Internment & Deportations, NOW !!!

Perhaps we should establish a political party with that slogan. We could name the party IDN – Internment & Deportations NOW!

Because here in Australia we have 350.000 Muslims now. Not one politician has ever dared question their loyalty, their commitment to Democracy and the rule of law or their economic contribution, which i believe is negative or at best negligible.
Muhammedan breeding habits and unhindered immigration will give them critical mass within 20 years. Expect their numbers to exceed 3 to 5 million.

Hijabs, burkha’s and mosques, bearded gangs of hate filled Muhammedans will terrorize us according to Koranic teachings. No more freedom of speech, no more free inquiry, no more bikini’s on the beaches, no longer can single women go unhindered down the street without being harassed or raped.

Do we want to look on while it happens or do we want to live as ‘kafir dzimmie’s’ under the protection racket of our Muhammedan rulers?

Hugh Fitzgerald from Jihad Watch:

It might not be a good idea to import this problem

…doesn’t it occur to anyone, looking around the world and noticing that in every Infidel land, whether in Europe or in Asia or Africa, or in formerly easygoing Australia, that the presence of large numbers of Muslims has disrupted life for the indigenous Infidels? This presence has caused their lives to be more constrained and unpleasant. It has forced them to defend their own legal and political institutions against constant assault.

It has required them to spend billions upon billions in guarding their own transportation centers (airports and airplanes, train stations, bus stations, ports and ships), schools (Christian and Jewish in Western Europe, Christian and Hindu in parts of Asia), religious institutions (churches, temples), government offices of every kind, skyscrapers that house the offices of American or British or other Western countries, embassies, and so on. And finally, it has led to a feeling of physical insecurity among many Infidels, so that, for example, Jews are warned not to wear outward signs of their faith in most of Paris and in whole cities (Malmo, Rotterdam). Or large parts of cities (see Marseille, see Bradford, Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester, London) are declared dangerous for Infidels and for the forces of order. One has to worry, even along the Champs-Elysees, about the attacks of groups of Muslims on Infidels, both native and visitors.

Read it all:

The study of political Islam

39 thoughts on “Internment & Deportations, NOW !!!”

  1. I don’t know about Australia but I’m sure in the US plenty of politicians are in the pocket of the oil lobby and that explains why, even after 9/11, the borders here remain open to immigrants from cesspoolia and “students” on visas. It seems most politicians of the West suffer from some form of mass idiocy in letting more and more of the “peaceful ones” come to our nations, complete with all of their wacky ideas, weird customs and ancient feuds. We may need to give many of our “leaders” the Mussolini treatment
    before we deal with the Islamaniacs themselves-the lapdogs are in many ways worse than their cesspoolian masters. They are traitors at the very least.

  2. The oil is their biggest bargaining tool, no doubt.
    That is how Europe became infested in the 70’s. (see Oriana Fallaci’s books).

    I just saw that Guiliani is running for President. Do you guys think that will help given his attitude to the saudi’s after 9/11? I hope so.

    Sheik, yes they may well reach critical mass at the rate they are going. I am also hoping that the “natives” will get restless, and also become a critical mass in getting rid of them!

  3. gramfan: got this from a poster on Bolt and it reminded me of you.
    these are the ingredients for fascism. It is people of your ilk that got Hitler elected. You can’t see it but the islamo fascists are turning you into a fascist as well.

    1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
    2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. .
    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
    4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
    5. Rampant sexism. .
    6. A controlled mass media.
    7. Obsession with national security.
    8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
    9. Power of corporations protected.
    10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
    11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
    12. Obsession with crime and punishment.

  4. Everything you just listed are characteristics of an islamic state, which we could be headed towards becoming if you leftards get your way. You could have just replaced that list like this…

    1. islam
    2. islam
    3. islam
    4. islam
    5. islam
    6. islam
    7. islam
    8. islam
    9. islam
    10. islam

    Yeah, how ironic how the atheist ‘progessives’ of today seem to think that the nutty religion of islam is the greatest thing since Communism or Stalinism, so they either ignore it’s a problem or even support it. Sickening.

