammad, whatever) so pruriently obsessed with the subject that there are no less than seventy separate teachings about micturation and defecation in the Islamic “holy” texts, the Sunna and the Hadiths? Jesus Christ, for example, makes no mention of the subject whatsoever, as it is wholly irrelevant to the spiritual promise of eternal life. Islam, by contrast, seems grossly materialistic, psychopathologically obsessed with elaborate superstitious rituals regarding clean/unclean bodily fluids, discharges etc.
What is this “SAW” you append to the name of the False Prophet?
[Solkhar] “As based on your pathetic accussation, give me evidence of the Five Schools of Islam formally declaring a Jihad.”
I wouldn’t obsess too much over what the Five Schools of Islam did
formally or informally… if current events are any indicator, all five
are about to get their report cards – Fail, Fail, Fail, Fail, and Fail.
While Solkhar obsesses over “right-wingers”, “agenda-based” blog sites and all his other diversions, Iran (aka Persia) is preparing to
fulfil its prophetic destiny by calling for a massive muslim army …
[Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's spokesman, Ali Saeedi, said countries like Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan should gather together all their forces in order to make drastic changes to prepare for the coming of al-Mahdi al-Montazar, Arabic for "the awaited guided one."
"We still have a long way to go in order to achieve this. We have to train honest forces that can stop the obstacles that may hinder the coming of the Mahdi like the United States and Israel," Saeedi said
in statement posted by the Iranian Labor News Agency (ILNA).]
(alarabiya.net/articles/2009/08/17/82081)
When God is ready, He will bring it on, as revealed through His prophets, such as Ezekiel, and destroy the invaders utterly, leaving
Israel to locate the bodies & body parts at Hamangog (Hamona).
Muslim “radicals” lure victims to their doom with promises of
“black-eyed virgins”, “seventy two virgins” and the like. In the
Iran – Iraq war, Iranian boys were given plastic keys to paradise,
and sent to the front lines to clear mines & the like. Many of them
died, and may by now know that they were dudded – the plastic
trinkets were worthless.
Any trinkets / virgins / ??? that Ali Khamenei, Ahmadinejad etc
offer the gullible will likewise be … worthless.
What are the Five Schools of Islam? I’ve never heard of it.
Interesting that the comment about hygiene with UK health workers, it was a big story here in Morocco and a great laugh. My wife is a doctor and the largest international hospital in Rabat and if you do not wash your hands and your arms your dismissed very, very quickly. They installed cameras and record the days so that the supervisors run and tick off the correct work. She recently attended a health standards conference in Malta and she noted how even in some very poor government hospitals some countries they may have almost nothing but at least they had the ability to sterelize and wash their hands.
Radicals are radicals and it should be stamped out.
I will not answer any more questions until the blog-owner admits to this blog being a non-serious wank. He refuses to answer the question that I have given, he will avoid it and that is clear.
The question is valid, as the entire system changes if even one of those Schools declares a Jihad because the subject is important. In the end, most Mosques in the Muslim World are based on these Schools. Do not confuse radicals, they are a minority, but the Schools represent the vast majority and their words are considered significant to the day-to-day lives of most Muslims. Right now we are days away from the beginning of Ramadan, the day it start in which region is based on which School represents the area. At the end of Ramadan, even the Schools in conjunction with governments will set the Zakat, the amount that should be given to the poor.
To diminish the role of the Five Schools is a big mistake and puts to question your knowledge of the most critical factors that effect Muslim life.
I repeat the question again, as per the accussation of the blog-owner – were is the evidence that the establishement of Islam – which is the Five Schools of Islam – that they have declared and support any Jihad?
Because, the answer is there is none. In fact, the last time they did was during the Crusades, because as much as the blog-owner will lie through his teeth – a Jihad means to defend Islam. The blog-owner can BS about radicals and militant Islamists claiming such (what you call jihadists) but they are all doing so unsactioned and unrecognized by anyone except their own groups – and of course right -wing BS artists like the blog-owner.
Chat to you next week – unless of course he answers the question, and I might respond from my hotel, if I log-on.
Gong farmer……love your posts..
Solkhar…when I was living in SEAsia..a large number of jihadists from Indonesia came to a nearby island populated by a peaceful , humble Catholic community..and told the people to convert or they would be be beheaded. There was mass slaughter which very soon after was followed by the mass circumcision of 1,500 children. This is your islam..pretty isn’t?
Completely off-topic, but while googling for stuff about the 5 schools
of islam, I came across this “teaching idea” from once-Great Britain:
teachingideas.co.uk/re/fivepillars
The Five Pillars of Islam
Tell the children about the Five Pillars (described below).
* SHAHADAH. This Pillar is believing and saying the words. “There is no god except Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah”.
