Sudden Jihad Syndrome

Another case of ‘Sudden Jihad Syndrome‘ – something that usually happens when good Muslims start taking their ‘religion’ seriously.

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 Another case of a good Muslim who discovered the Religion of Peace. Like the beltway snipers and the creeps who drove SUV’s into groups of people recently, the official report will (predictably) tell us that Sulejman Talovic, an 18-year-old Bosnian refugee who lived in Salt Lake City, had a history of mental problems. That can’t be denied -, these mental problems usually originate in Islam and the teaching of the Koran.

Here’s the link, he was a ‘teenager’- what else?

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Police identify gunman as 18-year-old Bosnian
By Linda Thomson
Deseret Morning News

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Update from AP:

SALT LAKE CITY Feb 13, 2007 (AP)— A trench coat-clad teenager who opened fire on shoppers at a mall had one thing in mind: “to kill a large number of people,” and he likely would have killed more than five had an off-duty officer not confronted him, the police chief said Tuesday.

Police Tuesday identified the gunman accused in Monday night’s Trolley Square shooting as Sulejman Talovic, an 18-year-old Bosnian refugee who lived in Salt Lake City.

*Suleiman, of course, is a Muslim name, but the MSM and the authorities will tell us that Islam had nothing to do with it, mark my words!

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Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said Talovic drove his car to the mall, parked in the west parking terrace and encountered two people who he shot before entering the mall.
There, he encountered a female who also was shot right away, then went into a gift shop where there were five people, all of whom the young man shot. Moving through the mall, the gunman tried to shoot others, Burbank said. The chief said he could not say now how many shots were involved in the entire episode.
Burbank praised an unnamed Ogden police officer who took action at the mall to intervene in the incident, and praised the many law enforcement and other agencies that responded quickly and professionally to the crisis.
Until Salt Lake police arrived, it was “basically a shoot-out between the Ogden individual and this individual,” Burbank said.

The usual denial and appeasement circus by the authorities are already on the way.”This is not terrorism but a lone act of violence” whitewash in 3…2…

*Here’s another link with a little more honesty in reporting:

Bosnian Muslim goes on a killing spree in US mall

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  2. *Here’s another link with a little more honesty in reporting:

    Bosnian Muslim goes on a killing spree in US mall

    Hey, I am glad *someone* mentioned the TRUTH. Leave it up to a new service named “serbianna”.

    Serbia = SEMYAK!!

  3. Sure it was all because of America’s wrong policies in the ME.
    Anybody blamed Tim McVeigh yet?Sure it wasn’t another plot by the Joozzz?

  4. If he is older than 18 does that mean he is eligible for the death penalty? Perhaps thats the reason why the msm presents him as a ‘teenager’- in the hope that we, the taxpayers have to feed this PoS in a federal penitentiary for 30 years…?

  5. He was killed in action and that is good.

    That’s why he was a ‘good’ muslim- a martyr of course. One would hope that the whole family is being deported or at least interned for the timebeing.

    Still, we must think about the root causes of such a desperate act. If the US (Clinton) hadn’t interfered with the normal cultural practices of the Balkans by stopping the Serbs’ ethnic cleansing of Bosnia, this disturbed young man would never have ended up in Salt Lake City living on the public purse.

    I guess we are all to blame.

  6. sheikyermami, i disagree that his family should be deported because he committed this heinous crime. If he was alive, he should definitely be made to suffer the consequences but no reason to punish his family as well. I do believe the highschool kids who went on shooting sprees did not have their families serve the penalty that those kids would have been sentenced to.

  7. Obviously, the young Bosnian had mental problem because he had gone through hell by the Serb during his childhood. Sheikyermami is so stupid in her/his comment on Feb 14th at 5.07pm above. There is nothing to do with religion here. Open your mind and look at the bigger picture.

    I disagreed with you trying to blame Islam with this
    particular crime. The young gunman was discribed as
    mentally troubled as reported.  When someone is
    mentally unsound, he have no sense of judgement what
    more to say his religious believe.