  5. Savitch,
    I hate all relgion in particular the Abrahamic ones. Osama bin Laden wanted a war between the West and Islam and people like you are fueling it without even realising. The more you hate them the more fanatical they become. What a shame you can’t see it. You can jump up down all you like but there is simply too much money involved in Islam. The vast majority of mainstream muslims recognise this too and are as frustrated as you are with fanatics pushing their crazy agendas. Try for once to look at the big picutre. I know it’s hard being a right wing ignoramus to look at things in a different light considering your simplistic “black and white” view of everything.

  6. The article in the Front Page Magazine is very interesting, of course. Also, I think a comment on it in the “View From The Right” blog, under the heading “Islam is—for all intents and purposes—political Islam” offers an excellent and useful complementary reflection.
    The link is

    The author of the blog Lawrence Auster, maintains rightly that due to the irreconcilable differences between the principles underlying Islam and the West the two are absolutely incompatible and the forcible marriage of the two will bring about a historical tragedy either in the form of the total collapse of the Western civilization, or a monstrous civil war in a generations or two. The solution is SEPARATION. Since we can’t, or rather shouldn’t, subdue Islam militarily and should limit our armed actions to punitive only, we should keep Islam out of the West and limit the relations to purely commercial.
    Stop and REVERSE the Mohammedan “immigration” – the euphemism for Islamic invasion. Deport instantly Moslems disloyal to their host country.

    And last, but not least, ignore cretins like “atheist”.

    (Really Savitch , anyone producing sounds like “..the vast majority of mainstream…” is a talking bucket full of discarded, corny and silly jingle)

  7. “The oil is their biggest bargaining tool, no doubt.”

    Gramfan, I don’t think so. Initially yes, but not anymore. The driving force bent on destroying our civilization is the fanatical religion of multiculti.
    It has its prophets, its gospel, priests and above all powerful, insidious inquisition that penetrated all our institutions and have the power to effectively neutralize and destroy anyone, or anything it deems adverse to its eschatological vision of Paradise on Earth. The Church of Multiculti had a few decades time to create institutions, many lucrative positions and multitude of “jobs”. It is a parasitic industry, but it nevertheless exists, and it has the will to live. A will which is a sum total of the interests of everyone involved in the racket.
    I think the example of Norway is quite illustrative. Norway has been a 100% self supplying in oil for the past 20 some years. Yet the speed at which Norway rushes into islamization and obliteration of its historical, cultural and national identity through the mass importation of Mohammedans is truly mad and unmatched by few if any other European country.

  8. atheist, turning away from the intolerance that islam represents is hardly a winning strategy, it certainly has’nt worked to now. Other than #1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism, I agree whole heartedly with Savitch, especially with those last two #11 & 12, they’ve got islam written all over them.

  9. Re athiest:
    So you have surveyed the “vast majority of mainstream muslims” have you?
    That will explain why mobots preach hatred against the infidel in mosques all accross Australia ,right?
    Just another mobot troll, give it a rest atheist, I have met you’re “mainstream muslims” in the flesh and you’re telling me not to believe what I saw or heard?
    Tell that crap to the gang rape victims from 2000, what a dickhead!

  10. atheist Says:
    “It is people of your ilk that got Hitler elected. ”

    NOTHING could be further from the truth! I take this as an insult of the highest order.

    You couldn’t pigeon-hole me in a million years! Stop trying – you won’t even get close.
    Are you the creep you accused Bolt’s family of being collaborators during the last war? That was a truly disgusting thing. Just wondering,,,,

    I also saw the list and interpreted it exactly as you have. Thanks for posting it.

    Atheist says:
    “I hate all relgion in particular the Abrahamic ones.”

    Ah,, now we know all about your ilk! You hate people who profess to be Jews, Christians and muslims? Are they not all of the Abramaic ones? Or do you just hate what they believe in,,like the 10 Commandements, for example,which islam does not bother with? Islam, unlike Christianity and Judaism has no value for human life: they love death more.

    Then you say: “The more you hate them the more fanatical they become. ”

    Not true: they hate because they hate ANY infidel. The west couldn’t do a thing right if they bent over backwards.(Which some countries have already done). That is what they are taught.