* SALAH. This Pillar is praying five times a day. There are set prayers which Muslims should say, and all Muslims should face Mecca in Arabia when praying, and should pray on a prayer mat. People should wash before they pray. There are fixed movements, which include kneeling with the forehead placed on the ground in front. This expresses the servant status of the human being in relation to Allah.
* ZAKAH. Each year, Muslims are supposed to give a fixed proportion of their savings for endeavours such as helping the poor. In this way, they believe that their wealth is “made pure”
* SAWM. Refraining from food and drink during the month of Ramadan during daylight hours.
* HAJJ. This is making a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in your life, if it can be afforded.
4) Get the children to create a poster explain the Five Pillars of Islam to children and adults who know nothing about them. The children could use any reference material available, such as books, pictures and CD-ROM.
theresaj,
earlier this year hindu readicals decided that every single Christian in their region of Assam had to renounce Christianity or burn in a fire, thousands died and more fleed. Does that represent Hinduism?
10 plus years ago, Serbian Orthodox nationals said that they could not accept non-Chrisitians within the frontiers of greater-Serbia – the war crimes tribunal hearings continue to this day. Does that represent the various Eastern Orthodox Church?
We can spend all day citing crimes and I can list as many as you can I am sure, if not more. Man has always caused the most horrible of crimes and have always claimed God or The Gods on their side. Sometimes they are themselves religous zealots and radicals, sometimes they are poltical, cultural, racially or tribal related, such as the mix that was the Rawandan Genocide. Even the Holocaust was a combination of many reasons, all of course resutling in an evil.
The point is, do not attempt to lecture me about the evils of Islam and then cite examples of individual acts and justify them as being a collective cause. It simply does not stick.
Solkhar and the “tiny minority of extremists”- could you do us a favor and sort them out for us? The last time we checked more than 60% of Muhammad worshippers in Britain wanted sharia. In the mosques, they are planning the takeover of the country. Are they moderate or extremists for you?
The repeated (misleading) question “as per the accussation of the blog-owner – were is the evidence that the establishement of Islam – which is the Five Schools of Islam – that they have declared and support any Jihad?” is another red herring, another attempt to mislead, to detract and to obfuscate the central duty of Mohammedans to make the world Islamic. Solkhar is trying to make believe that, since there is no central command structure, no central authority and no Caliph there is no jihad.
This, as we all know (we can see it daily in 30+ jihad theaters of war around the world) is of course absurd. The jihadists believe they are ‘defending Islam’- even when they are on the offensive, so Solkhars arguments are just wordplay. The jihad is permanent and relentless, and the intention,the mission is clear:
Ibn Khaldun:
Solkhar knows this, of course, but he concedes nothing according to the Muhammedan doctrine of “WAR IS DECEIT”- and Islam is always at war since its inception. That has to be understood. A temporary reprieve, a hudna, can only be agreed on when the Muslims are weak. All treaties with the soldiers of Allah are based on the treaty of Hudaybiyah, which means as soon as the hudna is agreed, the Moslems regroup and wait in ambush to attack again when they are stronger.
Peace can only be achieved when all unbelievers are conquered, subjugated, enslaved, forcibly converted to Islam or killed, unless they pay the jiziyah with willing submission in a state of humiliation.
We know all this and more, everything has been documented and the strategem of Muhammedan warfare is deeply rooted in Koran, sira and hadith. The writings of Maududi, (the art of Islamic warfare) Sayib Qutb and many more have been cited and can be found in the annals of this blog and on many other websites. That a non-scholar, a deceitful, mischievous detractor like Solkhar comes on the scene with little or no knowledge at all, denies everything from the meaning of da’awa to FGM, from child-marriage to jihad and honor killing, is brazen, offensive and insulting.
We know enough about the global jihad and about the Mohammedan madness. Here is more
hbg,
Your knowledge of history is fairly poor – good hygiene practices were quite common in the middle ages. However Arabs stopped developing by the time Europe had entered the middle ages – in a very real sense the singular greatest achievement of arabs was the total stagnation of their societies, mostly due to islam. In terms of the numerous atrocities that are claimed by muslims on a very regularly basis, the motivation is always the same, with references to islam and the quran given on a repetitive basis. Thus Solkhar’s argument that collective responsibility cannot be justified is actually weak. Since these criminals justify their actions in terms of the quran, it seems indeed that a collective responsibility is valid. Rather than arguing against the claim that muslims are up to no good, it would be more productive for muslims to starting thinking how muslims can be trained to live and coexist with others in peace and how they can actually start living up to their potential. Ditching the quran and mohammed would be a very good start.
Solkhar won’t “answer any more questions until the blog-owner admits to this blog being a non-serious wank.”
Which might be cause for the blog-owner to bar Solkhar, though I have rarely seen that happen here, if at all.
But I will be interested to see how Solkhar and his fellow followers of
the false prophet respond to the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Temple,
given that Biblical prophecies indicate that it will be built, in spite of
muslim claims that it ever was the Temple of God, or that it will be
rebuilt.
