“Muslims are Australian citizens. They have a right to look at changing the system”

People who migrated to Australia came here to live in a free and democratic society, not to live under sharia.  We need to stop Muslims from using citizenship to conquer us by stealth and to “change the system”, to force us to live as slaves (dhimmies) under the shari’a. I would also dispute that Muslims “have the right to change the system”- they don’t. What they are doing is treacherous, it is sedition.

“Muslims are Australian citizens. They have a right to look at changing the system”
  • First deradicalisation grants awarded, but extremism still poorly understood
  • Sums of up to $50,000 have been given to community  Muslim groups to help stop the flow of young people to Syria and Iraq, but in an atmosphere of mistrust, the program’s success is far from certain

It is absolute madness to pay Muslims to stop wannabe headchoppers to join the Islamic state. We should encourage and assist them to join the Islamic state as best as we can, and we should NEVER allow them to return. (SY)

The Guardian

The federal government scheme hopes to discourage young Muslims from going to Syria or Iraq.
 The federal government scheme hopes to discourage young Muslims from going to Syria or Iraq. Photograph: Gail Orenstein/NurPhoto/REX

Nine months – and at least four allegedly foiled plots – since the government first announced its $1.6m deradicalisation program, the first grants have been given to mosques, sporting groups and community organisations.

Throwing pearls to swine.

Sums of up to $50,000 have been handed out to 34 groups so far amid hopes the scheme will help stem the flow of young Muslims to Syria and Iraq or disrupt an act of mass-murder at home.

What a waste.

What fuels radicalisation is complex and poorly understood. (Islam, nothing but Islam.) But the sorts of programs being funded by the Attorney General’s Department paint a picture of how Australia’s Muslim communities view the phenomenon, and how they intend to fight it.

Silma Ihram, from the Australian Muslim Women’s Association, will use the money to develop a formal qualification for Muslim mentors based in Sydney.

As she sees it, troubled or lost young people will naturally seek guidance. “The problem is that for all those people teaching Muslims, whether in public or private schools, sports groups or prisons, there’s no qualification or oversight, no guarantee they’ve got the required skills,” she says.

“We want to get training into place so that anybody who’s mentoring Muslims is a lot more skilled in being able to recognise problems such as anger management, domestic abuse, issues with family breakup, depression,” Ihram says. “All of those things that result in kids being susceptible to an aggressive ideology.”

Part of that training would including tackling the narrative of radical groups head-on. “We want to make sure that as part of the training they understand what Islamsays about peace-building. There’s some very strong information that’s been put out by highly trained Muslim scholars refuting the basis of Isis propaganda.”

BS on steroids. If that is the case, why not make it public? Don’t you think we should  be able to have a look at it and see  how these “highly trained Muslim scholars are  refuting the basis of Isis propaganda?”

It would also include a crash course in Australia’s political and legal systems to demonstrate “that this is in fact a pretty good country”.

“Australia has come from a white Australia policy to a multicultural policy. It’s got ombudsmen and a lot of institutions set up to uphold your rights,” she says.

“We work closely with the Muslim Legal Network, which is constantly fighting for people’s rights, but the average person doesn’t know how to access that.”

They know only too well. They abuse “their rights” all the time.

Grievances over discrimination or foreign policy would be channelled into practical political campaigning. “Muslims are Australian citizens. They have a right to support policies, to lobby for policies, to look at changing the system. We look at the Israeli lobby or the homosexual lobby and think, gosh, how effective it is,” she says.

Anne Aly, a deradicalisation expert from Curtin University, has received $40,000 to expand a similar program in Perth: identifying at-risk youths “through the grapevine”, and either pairing them with trained mentors, or providing formal training to existing role models in their lives.

Anne Aly will NEVER stop the jihad. She will facilitate it. That is her Islamic duty.

Aly’s mentors would be trained not just in countering violent ideas, but in manoeuvring the bumps of everyday life. “You may not need a mentor to talk you out of joining Isis, but you might need one to help you navigate the education system,” she says.