    Christian West :
    yes, oil is/was a huge factor and now they have silly appeasers rather like Atheist, who make their job soooo much easier!!

  11. D.T. is right.

    Mainstream or moderate muslims, if there are in fact any, are being made irrelevant by their fanatical co-religionists.

    If they stood up to them, we wouldn’t be in this situation.They won’t because they know they will be killed.

  12. gramfan

    sounds to me like the truth hurts. I can assure you that it was narrowmindedness and ignorance by people like you that got Hitler elected. His hate for the Jews reminds me of your hate for Muslims. Can guarantee you that all the hating in the world will get you nowhere. BTW I did not say I hate people who profess to be Jews, Christians and Muslims. I hate what religion has done to these people who need it in their lives for self esteem and self worth. And remember “absolute morality leads to absolute intolerance”. This sums you up perfectly and it sums up the crazy islamic imams as well.

  13. I am not afraid of the truth. You seem to be good at misinterpretation.

    When you post some truth,,I MIGHT get a little rattled. Waiting,,,,,

    So far you are not even close to it. You are truly pompous and stupid trying to assess anyone they way you do from a ‘net ‘blog. Whatever turns you on,,,

    More truth is you would possibly vote for Hitler as you stand for nothing and would hence be prepared to appease him perhaps? That worked, right?

    I don’t hate muslims. I hate islam.”I hate what religion has done to these people who need it in their lives for self esteem and self worth.”
    Exactly as you say about other faiths.

    What is “absolute morality”? Some new philosophy you invented?
    If everyone had some morality, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

  14. gramfan
    absolute morality is sort of like believing you are right ( or good ) and people who are not like you are bad. The crazy imams totally believe they are “good” and are guaranteed a ticket to heaven and that all infidels will rot in hell. Are you getting the picture ? You are obviously a proud white Aussie and are Christian or Jew, and you believe anyone not fitting that mould is “bad”. Yeah, that’s right, ALL muslims are bad because they don’t belive in your God or have your values. You are absolutely intolerant. Can I make myself any clearer ?

  15. atheist Says

    “You are obviously a proud white Aussie and are Christian or Jew, and you believe anyone not fitting that mould is “bad”. ”

    Nope,,wrong again! I am an agnostic/spiritual for starters, and I even don’t owe you this explanation.I actually welcome the idea of knowing people who are different to me – that is one way to learn new ideas. You obviously have a closed mind,yes?? Typical lefty.

    Atheist says:”ALL muslims are bad because they don’t belive in your God or have your values. You are absolutely intolerant.”

    No,,,they are “bad” because they don’t value human life. I guess that is a “big value” for me as a humanist. I am completely and wholeheartedly tolerant which is more than I can say about you.

    I just don’t get “absolute morality”, please give an example of a person-dead or alive, to clarify this philosophy, other than Bin Laden.

    You made this concept up. It’s “dreamworld” philosophy,,crap really.It doesn’t exist.
    The main thing that gets me about you is your unflinching desire/need to
    “categorize” me.

    Man,,you are in for a shock if we ever meet, which hopefully will never happen! I would have you “done” in a New York minute!

    Please indulge me, just doing what you do, for a change:

    You are a white Aussie, under 35 perhaps. Maybe a uni grad even – arts perhaps, and well into left wing ideologies which have always been around uni’s even in my years. (I was one once also). You are an “idealist”. You haven’t been around long enough to know that every war is fought for money and not ideals. You are an intellectual snob – don’t worry – it’s curable!

    You think you are “above” all the world because your sense of morality gives equality to all mankind as we are indeed taught. (I wish it were so!!) This isn’t true. I will save you years of grief if you get this concept.

    You are naive. You cannot see the “big picture”. All religions disappoint you because one day you prayed and your wish didn’t come true…..surprise!!! And of coures your gift for logic and enlightenment must deny any “Creator”.

    Well,,guess what? We were not created equal. I am actually thankful for that.
    I bet you don’t look like Brad Pitt and I don’t look like Eizabeth Taylor. Albert Einstein was a genius – Tim Robbins isn’t.