    Obviously his mental problem arised from his childhood
    experience under hell from the evil Serb. Yet your
    comment as if the Serb has done the right thing is
    very foolish and unacceptable.  Imagine how it feel as
    a kid watching your loved one being brutally killed,
    tortured using technique unimagineable by normal
    people (except the CIA and Mossad) infront of you. You
    should have attended the just concluded war crime
    conference in Kuala Lumpur last week (6 Feb)to hear
    crime committed by war criminals around the world
    particularly the superpower and its allies, as told by
    victims.  I am sure a person like u will not shed
    tears upon hearing them because you are very different
    and sided war criminals. Of course these war criminals
    are powerful people and siding with them will guaranty
    you security in this world. But I am sure, lots of
    good American, real American people will disagree with
    war criminals and we can see from the current wind of
    change.  Bush will be toppled. Well, which side of the
    fence are standing now. I know your type. You are the
    type (not originally American) will side on the
    winning side. Hoping to be accepted by the locals.
    This is to ensure safety in the land of America.  You
    will quickly change side when it suits you.  Very
    shameful.  You should not be in AMerica afterall. Go
    back to where u belong.

  8. You are most welcome to educate us on ‘the bigger picture’- if connecting the dots is not to your liking:

    Is the Koran ‘for all mankind for all time’ or not?

    Slay the pagans wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place…” (9:5).

    Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”

    Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

    Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme – 8:39

    It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

    There is plenty more:http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

    Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
    Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
    Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
    Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

    If this is what you call ‘religion’ then I call it a guide-book to terrorism and genocide.

    Here’s a brief history of ‘Sudden Jihad Syndrome’-
    I am not aware of any ‘complete’ list, but the link provided enough information to glean these links for more info. Included is one link with additional information from DC Watson as well:

    http://www.judeoscope.ca/IMG/jpg/HAQ.jpg“>Naveed Afzal Haq
    Jihad Watch: Seattle jihad shooter: “Peace be upon you”

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Dr.%2520Wameeth%2520Fadhli.jpg“>Dr Wameeth Fadhli
    Jihad Watch: Naveed Haq: Another psychically marginal Muslim finds meaning in jihad

    http://www.danielpipes.org/pics/new/large/25.jpg“>Michael Julius Ford
    Jihad Watch: Denver Safeway shooter was “being teased at work because he’s a Muslim and he couldn’t take it anymore”

    Mujtaba Rabbani Jabbar(no image)
    Jihad Watch: British agents trace 7/7 terror links to smalltown America
    Debbie Schlussel follows up

    http://hotair.cachefly.net/media.michellemalkin.com/archives/images/mohammed.jpg“>Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar
    Jihad Watch: Letters from a mujahid
    Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, the Tarheel jihadist

    FrontPage magazine.com :: Killing for Allah by Robert Spencer

    Ali R. Warrayat (no image)

    Jihad Watch: Home Depot jihad?

    http://media.oudaily.com/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/440535120debd-76-1.jpg“>Joel Hinrichs
    Jihad Watch: Oklahoma bomber had jihad material

    Jihad Watch: Student Leader: Hinrichs Not Muslim

    http://www.danielpipes.org/pics/large/blog_530_1.jpg“>Ahmed Omar Abu Ali

    Jihad Watch: American Muslim honor student indicted in plot to kill Bush

    Jihad Watch: America’s Homegrown Jihadist

    http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/US/02/13/natl.guard.arrest/vert.anderson.arrest.ap.jpg“>Ryan Anderson
    Jihad Watch: Mowbray on Ryan Anderson’s Islam

    Jihad Watch: Ryan Anderson Charged With Trying to Aid Al Qaeda

    http://www.neandernews.com/wp-content/themes/images/Alayed.jpg“>Mohammed Ali Alayed
    Jihad Watch: Jihad in Houston?

    http://amysrobot.com/files/halder.jpg“>Biswanath Halder
    Who was Biswanath Halder? – Terror in the Afternoon – MSNBC.com

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/al-hussayen.jpg“>Sami Omar Al-Hussayen
    http://www.discoverthenetwork.orgAl-Hussayen, sami omar

    Jihad Watch: No Immigration Charges, Deportation

    http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/LAW/11/24/otsc.toobin/vert.muhammad.ap.jpg“>John Allen Mohammed and Lee Boyd Malvo
    Michelle Malkin: THE JIHADI SNIPERS REVISITED

    Hesham Mohamed Hadayet
    CNN.com : Los Angeles airport shooting kills 3

    Patrick Gott
    USATODAY.com – Two shot in New Orleans airport

    CBS News: Cops: Airport Shooter Acted Alone, Jokes About His Turban Said To Have Sparked Shooting