Football United, another recipient, will use the money to run soccer clinics in Sydney. “It will be a preventive type of program where they can meet new people, socialise, develop skills that make them feel part of their community,” a spokeswoman, Assmah Helal, says.

The three different programs cast the problem of violent extremism as the result of alienation, certainly from “Australian values”, but more specifically from one’s own family, friends and community.

They will roll out in an atmosphere of great mistrust between Muslim communities and the federal government. A number of prominent organisations, including the Lebanese Muslim Association, refused to apply for the grants. Even the full list of recipients is being kept confidential by the Attorney General’s Department, for fear its involvement would taint the programs.

The participants are aware of these risks. “But if, at the end of the day, I’m helping a family so that they don’t lose a son, or to keep their family intact, then it’s worth it,” Aly says.

Ihram, too, was “reluctant” to apply for funding, but says once the mentoring program is up and running she will seek funding under a more neutral scheme.

“If it’s funded as social infrastructure, or social welfare, that’s fine,” she says. “But under anti-terrorism or deradicalisation, we don’t want that.”

16 thoughts on ““Muslims are Australian citizens. They have a right to look at changing the system””

  1. Another waste of taxpayer money to fight “violent extremism”.

    It is not in Australia’s interest to support this.If violent extremism has nothing to do with Islam why are Muslim organisations putting their hand out for money.

    If the Muslims in Australia were really genuine they would do it themselves with their own money not taxpayers,

    and why hid the recipients of the taxpayer money.

    your red highlights are spot on-see below.

    I say lets have more

    “Part of that training would including tackling the narrative of radical groups head-on. “We want to make sure that as part of the training they understand what Islamsays about peace-building. There’s some very strong information that’s been put out by highly trained Muslim scholars refuting the basis of Isis propaganda.”

    BS on steroids. If that is the case, why not make it public? Don’t you think we should be able to have a look at it and see how these “highly trained Muslim scholars are refuting the basis of Isis propaganda?””

    As far as Dr Anne Aly is concerned she is a whinger.

    “The nothing to do with Islam” Dr Azza Aly

    Yes she is a Muslim.Who else, says beheading,violence and terrorism have nothing to do with Islam.

    http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/there-is-nothing-islamic-about-a-beheading-muslims-v-extremists-20140821-106d1c.html
    There is nothing Islamic about a beheading: Muslims v extremists

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/australia-muslim-university-research-explains-that-theres-nothing-islamic-about-beheading-women-have-equal-rights-in-islam

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/australia-muslim-prof-claims-she-got-hate-mail-after-her-deceptions-exposed

    There are the 3 articles-:
    First the newspaper articles and then 2 comments by Robert Spencer

  2. “recognise problems such as anger management, domestic abuse, issues with family breakup, depression,” ”

    What has this to do with Islam or Muslims?Why are we giving them taxpayer money for this?

    “use the money to run soccer clinics in Sydney. “It will be a preventive type of program where they can meet new people, socialise, develop skills that make them feel part of their community,””

    Once again,what has this to do with Islam or Muslims?
    My soccer club does this without taxpayer funds.Why do Muslims not join their local soccer club.

    Why are we giving them taxpayer money for this?

  3. While I am at it…..

    Sheik-normally you are sharp but you missed this one.

    fighting for muslims rights not people’s rights
    or to be neutral muslim people’s rights.

    This organisation does not work for non muslims-note their name as well.

    ““We work closely with the Muslim Legal Network, which is constantly fighting for people’s rights, but the average person doesn’t know how to access that.”

    They know only too well. They abuse “their rights” all the time.”

  4. I’m am so fed up with my taxes going to these friggin muslims.

    This is just bullsh&t, hand out after friggin handout going to these scheming scumbags.

    Time to start calling these public servants that are handing out our money – either give it equally to all (atheists could do with $50,000 for furthering their cause) or stop giving the money to the stealing islamos.

    I’m disgruntled, hand me some friggin taxpayers money hey, it might help my anger management at the scams being played against western democracy and taxpayers.