    This is such a stupid notion anyway. No one is created equal, other than in a biological sense, meaning that they have 10 fingers and 10 toes if they are lucky.

    Don’t try to make yourself any clearer: let me know when you are a bit older and wiser.

    In conclusion:
    the west has the best and worst humanity has ever achieved. Islam was great once – perhaps. Now it’s single achievement this century and last century is one thing: the ultimate smart bomb,aka the suicide bomber.

    That about says it all IMHO! And it concerns me that such an ignorant philosophy wants the world. Give me Plato, Socrates, anyone almost from classical philosphy to contemporary,,but no muslim!

    Now my dear little wet-behind -the ears Atheist can we get onto something else please???

  16. you’ve gotta good sense of humour for a right whinger …. i’ll give you that …. I will correct you on one thing though ….. Lefties do not have closed minds. The greatest free thinkers of the modern era are predominantly lefties and are definitley atheists. ( Richard Dawkins, Noam Chomsky , Albert Einstein , Bertrand Russell, Jean Paul Satre, etc etc ).
    On the right you are represented by the village idiot from Texas and names like Pauline Hanson spring to mind too. Between them they couldn’t string a sentence together. The left is not perfect either, I will grant you that, but at least we can claim intellectual superiority , surely.

  17. atheist says: “The vast majority of mainstream muslims recognise this too and are as frustrated as you are with fanatics pushing their crazy agendas.”

    atheist believes that Islam is the religion of peace and that most muslims are a peaceful lot.

    this is because atheist not only ignores the millions upon millions dead across the world and the totalitarian Islamic regimes from Saudi Arabia to Nigeria and many others — operating on the same level of fascist statehood as the Nazis — and instead focuses on the concept that all people are basically good people, and that really they are no worse than Christians.

    this has two common failings which are seen in far left atheist thinking:

    1) first, he hasn’t simply put the sentence together with the key word translated into english so that the second key word is properly understood in context. the left and the right are both at fault here.

    Islam, of course, means “submission” or “submit”. knowing that, we can put it in the sentence:

    Submission is the religion of peace.

    now say that to yourself a few times and mull it over. really, give it a try. if you do, you will realize that muslims really mean it. they mean: submit and there will be peace. when all submit to the Prophet, there is peace.

    muslims mean that when they say islam is the religion of peace. mulsim apologists on the right and left miss what they are really saying completely because they understand peace from their own context and don’t simply think these things through.

    2) The other problem that atheist has comes can be seen in his chosen name for this board. he calls himself atheist. atheists deny that god exists. rather than following logical deduction and the factual understanding that god cannot be proven or disproven and taking a neutral stand and therefore not following any religion, atheists instead take an angry stand and demand that god does not exist. of course, they don’t think things through in saying that, because they can’t prove that god doesn’t.

    atheists are angry people. and anger causes irrationality. just as the far right is irrational in its religious beliefs, so to are the far left atheists in their beliefs against them. when they see the death and destruction that religions have caused and continue to cause, or the suffering their own lives, they look at it as proof that god doesn’t exist — when in fact it proves nothing of the sort.

    and here is where the problem lies for far left people: they have spent so much time and energy on a very personal level being very angry at far right christians trying to impose their beliefs on them, and have made such an enemy in them, that they are blinded in their thinking. they will stand up for any group who is in opposition to the right and will come up with apologies for them and ignore the core belief system of those groups.

    in fact, the far left atheists who smash on the right wing Christians in America and apologize and promote Islam as the religion of peace are not a lot different from somebody who fought against Mussolini and then made apologies for Hitler — until it was too late.

    but, by all means, atheist is correct in trying to encourge a toning down of violent reactions by right wingers to the jihad threat to modern civilization. it is not nearly effective as economics and voting blocks in getting what you want.