    John Walker Lindh

    Jihad Watch: ‘American Taliban’ John Walker Lindh Appeals for Early Release

    Jihad Watch: ‘American Taliban’ John Walker Lindh Appeals for Early Release

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050321_Issue/050312_TerrorRessam_vm.widec.jpg“>Ahmed Ressam
    Dhimmi Watch: D.C. Watson: Updated list: “Tiny minority” of Muslim fanatics in America

    Jihad Watch: United American Committee urges forthright action against jihad terror

    FrontPage magazine.com :: War Blog by FrontPage Magazine

    Rashid Baz(no image)
    Jihad Watch: Ostrich Authorities Deny Domestic Terrorism

    Posted by: justamomof4  at February 14, 2007 05:15 PM

  9. FROM ATHENS TO ISLAMABAD

    A Solution to the Islamic Threat

    Isn’t it time to do begin a dialogue on doing something about islam?

    What Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, Zoroastrian, or myriad other religious members can truly take the long view of islam and say, “Yes, though we believe in different paths, we are all the same people”. We are not the same people. We are the same people and than there is islam.

    There is scarcely a region of the world that is not embroiled in a harmful confrontation that is being fomented by members of this “religion”. From Darfur in east Africa to the Philippines, Indonesia, India, Europe, the U.S. and the entire middle east. The rabble we see daily on the news and hear about daily on familiar radio shows are referred to as the “radical islam” or as the “islamofacists”. By this the listener is to conclude that this is a small and unruly element of “the religion of peace”. Isn’t it odd that we never hear from the other 95% of the islamic community? And don’t believe the popular talking head claim that radical islam is corrupting true islam. That is false. Islam corrupts its followers. Islam teaches hate and destruction. Read the books.

    Why’s that? The conspiracy of silence is not a silence cloaked in fear. It’s not a symptom of cultural differences. It’s not a case where the silent islamic majority feels it prudent to let the non-believers handle the situation in their own way. It is a blare of silence that shouts, “Yes, we agree. We support our islamic lions. We believe that an end must come to the infidels. We are with you. Allah uh Akbar”. Don’t believe for a minute that we do not have a potentially fatal third rail among us today.

    The difference between today’s islamic global scourge and that of 1930s Nazism is primarily the fact that islam is not contained. Where Hitler and his murderous machine spread in all directions from Germany, the billion plus islamic hoard is sprinkled around the globe and connected by telephones, the internet and swift passenger jets. Islam is to Nazi-ism what a systemic bacterial infection is to a stab wound. Systemic problems require systemic solutions. But, to treat a septic condition, the host must first recognize the problem and acknowledge a need for a solution. That is where the world body of man is in 2006 (07).

    Many of us are beginning to recognize the infection that won’t go away by bandaging festering wounds as they erupt. For fear of further disrupting regions of islamic discontent, no western political leader will step up to the podium with this frank assessment of this peril. But many of us are beginning to understand that to cure the infection we must destroy the germ that is destroying us.

    Yes, I said destroy. We destroyed Nazi-ism, did we not, though later then we should have in retrospect. Or, our fathers and grandfathers had the vision to see what that threat was about. We destroyed Japanese imperialism after they killed two thousand sailors at Pearl Harbor. Well, our fathers and grandfathers carried that burden. We destroyed the soul of the Soviet Communist threat that openly acknowledged its claim that communism and capitalism could not co-exist on the planet. Well, our fathers …. That is one characteristic that all of these global threats to civilization and decency have shared – the intolerance of any point of view other than their own on a global scale. The apex of ethnocentricity. Another characteristic of these historical world changing events is that the substance of these counter humanistic aggressive realms were destroyed without eliminating all of the Germans, Japanese and Soviet (communists) in the world. This is key to the civilized approach to eliminating the islamic problem.

    So, how do 6.5 billion mostly reasonable people go about destroying (the illness) of 1.5 billion totally self involved and threatening people? Dropping a 15,000 pound air gas bomb on the next anti-Christian, anti-Jew, anti-Hindu, anti-western, anti-lefthander blond western female demonstration in say…. any city east of Athens and west of Islamabad would be a nice start. Haven’t you ever been watching a televised news account of these miserable hateful evil-loving creatures burning effigies (and too often real dead Americans) when you thought to yourself, “Where’s a nice cruise missile or tactical nuke when you need one?” There are two problems with this sentiment. First, there are usually not enough concentrated islamos to justify the expense. Second, I’m not in charge!