    We need an ozzie Pam Geller. The situation is so out of hand, corrupt politicians and media.

    ‘Australia has come from a white Australia policy to a multicultural policy’ – yeah, well f&&k that too.. multiculti is just bullsh&t, I never asked for the garbage.

    It’s all so bad, soon, the islamos are going to get a fightback they were not expecting – stuff ’em all.

  5. I still have a problem understanding how there are so few leaders like Wilders in our govts. They can’t be all useful idiots. At least I would like to think so.

  6. If you speak out you lose your privacy. You get death threats and you need 24/7 security. Not many are ready for that.

  7. Silma Ihram, from the Australian Muslim Women’s Association
    (Even the title she holds should be a warning flag – let alone the name tag she has)
    says ….
    “The problem is that for all those people teaching Muslims, whether in public or private schools, sports groups or prisons, there’s no qualification or oversight, no guarantee they’ve got the required skills,.”

    So what does she intend to do about this lack of “the required skill set
    import MORE imams – of Course !!!
    (at Australian’s Expense – of Course)

    And who is that lurking in the background AND STILL Aiding AND Abetting islam invade Australia
    Oh lookie – (of course) ….
    The Traitors AND Seditionists of Australia
    • “Our” Politicians,
    • “Our” Politicals,
    • “Our” Local Government Councillors AND
    • The PC (Cultural Marxist) Mind Controlled Self Destructs of Australia !

    (the $100 billion per year cost of population growth via third world mass immigration)
    http://australian-conservative-truth.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/joe-hockey-2015-budget-disaster-and.html
    The REAL Reason for Australia’s economic woes
    OUR OWN “Authorities” With their islam TAX !!!!!!

  8. Folks, you want to stop this rubbish then lobby your politicians – there is no other way!

    1. Dear kaw
      Wakey Wakey O’great Sleepy One !!

      Australia’s (Your?) Politicians at Work – but NOT for non-islam Australians !
      – FOR ISLAM (ONLY)
      – to ensure your (irrespective of your gender) personal rape, murder of You and Yours AND pillage of everyones property.

      Australia’s Politicians and Politicals already have the skills required by their Islamic Masters ….
      Taqiyya. (deception of non-Muhammadans – by dissimulation about ones Muslim identity).
      Tawriya (deception of non-Muhammadans – by concealing, and it could be called “creative lying”).
      kitman (deception of non-Muhammadans – by telling only part of the truth).
      Muruna (deception of non-Muhammadans – by using “flexibility” to blend in with the enemy or the surroundings).

      The Standard Form Letter -(EXTREMELY similar for ALL Australian Political Parties)- Sent to written complaints regarding the Australian Government’s policy on the immigration and retention of islams into Australia.

      Dear {████████}
      Thank you for your letter of {████████} on behalf of {████████}, regarding the Australian Government’s policy on the immigration of Muslim people to Australia.

      Australia has long placed a premium on ensuring its immigrant population settles effectively and contributes to our nation. We have active policies and programs which support settlement and social cohesion.

      While I note the concerns raised by {████████}, the vast majority of Muslim people who have settled here have done so successfully. They live peacefully with their fellow Australians. respect the law, work, pay their taxes and strive to achieve the same goals as other Australians. As you are aware the Australian Government is not considering the introduction of any part of Sharia law into the Australian legal system.

      Australians of all cultures and religions are able to express their beliefs and to practise their religion without intimidation and without interference, as long as this complies with Australian law.

      All applicants aged 18 years and over are required to sign a values statement when applying for selected visas. The statement requires applicants to confirm that they will respect the Australian way of life and obey the laws of Australia before being granted a visa.
      (
      This explains ALL the young jihadis now surfacing – they didn’t sign a values statement – but islams are born deceivers in the name of islam anyway.)

      One of our great achievements as a nation is that we have been able to successfully settle people from diverse backgrounds into one Australian family under a properly managed immigration Program.
      (But islams are reknown for non-intergrating in host coountries.)

      Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention. I hope the information provided is helpful in responding to the concerns of {████████}.

      Yours sincerely

      Signature of “The Current Dhimmi Politician” for lmmigration and Citizenship

      kaw – Dream on !!!

  9. One effective and lawful program: all Muslims who want Sharia in Australia do not belong to Australia as they are not compatible with the Constutution and the same Western Civilisation.
    Those Muslims who believe Sharia – and therefore Islamic theocracy – is not a model to be implemented are comparable somehow to all the Christians who believe that only God will implement His own true version of His Kingdom without human hand.
    Any ethical expression of the Will of God should be indicated and freely received from the civil society.
    When freedom is abused, Christian and Muslim should “prophetically” point out the consequences… but refrain from theocratic plots, wars and agendas.
    I believe however in the lawfulness of a certain degree of a peaceful exlusiveness and privacy when surriunded by an increasingly invasive pagan society. Private school for instance and more secluted communities for ethical motivations are to be allowed and respected as long tgey do not represent a violent project for the rest of the society.

  10. Besides Islam and the quran being part of the problem, the biggest problem that will never change until they renounce Islam and move towards 21st century enlightenment is cultural attitudes.

    -You know the ones that tell them that anyone non Muslim are deserving of the harm they cause them.

    -To hate the West and Western ways, even when they are living in the West and enjoying western lifestyles and benefits.

    -Assault, Violence and Rape towards nonMuslims (especially woman and children) is applauded and approved.

    -And the worse pressures of all comes from familial guilt/pressure placed upon their children who are caught between the modern society their parents brought them to and the retarded, guilt inducing arrested development from the home environment.

    -Etc., etc., and nothing will ever change until there is a rejection of a ignorant, backwards, hateful murderous cult called Islam.

  11. “….Silma Ihram, from the Australian Muslim Women’s Association, ….

    Silma Ihram??? Is that for real?

    It ‘s an anagram for ‘I harm islam’ !

    Surely she must know that. It must be a joke. Then again, when any muslim opens its mouth it usually harms the utopian picture they’d very much like to paint of their cult.

    Maybe she’s a troll, a double agent, waiting for her day to expose islam in Australia. Wishful thinking……..

    Apart from that – the other thing that harms islam is disseminating the truth about it.

  12. Byron
    Sharia is incompatible with our consitiution and with the concept of human rights. It is not a human right to enforce your beliefs onto others – but it is a human right to follow ones beliefs (in principal) and therein lies a poorly understood contradiction that muslims use to damage our societies.

    Hill,
    Until islam is reconstructed from the gound up we should call for its banning in our societies. Various legal and moral questions need to be properly defined, and when that is done islam can be easily defeated by our laws. There is no place for islam, in it current forms, in any modern society and the proof lies in the construction and workings of all islamic governments,

  13. @kaw,

    I agree with you a hundred percent.

    However, I just want to put another point forward in continuation of my previous point. IMHO, with Islam and Muslims the worst instigators of hostility of the West and NonMuslim people starts and comes from the home -the parents, then add on the moaque, imam, quran and a equally retarded and bitter peer group. Such a vile and hateful combination in this part of the century, is just not going to end well. Especially, when our current society and politicians thinks it can transfer 21st sensibilities onto 7th c., Barbarians and peasants.

    I have personally, witnessed on several occasions Muslim parents praising their children for an anti-West/nonMuslim stance and in one incident that affected me directly was when a Muslim Somali mother literally hugged and patted her six (?) year old son on the back after trying to assault my two year old nephew whilst he was playing happily in a sand box just (in a London park) inches in front of myself and my sibling.

    If seen too many times open hostility in various countries across Europe, by Muslims to their host country, it’s culture and its people.

    1. Oops. Correction.

      “If seen too many times open hostility in various countries across Europe, by Muslims to their host country, it’s culture and its people.”

      Sorry, this should read, I’ve seen first hand, too many times open hostility articulated in various countries across Europe, by Muslims to their host country, it’s culture and its people.

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