    Finally, as for intellectual superiority, it is in fact the CENTRE who is intellectually superior. Virtually all major scientists and great thinkers in history (and today) end up centrist agnostic when they mature. Typically, they are brought up religious, become atheists when they discover critical thinking, but mature to become agnostics when they divorce their critical thinking skills from their emotions, and the anger they used to hold on the subject of religion. and, being logical agnostics, they end up in the centre of the political spectrum because that’s where facts and reason and intellectual honesty leads you.

  18. Atheist says”you’ve gotta good sense of humour for a right whinger ”

    errr,,that would be winger: no “H”! I wouldn’t class myself as left or right. I am a big believer in “Common Sense”!

    Then “The greatest free thinkers of the modern era are predominantly lefties and are definitley atheists.” You haven’t tried really hard with this list, have you? What about Winston Churchill for example.Sir David Attenborough is not an atheist. You come up with Pauline Hanson ? A bit desperate, surely.

    However, if one takes your ideas to logical conclusions:

    “I will grant you that, but at least we can claim intellectual superiority , surely. ”

    No it isn’t that simple. (Although I am sure you would like to believe this, especially in your case.)

    Let’s do away will all exams and study then. Just simply ask people if they are left wingers or right wingers and award degrees accordingly.

    Since most muslims could well be left wingers as they follow facist/marxist/totalitarian philosophy then I assume by your logic they are all clever? Are you kidding?

    Or are they right wing? I which case you would be against them, correct??
    Or maybe they are in a class all there own?

  19. “… but at least we can claim intellectual superiority , surely.

    “WE can claim…”? WE? The guy obviously suffers from the delusion of grandeur!

    Our Atheist, that world renown intellectual colossus, and Einstein? Shoulder to shoulder?

    Ooops, not Einstein! Sorry bozo, but Einstein was anything but atheist! Neither was Galileo, Copernicus, Keppler, Pascal, Kelvin, Faraday, Planck, Heisenberg, Hubble, Shakespeare, Milton, Kant, Hawking, Mendel, Pasteur, Huxley (Aldous), Wittgenstein… the list goes on forever.

    But please do keep Sartre and Chomsky. You must feel at home with these two intellectual frauds and moral charlatans : Sartre – an ardent Stalin admirer, gulag apologizer and second rate philosopher, and Chomsky, a disgusting liar, defender of Pol Pot, hater of Israel and great friend of sundry leftist butchers.

    Ah, don’t forget your atheist club includes luminaries like: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Himmler, Mao, dr. Mengele, Himmler, PolPot, HoChi Minh, Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro, Guevarra, Mengistu …oh boy, what a latrine!

    If Atheist can, by the virtue of his membership in that monstrous menagerie allude to his intellectual superiority over the rest of us, he must by the same token share the moral kinship with these ogres.

    But I doubt he can see the point. That would require that the members of his club donated a few points of their IQ to add to his own. Unfortunately, the technology is not yet available.

  20. sorry Christian West, but Einstein was an atheist:
    one of his quotes for which the Christian right in America tried to get him deported for:
    “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it ”

    and boy was he a lefty or what !! another quote from Einstein:
    “I believe Gandhi’s views were the most enlightened of all the political men of our time. We should strive to do things in his spirit: not to use violence for fighting for our cause, but by non-participation of anything you believe is evil.”

    BTW you can definitley count Hitler on your side. This is one of Hitler’s quotes:

    “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

    hope you enjoyed these gems Gramfam,

  21. Pathetic!
    You chose 3 “iffy” examples compared to what Christain West came up with.
    Eistein was a Jew, by race. Hitler would have murdered him in a heart beat. He knew it and he left Germany.

    Hitler was also pagan, by many accounts.You really have a short list and a proven closed mind.

    Concede defeat before you personal posts confirm that many lefties are loony.
    (Actually I think you already have.)
    Get over it. Your hypothesis re left and right, dumb and smart doesn’t hold enough water to drown a flea!

  22. oh ok then. I concede defeat . Einstein was a rabid right wing, religious fanatic who loved war. How remiss of me not to have know that !!
    Oh , and of course Hitler was a pacifist who depised Christians which explains why all those Christian churches were destroyed by him during his reign. I really should have know this !!!! I guess you win Gramfan. Well done !! you’re my hero …..