    This is the point at which most readers either dismiss these words as lunacy or begin to feel some kinship with the vision of there no longer being the ubiquitous godless mad dog muslim pathogen that so many billions around the world have come to loath and wish an end to. Send them to meet their celestial virgins, I say.

    So, what do we do? What do the millions upon millions of rational, God-loving, Buddha-bowing, Krishna-chanting civilized of us do to stop this lethal spread from reaching its eventual destination? Because unchecked, it will get there one day. With the technical wherewithal and lack of national controls today – from nuclear materials that may have disappeared from the former soviet nations to the porous borders and seaports of our nation – we will sustain more devastating murderous attacks against our citizens unless we break the back of islam.

    Revenge Is an Old Testament Concept

    When a neighborhood dog runs wild and mauls or kills a child living down the street, most of us believe that the dog should be destroyed. Our motivation is not revenge, or seeking justice, or punishment. Most of us want zero recidivism. We don’t want there to be a chance that that dog will bite or kill another child, or ourselves. This is a rational solution to a real problem. And many criminal justice professionals share this philosophy in their field.

    There is a rational view that treats the islam problem in the same way. Justice or revenge may be the personal motive of individuals violated by the islamic sickness on an individual basis. For example, family and friends of victims of 911 or of the crimes perpetrated against Americans working in Iraq who were murdered by islamic laymen might create feelings of revenge and hatred in those left behind. But, just as it is the nature of a mad dog to bite, the islam is dictated by a learned demonic drive to kill non-muslims, if not in fact than in mind. A relatively low number are actually engaged in the practice of killing or being prepared to kill infidels (some estimates are as high as 200,000 to 500,000 non-military armed worldwide). But, essentially all islam is in league with these devils, most by tacit consent. Many may refute this claim. If you don’t believe it, read the books of islam. The islamofaciests are merely carrying out the tenents of their “religion” and all “good” islamists are complicit in this jihad.

    So, if you agree that most, if not all muslims would prefer to live in a pan-islam world and if you agree that at least a few hundred thousand muslims around the world would like to kill you and if you agree that the other billion plus would not mind your being killed if they could keep their hands clean, then we agree on these points. That is the first step in creating a solution to this anti-human lethal problem, islam. Recognize that nearly all of islam is united, that islam is not a religion but is a cult, a cult of death, of subjugation of women, of a concept of mutually exclusive existence of worldwide non-muslims, and that the cult will eventually conquer and dominate the world if it is not destroyed.

    Revenge is an Old Testament concept, unless you happen to be islamic. They do not differentiate between old and new because for them there is only old. Mohammed was a johnny-come-late vengeful unrepentant conqueror who taught by the sword, very much like the stellar cast of characters in the Old Testament. He did not found a religion. Islam is not worthy of the label. Islam is more a cult-like lifestyle. It follows a teaching of hatred and conquest. It is more similar to Nazism than to any of the legitimate religions practiced by civilized people from all nations, including animists living in mud huts in deserts across the globe and those living in thatch huts throughout the world jungles.

    Remember Jesus? That’s when things changed for the Christian community of latter day mankind. Without Jesus, we would probably all be fighting our neighbor, as non-democratic “nations” have done since the dawn of man. Legitimate democratic nations rarely fight each other. You don’t have to know Jesus to be a good and holy person. For example, if the whole world truly practiced Buddhism, there would likely be very little conquest. The same can be said of Hindus, Zoroastrians and many other religions today. But islam could use a good dose of His word. Unfortunately, conversion to a real religion is a capital offense in many islamic countries. So, we may have to ignore the teachings of Jesus and resort to Old Testament practices if we are to prevail. The irony is that the single creed of intolerance that islam proclaims as the holy way may ultimately doom islam to oblivion. Allah be praised!

    How to Eliminate islam in the 21st Century

    To the civilized among us, the word “eliminate” elicits a feeling of revulsion when applied to a people. That is in large part because of the horrors vested upon European Jews in our recent memories. If there is any remote iota of something beneficial to humanity that can be salvaged from that incomprehensible evil, it is this. Never can we civilized people let the mass slaughter of a whole people happen again. And so, the word “elimination” will be used not to imply the murder of the followers of islam, but to describe the unequivocal need to destroy the death cult known as islam.