When the foundation stone is laid, I suspect that any remaining
muslims, regardless of which “school” they follow, will know that
it is over for them and their false prophet, and they can threaten jihad, or un-jihad, in vain.
Israelis want temple rebuilt at Al-Aqsa site
Mohammed Mar’i | Arab News
RAMALLAH: A news survey conducted by the Israeli Ynet news service and the Gesher organization found that about two thirds of the Israeli public want the Second Temple rebuilt. Gesher claims a 4.6 margin of error on a survey of 516 Israelis.
The Temple Mount, which is the foundation of the First and Second temples is today home to Islam’s third-holiest mosque, Al-Aqsa. The Second Temple, built by Herod the Great, was destroyed in 70 A.D. when the Romans sacked Jerusalem.
[...]
The deputy chief of the Islamic Movement inside Israel Sheikh Kamal Al-Khatib asserted that the temple would never be rebuilt.
“If the Jews think that their mourning will end and they will rejoice by destroying Al-Aqsa Mosque and building their temple, we say to them that their dream will not be fulfilled and they will continue to mourn,” he told Arab News yesterday. “Al-Aqsa is for Muslims only.”
[...]
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After the battle described in Ezekiel 38 and 39, there may not be
too many muslims left – only bodies and body parts for the Jews
to collect and bury at Hamangog. So much death and destruction
for one false prophet.
Expect nothing but a complete meltdown, Mullah!
Solkhar..I was not lecturing you..and what I referred to was much more than a crime. It was barbarity at its best. Whether in a thousand lifetimes you will ever admit it , islam wins hands down in the barbarity stakes.
You refer to the holocaust so you will know that a German general once said that Mohammedans make the best soldiers because they can all kill without a conscience.
^ and TheresaJ
to further your argument, Hitler once said:
“if Germany were a muslim nation, it would conquer the entire world”
theresaj,
solkhar is a male muslim – the very fact the you, as a woman, do not accept a muslim males bleating as the absolute truth is a huge insult to the average muslim male – and muslim males are very average. You have lived amongst these muslim parasites – you know what they are like and what barbarity they are capable of. Muslims also make the best executioners because they kill without reason or conscience, but they make very bad soldiers because they have no moral fibre or courage – this is why Israel has destroyed the “might” of the Arab world several times to date. If the terms of engagement were changed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and infantile EU PC polticians were not allowed to dictate terms of engagement (this is the reason why one senior UK commander has resigned) there would be very few taliban left and paki land would be a smoke filled crater. The only significant contribution of muslims to the Nazi war effort was in the murder of unarmed Polish men, women and children. As soldiers against the allies they (the muzz scum) were absolute failures. The joke is that we have two generation of arab muslims, filled with false history, claiming achievements of others as their own, and demanding respect for behaving like spoilt juvenile thugs!! Not a good recipe
for integration!!!! By example muslims lead in sheer depravity and barbarity
- and this is one of many reasons why islam must be destroyed.
I still want to know what is the Five Schools of Islam. Five pillars I’ve heard of, but as far as I know anybody can issue a fatwa. Does anybody know what he’s talking about?
Kaw,
Yes I got that Solkar was particularly annoyed with me…he said that I was attempting to lecture him…He did not say that any of you men were lecturing him…
I read several books years ago by a French author whose name escapes me..possibly Dominic…? He was a journalist who had written for the Paris Match. One book was about the creation of the state of Isreal and the amazing Golda Meir. His overall summary of the difference between the Israelis and the Arabs was that the Israelis were very cool , calm and collected and very intelligent…The Arabs in contrast were very emotional people…with few leaders.. It probably did not help that over time the Israelis were so good at pinging off Arab leaders but the weakness is in the people themslves.
uzza, apparently they are Shafiism, Hanbalism, Hanafism, Malikism and Shism.
(http things) afosa.org/Lib.php
The Five Schools Of Islamic Law
This book presents generally a jurisprudential comparative study of the five schools of Islam; Shafiism, Hanbalism, Hanafism, Malikism and Shism.
Mullah L;
Thank you.
uzza:
There is not a single traditional school of Islamic jurisprudence that does not teach that it is an obligation of the Muslim community to wage war against unbelievers and subjugate them under the rule of Islamic law.
Here is proof:
Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh ‘Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).
Of course, there is no caliph today, and hence the oft-repeated claim that Osama et al are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes “obligatory for everyone” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).
Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”
However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)
Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.
Robert Spencer
More than seventy rules for urination and defecation, all controlled by a “religion”. Muslims are so bizarre. They are utterly obsessed with bodily fluids, especially those of women.
My parents taught me me all I ever needed to know about toileting, all four rules:
Don’t go in your pants. Wipe yourself afterwards. Flush the toilet. Wash your hands thoroughly.