  23. and another thing, Christian West, how dare you claim Huxley not to be atheist:
    a famous quote of his:
    “You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough.”

    are we on the same planet ?

  24. and just for good measure this from Abraham Lincoln:
    “The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”

    this from Benjamin Franklin:
    “I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.”

    from Mark Twain
    “If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be — a Christian.”

    from Thomas Edison
    “Religion is all bunk.”

    the list is endless

  25. Atheist is wrong on both accounts. Einstein did not accept a PERSONAL god, but that doesn’t translates into atheism.
    Colin Bower in his “The Dawkins Illusion” – a devastating review of Dawkins’ ”The God Delusion” addresses that misconception with typical to him cogent, intelligent yet restrained and courteous approach.
    BTW, Colin Bower is an international scholar of biology, non-religious, Darwinist and otherwise quite agreeing with Dawkins.
    Here it goes:
    …He seeks Einstein also as an ally to his atheist crusade, and works hard to make a distinction between “Einsteinian religion” and “supernatural religion”, but fails. When Dawkins strives, as he puts it, “…to clarify the distinction between supernatural religion on the one hand and Einsteinian religion on the other…” we are enjoined to understand him in the following terms: “…bear in mind that I am calling only supernatural gods delusional”. What devilish work that little word “only” does in his sentence! Is he by it conceding that there are other sorts of gods?

    Einstein may well reject what he calls “a personal god”, but a god who is not a personal god is still a god; a pantheist can displace god into the trees, the rocks and the seas, and a deist can displace god into the so-called laws of the universe, but, disguise the name as you will, it is still god that they recognise, and therefore they are not atheists. Einstein declares that Nature is “a magnificent structure…that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This…” he says “…is a genuinely religious feeling…” But the asseveration in no way helps Dawkins make a distinction between supernatural religion and Einsteinian religion as he supposes it does. Is Einstein’s position “genuinely religious”? If so, what makes it genuinely religious? And if it is genuinely religious, is it not because he sees in that “magnificent structure” evidence of the existence of god?

    Let’s assume for the moment that he doesn’t see evidence of god. Under such a circumstance, it seems to me that he has no right to call his feeling “religious”. He may be able to feel humility in the face of human achievements very much greater than his own, but I cannot begin to understand why he should feel humility in the face of a process that evolutionary science is at pains to demonstrate is mechanical, blind and directionless, and I therefore fail whatsoever to understand what gives him the right to call that humility “religious”.

    But what of the other case, the case based on the assumption that Einstein is calling his experience religious because he does see evidence of god in that “magnificent superstructure”? Dawkins quotes him as saying: “To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our mind cannot grasp and whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly and as a feeble reflection, this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious”. Yes, that seems to me an unquestionably religious attitude, and I cannot for the life of me understand how it could exist if it was not connected with some recognition of the existence of god, however defined. Call Einstein what you like, but on the evidence of his own utterance, he is not an atheist. ….
    It goes on, but I doubt our intellectual colossus (I mean Atheist) can be convinced by the logic of Bower’s analysis. Perhaps if he was able to follow it …

    The claim that the “religious right” wanted him deported for his unbelief in personal God is to put it bluntly, idiotic. I leave aside what exactly is a “religious right”, what is its legal and political structure, and when is the last time it succeeded in deporting a scientist, or anybody else for his/her unbelief in God.
    By the way, I am quite sure you can find a few people who would like our Atheist deported to Pakistan, or North Korea, or wear a hat with a blinking “I am Intellectually Superior” sign , but I doubt they could influence the government to enforce it.

    And why in the world Atheist sees in Einstein’s rejection of “violence for fighting for our cause” and “non-participation of anything you believe is evil” a prove of his leftism? So rejection of violence is “Leftism”? Has Atheist spent his formative years on the Planet of the Ninnies?