    As previously mentioned, the conversion to true religions from the cult is punishable by death in many islam dominated countries. That makes it very difficult to abandon the membership. The logical solution is to disband the cult. Without the ability to carry out punitive measures, the cult cannot enforce its mandates. So, let’s examine ways to end islam in our country and to begin a global campaign to first isolate and finally destroy, through its own pathological psychosis, this deadly condition.

    The first thing to do is to drive a stake through the heart of islam. We should give the residents of Mecca and Medina 30 days to vacate the cities. Then, we fire bomb, yes, fire bomb the two cities. Destruction of the “holiest” cities of islam will gut the islamic pathos that condemns the civilized world to their scourge by the concept known throughout the world when we hear the utterances of justification for the slaughter of innocents – children, women and men – in all corners of the world, “It is the will of allah”. Just as islam is not a religion, their allah is not God. Another islam perpetrated myth.

    Next, we offer the 15,000,000 muslims living in our country 90 days to report to designated locations where they are given the choice to either renounce their belief in and practice of islam or be deported. Those who renounce the cult and cease practicing its teachings will be permitted to stay. All others will be deported to the country of their emigration.

    Because there will be no islamic cultists left, their dens of hatred where the love of destruction of the civilized west is worshipped (innocently referred to as mosques) will be leveled and rebuilt as daycare centers, medical clinics, libraries, homeless shelters, interfaith chapels, drug rehabilitation centers, aids hospices, and a myriad other beneficial institutes to serve the good people of America. Funds will come from Homeland Security’s $400,000,000 annual budget, much of which is used to monitor the activities of the 15,000,000 muslims who reside in this country, the apparent 21st century fifth column.

    We will end the immigration of any islamic individual from any country.

    Those unrepentant who return to their countries of origin will be free to practice their cult of hatred and death in free and open islamic societies, just as all religions are free to practice their ways in our country. We, the west, and they, primarily the middle east, can continue in mutually beneficial economic activities. We are a pragmatic nation when it comes to trade and have no problem trading with the enemy when it suites our broader goals. If they turn their hatred towards us by holding the west hostage with the curtailment of access to the world oil supplies, we will destroy the offending county’s capital city and retrieve the oil ourselves, compensating the host country the prevailing rate, less our expeditionary expenses. Oil belongs to the world. Five out of every six people on earth are not muslim.

    As the hating people are further isolated, they will turn their rage to our European cousins. In time, as the islamic nature prevails and more of Europe is swallowed by the new onslaught of the modern day barbarians of islam, nation by nation they will begin to follow the cultural and social saving practices that were years earlier engineered out of necessity by the despised United States of America. As the disease state of islam is further isolated into the sinful corners of their greatly diminished geographic spheres of influence, their pathos will turn on themselves and they will cannibalize the cult of death until it falls below a critical mass. After that point, the still strong civilized nations of the world can redirect their attention to aid and step in to help the remnants of the former cult chart a new course in their history; one absent of the all encompassing hatred of humanity and the belief in the right of destruction bred into the minds of the unfortunate children of islam.

    Think it can’t work? Where are the Nazis today? Where are the Goths? How many Mongolian warlords threaten Paris?

    Eliminate islam, not muslims.

    R. R. Ringo
    The Ozello Rifles
    May 19, 2006

  10. Is this really an article? Even Netscape can do better than this.
    The only thing that being a better Muslim has made me is more keen to the ignorance that you and extremists promote. I lump both of you into the same category.