    Hitler, just like the top of the Nazi (and Communist) was a 100% anti-christian. He often resorted to some rhetorical figure of speech in his ranting, but to try to pass it on as a prove of his being a Christian is not just a sloppy and muddled thinking with which Atheist is again making a fool of himself, but an act of deliberate falsification.
    There is only one relevant fact; Hitler was what Hitler did. He was a monster, just like Lenin and Mao.
    Nowhere in the New Testament one can find justification of violence, let alone genocide. In what way was Auschwitz expression of Jesus’ “love thy neighbour as yourself”?
    No, Auschwitz was a perfectly logical conclusion of taking on Nietzsche’s ideas of “Will to Power” and “God is dead” and his utter contempt for Christianity. Now how can the Nazi ideology, founded on and deriving all its philosophical nourishment and “moral legitimacy” in Nietzsche’s madness, be Christian at the same time? Why had Nazi executed thousands of Catholic priest in Poland? In what Christian book is this required of a good Christian?
    Hitler may have invoked the name of God whenever convenient, but that hardly makes him a Christian. Rather, his boundless contempt for human life and ruthless barbarity in pursuing his vision makes him not less an atheist, or pagan if you wish, than Lenin. As Ivan Karamazov notes; if there is no God then everything is permitted. Both ogres, Hitler and Lenin, followed the logic of Karamazov’s observation to its perfect conclusion.

  26. Atheists asks:

    “and another thing, Christian West, how dare you claim Huxley not to be atheist”

    How do I dare?

    Aldous’ chapters on “Religious Practices,” “Beliefs,” and “Ethics” argued in favor of a “meaningful cosmos and a universal spirituality”, that Aldous said, “was reflected in the works of certain Eastern mystics as well in the works of some famous Christian mystics”.

    So how do I dare, or how does Aldous dare?

    Anyway, anyone who read A. Huxley extensively can deduce his above expressed conviction without much effort.

    Now, if Atheist instead of being stuck up in his “intellectual superiority” try to understand what he reads he would have some chance to see that the quote he triumphantly waves around testifies to a few things, but certainly not to Aldous atheisms.
    It does NOT explicitly reject religion per se nor God (two different things), but slams on “often horrible fooleries of religion”. Is THAT rejection of God? Apparently, this is what our intellectual colossus believes.

    And then he asks me; “are we on the same planet ? “

    Darling, you must be out of your freaking mind!

  27. Atheist,

    “the list is endless”

    It doesn’t mater how endlessly you stretch the list. Everyone is free to compile lists of names in whatever way he wants – telephone book is a good example. But only a simpleton believes that the size of the list proves, or disproves a god – even if you should add yourself to the list.

    But you are obviously desperate to convince yourself that if you parrot a “cool” opinion of smart people the smartness will somehow rub on you. Is it because of the shock you suffered years ago when presented with the miserable results of your IQ test?

    And again, try to make an effort understanding the implication of each of the quotations you are presenting. If instead of gobbling on “quotes” you made a serious study of the complex personality of B. Franklin you would find a letter he wrote at the age of eighty-four, just previous to his death, in reply to inquiries concerning his religious belief from Ezra Stiles, the President of Yale College, he wrote as follows:

    “Here is my creed: I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his providence. That he ought to be worshiped. That the most acceptable service we render him is doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this.”

    Some atheist, heh?

    And although Lincoln “could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.” it may disqualify him as a theologian, but only a simpleton like yourself would jump on the conclusion that the fellow was an atheist.

    And the same goes for Mark Twain whose quoted by you remark expresses only his criticism of Christians of his time, but never dismissal of the notion of God. How does your keen intellect deduce that?

    As for Thomas Edison, he was an avowed and honest atheist. Well, good for him. But do you think it somehow testifies to your own “intellectual superiority”?

    Well, you probably do.

  28. Christian west,
    you are obviously unaware of the attempt by the Christian right in the US to have Einstein deported for his comments regarding religion. Do some homework will you !! Imagine, people just like you, trying to deport the greatest mind of the 20th Century back to Germany for stating the bleatingly obvious. You scare me .

  29. Atheist,

    I refer you to my previous comment on that factoid. I hate to repeat myself but here it is once again. Read my lips:

    “I leave aside what exactly is a “religious right”, what is its legal and political structure, and when is the last time it succeeded in deporting a scientist, or anybody else for his/her unbelief in God.
    By the way, I am quite sure you can find a few people who would like our Atheist deported to Pakistan, or North Korea, or wear a hat with a blinking “I am Intellectually Superior” sign , but I doubt they could influence the government to enforce it.”

    Please address that first and then other comments I patiently responded with to your gibberish.

    Really, look, I have been very patient with you and dealt with every “argument” your abysmal ignorance and congenital obtuseness made you discharge.
    I admit, in the begining, it was rather amusing and very easy to slap you around – in fact much too easy. Eventually it became a bit of a tedious routine. I don’t mind to be challenged by bright, well informed people. I learn a lot in the process – especially when they prevail over me. But you are a monumental bore, ignoramus and poseur and your monotonous, robot-like reiteration of the same, many times demolished, incongruities tires me. So, unless you are able to come up with a rational and sensible rejoinder to my responses to your pathetic “arguments” I shall ignore you in the future.

    PS. I scare you, you say? Try Prozac

  30. In Australia (Melbourne) La Trobe University has apparently installed separate washrooms for muslims with a combination lock on the doors – so despite John Howard and Peter Costello’s calls for “if you don’t like the culture here, leave” , dhimmitude is alive and well in mainstream Oz institutions

  31. Christian West:
    Who cares whether they succeeded or not in trying to deport Einstein. The point is they tried. Whether it was just blatant anti-semitism or just typical religious fanatacism , who knows ? The point is Einstein was an atheist lefty which is line with the great minds of the modern era. I know this hard for a right wing christian loony to swallow but get used to it .

  32. Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway – Authorities Look the Other Way

    Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm, who has investigated violent crimes in Svea high court, found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or by foreign parents.

    The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations are so extremely high that it is difficult to view them only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. Muhammad himself had forced sex (rape) with several of his slave girls/concubines. This is perfectly allowed, both in the sunna and in the Koran. If you postulate that many of the Muslims in Europe view themselves as a conquering army and that European women are simply war booty, it all makes perfect sense and is in full accordance with Islamic law. Western women are not so much regarded by most Muslims as individuals, but as “their women,” the women who “belong” to hostile Infidels. They are booty, to be taken, just as the land of the Infidels someday will drop, it is believed, into Muslim hand. This is not mere crime, but ideologically-justified crime or rather, in Muslim eyes, attacks on Infidels scarcely qualify as crime. Western women are cheap and offensive. We Muslims are here, here to stay, and we have a right to take advantage of this situation. It is our view of the matter that should prevail. Western goods, like the land on which we now live, belong to Allah and to the best of men — his Believers. Western women, too, essentially belong to us — our future booty. No wonder there is a deep and increasing suspicion against Muslims in the Swedish and European public.
    rape nothing to do with the islam cult ? think again!

    Western Muslims’ Racist Rape Spree

  33. Jack & Diane Lyrics
    Artist: John [un-American] COUWARD Mellencamp
    Album: American Fool [fool us ONCE, Cougar]

    Little ditty about a Bosnian
    Another terrorist livin’ off the Man
    Sulejman’s gonna be a martyr star
    Suicide bomb debutante in his car

    Suckin’ on a halal dog outside the Tastee Freeze
    guns n ammo sittin’ on Sulejman’s lap
    He’s got his hand on the squeeze
    Iman say “Hey Sulejman lets fire off
    a few rounds”
    Kock off those Bobby Brooks
    Let me do what Allah please.
    And Iman Say

    Oh yeah jihad goes on
    Long after the thrill of livin is gone
    Oh yeah say jihad goes on
    Long after the thrill of livin is gone, now kill on.

    Sulejman sits back reflects his thoughts for the moment
    Scratches his head and does his best Jihad Deen.
    Well you know Allah, we oughta nuke the city
    Imam says “Baby, you aint missin’ no-thing”
    Jihad say a

    Gonna let it rock
    Let it roll
    Let the Jihad Bomb Belt come down
    And Save My soul
    Hold on to my M-16 as long as I can
    Resistance come around real soon
    Make us martyrs and mean


    Little ditty about a Bosnian
    Just a terrorist doing what he can

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