  11. I have been surprised to find so much hate against the Islam and the muslims
    as when i discovered my self from the Quran,i found out God telling us that you would find the Christians to be the most friendly and soft towards you from amongst other nations.I even brushed aside the Serb brutalities for being unrepresentative of the Christian majority. On the other hand Islam is the same religion as brought by the Prophet Abraham(Peace be upon him),who was neither a christian nor a jew.He believed in one God as the muslims do.After him the jews came and they were ordered by the same God to fight after their flight from Egypt. When they declined ,were left astray for 40 years and finally they fought after the will of God and took control of the city intended for them at the time until they rebelled against God.Then to settle amongst them certain disputes about which they disagreed God sent Prophet Jesus(Peace be upon him),whose example of coming into being(as mentioned in The Quran) is like the creation of Prophet Adam(Peace be upon him) who was created without a father. God created him in this special way so as to be a sign for the children of Israel,and so that they could believe in him and his message.However even upon seeing all of God’s signs and miracles from the Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) the jews rebelled against God and conspired against the Prophet of God, like the nation of Prophet Salih(Peace be upon him) and therefore earned God’s anger. Christians after a while exaggerated the status of Prophet Jesus(Peace be upon him) so much that they professed him to be the son of God and as a god,believing in the trinity and thus going astray from the the true belief of Prophet Abraham(Peace be upon him) of monotheism.Hence came Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) to guide people again to the true path of their father Prophet Abraham.As a result of the God’s divine knowledge about the future course of events God had already informed in the earlier Holy scriptures about the advent of the new Prophet and had sought allegiance to the new Prophet(Peace be upon him) by the jews and christians.The learned from amongst the two nations were waiting for the advent of the new Prophet(Peace be upon him) in the hope of prevailing over the same pagan nations over whom Islam later prevailed. However when they discovered that the new Prophet(Peace be upon him ) is a descendant from Ishmael(Peace be upon him) instead of Issac(Peace be upon him) they denied him as ealier jews denied Prophet Jesus(Peace be upon him).There fore we Muslims believe in the same God as the Jews and Christians and we believe in the same Prophets(peace be upon them),Angels and the Holy Books.Muslims and Islam is therefore painted as an enemy because of the lack of the knowledge about Islam and a deliberate disinformation campaign by the part of a section of the clergy and political elite for their personal interests since the advent of Islam .
    Here ,i would like to comment upon certain points raised in the earlier mails:
    The Holy Kaaba in Mecca was built by Prophet Abraham(Peace be upon him),and muslims are following the same rituals as practised by him.
    Destroying the muslim Holy cities can not defeat the purpose of God neither it can exterminate Islam nor the muslims.So many strong kings like Pharoh,Namrod,and Abraha,and so many strong nations have passed by ,nurturing in them the desire to extinguish the light of God,but have perished with this desire in their hearts,and are perishing in hell fire according to the belief of all of the three religious faiths as mentioned.

    Verses from the Holy Quran quoted above have been quoted out of context.At the time these were revealed by the God Specifically against the enemies of Islam who far out numbered the muslims in number and resources and had perpetrated excesses upon the the helpless muslim converts for over a decade.However Prophet(Peace be upon him) made peace treaties with jews ,christians and the pagans ,allowed them all the rights in a muslim state and judged between them fairly in disputes conering a non muslim and a muslim.He(Peace be upon him) fought the Holy wars as earlier fought by King David,King Solomen,and Prophets(Peace be upon them) towards the children of Israel. However ,the Quranic verses are for all times and these injunctions are for the killing of the opressors,when they are bent upon killing the muslims for their belief in The One and The Only God.

    Later Muslim rulers fought wars to relieve the people of tyrranical regimes,clergy(please note that there is no institution of clergy as such prescribed in Islam),strategic, and economic reasons.However the muslims didn’t exterminate the conquered nations but amalgamated with them without any racial or social bias,for example in Africa,Iran,Central Asia, Indonesia, Malaysia,rest of the Far East and in India.It is note worthy that after more than 800 years of almost continuous muslim rule in India,still the Hindus are in majority.Further more such a long period of rule testifies to their bipartisan approach and justice towards the people of other religion in their country. This has to be contrasted with the extinction of the Red Indians,and the racism and brutalities of the Western colonialists in the past two centuries.

    Muslims have not been responsible for the major wars fought or imposed upon other nations in the last or the present century,and they have not been the fore runners to invent and build weapons of mass destruction.Muslims on the other hand have helped in winning for the West WW1,WW2(A large contingent of muslims in the British Indian army),and most notably against the communism.Saudi Arabia took economic measures on the behest of the West to destabilize Communist Soviet economy,Pakistan army and Air Force downed many Soviet air force planes,and in organizing the resistance,and finally in defeating the arch enemy of the West with the help of muslim youths from all over the World.

    The views of myself and majority of the muslims at the time of 9/11 were those of skepticism towards the events as perpetrated by the muslims.We came to know about the name of Al Qeda from the West,and this means that it was not a movement known to the majority muslims.We were not convinced about the link of Iraq towards terrorism and even Afghanistan
    as many other non muslim nations and our stand has been vindicated by the majority in the West including the US public.9/11 has damaged the cause of muslims in Palestine, Afghanistan,and therefore was orchestrated to get these objectives,and to change the map of the middle east by the new imperial powers of the World and to get a direct hold on the energy resources of the area.Indiscriminate bombings killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in an unjust war,and the reaction to the occupation forces is natural,as witnessed in France and Polland inWW2, and in the Vietnam.

    Finally, i take comfort in the idea that the majority in the West does’nt have such pathological views about Islam and the Muslims as evidenced by the mainstream media , noted western scholars ,and people despite inadequate information about us and our religion.I pray to The Only One God of Adam,Noah,Abraham,Modes,Jesus,and finally Muhammad(Peace be upon them),and The same God for all the religions , (including the earlier Hindus, Holy Book Ved describes a monotheistic religion,but unfotunately it’s language is understood by less than people in double digits, and for the meagre earthly gains of the clergy truth is not conveyed to the people)
    to guide us and the ones who have gone astray and the ones who have earned your anger because of rebellion,and to enable us to look at the commonality of faith,and so to reach the truth and live with each other in peace,without opression and exploitation.

  12. Thanks Ringo,

    For that bit of reasoned insanity. Oh, yes, the “good people of America” should prevail so that no other part of the planet will ever be safe in their own beliefs, resources or borders. You clever bigots make me laugh. Ever seen Bill Cosby’s bit on bigots? Eventually, everyone who isn’t you gets put behind a fence somewhere, no bloodshed, mind you, just push them there to get them out of YOUR face. Thank God you aren’t in a position of power.
    OK, Islam is dangerous. Islam is practised in a dangerous, all encompassing, cult-like way. But the secret is in education and openness. Most of the world’s muslims are moderate and not into the teachings of Jihad.
    You, on the other hand, are dangerous and fomenting fear and hatred. Your America the Great mindset is typical and ill considered. America itself will fall as all empire building nations before it have fallen and may be well into its fall already. God willing. No one nation should ever feel the freedom yours does to invade, persecute, infiltrate, demonize, pressure and threaten.

  13. Sudden Jihad Syndrome? WTF?

    His religious background is completely irrelevant to the shooting. If he were a Christian, you would not hear anything about his religious affiliation. Having his possible affiliation as a Muslim stated in the article only makes it look as though Islam was a factor in his crime.

    No mention about religion here,as I can see:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School_

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonesboro_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_High_School_sho

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_sho

    No doubt, Talovic did a very, very bad thing, a cruel crime, but religion is irrelevant in this situation.
    My prayers are with the victims and their families.

  14. It is amazing to hear Americans discussing issues around culture, politics and war in Bosnia- a topic none of the North Americans will ever understand. As a Bosnian BUT not a muslim I am quite amuzed by the ignorance of some when they veture into discussion on this matter. If any of you have lived or ever been to Bosnia you would have understood why I say this. There is a deep ignorance around Bosnia in the West and the comments made by some people in various formus and blogs on this story has just confirmed. Has anyone ever asked is the American gun culture might have had something with this boy’s violence? Has anyone asked if the media, video-game industry had anything to do with it? No, the first thing that was said was Jihad and Muslim.
    As soneone who is not muslim but has many firends and family who are I am truly appalled… In any case I suggest that people who know nothing about Bosnia, its culture, politics and history – and especially American involevement in the recent war- say nothing about those things.

  15. I don’t believe you, Bojana.

    You are a Muslim pretending not to be a Muslim. Twice.

    Yes, there is deep ignorance about Muslims in the West, but not on my side, because I know the East. Many Westerners are learning, and some of them are fast learners, let me tell you.

    And I know that no Christian Bosniac would write what you are posting: The Christian Bosians know the Muhammedans well, very well. They hate ’em with a passion, and they are no longer ‘ignorant’…

  16. Islam is not a religion, its an ideology of fear, lies, death, pain and suffering which is the fate of anyone who is a Muslim or who comes in contact with one.

    Muslims want to intimidate you and make you too afraid to speak your own mind. That is why you see those crazy mobs in the street threatening anyone who speaks against them.

    There is nothing religious in the Qur’an, unless you consider that verses that tell you to kill people can be called religious. If you want to be religious , then pick a real religion , one that teaches to love life, not death.

    The Qur’an was not revealed from God by the way, it was made up by a bunch of people in the 8th century by stealing bits from the Bible and other sources. Muhammad did exist but he was more of a bloody warlord not a man of peace, witness testimony from his time attest to that.

    Islam is NOT the fastest growing religion in the world. In a world where people are free to leave Islam, it would probably collapse. The only way the Muslims can hold their religion together is by killing anyone who criticizes or talks about leaving Islam. Now that is desperate. If Islam was so great why do they have to try to kill anyone who wants to publicly leave it? If it is so great, why are they so afraid of letting other religions getting a foothold in their countries?

    Christianity is growing much faster than Islam in Africa, but Muslims do not want you to know that. And the fastest growing religion is the world in China is? Christianity. And the fastest growing religion in Russia is? Christianity . And the fastest growing religion in the USA is? Christianity.( The majority of the immigrants are Christians.)

    Islam is a religion that leads to poverty, suffering, and murder and yes when you are a Muslim you will probably wind up hurting someone in your family directly or indirectly.

    Muslim also have a nasty thing called honor killing where they murder a member of their family if that person does things like date someone that is not acceptable.

    In any case, if you are a Muslim, then get prepared for lots of suffering because that is what Islam will bring to your life. One thing Islam does not teach is that the evil Muslims commit will come back to them. Check out the headlines in the papers and look at those Muslim faces, do they look happy to you?

    Islam teaches you mostly to lie and twist everything around to make Islam look good and everything else look bad.

    And here is a something that Muslims do not want you to know: Islam does equal terrorism. Why? Because the Koran says to terrorize non-believers.

    Muslims worship their god Allah, which used to be the Moon god Allah, but now they say that it is the same god as the Christians and Jews, only their God has a totally different personality and agenda than the loving god of the Christians . Allah is a nasty, “kill and burn” everyone who does not agree type of God.

    Muslims only say they believe in Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Adam, to make them seem legitimate, but in reality they go around burning Christian churches and Jewish synagogues and killing Christians and Jews around the world. They chant death to Jews and Christians and pray for their destruction in their mosques.

    And yes, the Qur’an, does preach violence against non-Muslims and even against Muslims who do not want to hate non-Muslims. Check out Iraq , more Muslims kill Muslims than anyone else.

    Islam basically teaches to either kill, enslave or convert non-Muslims, but they will usually deny that right up to the moment when they put the knife to your neck and give you a choice of convert or the knife.

    As soon as Islam was developed in the 7th century, the fanatical Muslims went on a rampage around the middle east killing and murdering anyone who would not convert or who would oppose them. That seems to be their idea of peace, like the peace of a battlefield after everyone has been killed.

    Those who did not want to convert, were made honorary slaves, they were called dhimmi, which meant that you had to buy your life by paying money for the rest of your life and were treated like dirt, and if you insulted Islam in any way they would kill you and take your children away. You also had no rights to Justice, so Muslims could do whatever they wanted to you or your family (like kill, maim, murder, rape) and get away with it.

    Muslims say they only attack if attacked first but, they always have attacked first. The crusades from Europe began in the 11th century, but the Jihad against Europe began in the 7th century. Which came first ? You figure that one out.

    Israel, by the way is the homeland of the Jews, Jesus was born in Israel right before the 1st century and he himself was a Jew. Islam only came into existence in the 7th century and Islam was an invader of Israel since that time.

    Oklahoma City Bombing was done in collusion with Islamic terrorists from the Philippines where Timothy McVeigh ‘s father lived and where he learned to make the bombs from Islamic terrorist.

    Slavery of Africans/Blacks in the Americas stems from Islam. Who do you think captured and sold the African blacks into slavery? Muslims slave traders. That is another thing they do not want you to know. And what is the last country to abolish slavery ? Saudi Arabia, the homeland of Islam, in 1962!

    9/11 had everything to do with Islam. It was an Islamic attack according to Bin Laden, that is what he said in his own words, and all the terrorists were extremely committed to Islam.

    Muslims are haters, of Jews, that is for sure, just check out the middle eastern mobs in the streets.

    Muslims are consistently seen marching in the street railing against freedom of speech, democracy and human rights of women.

    Muslims like to make all sorts of false claims about scientific discoveries but what they don’t tell you is that they stole the discoveries from Hindus, Christians, Jews or Persians . If they were so clever then why is the Middle East so backwards and poor and why have Muslims not invented anything in the past thousand years? And why do Muslims kill anyone who thinks for themselves? The reason is because Islam is anti science, they only want you to believe what the Qur’an says and if you say its not true then they go into a rage and try to kill you.

    Many Muslims mostly survive thanks to the mercy of the rest of the world. Without the support of the civilizations of the rest of the world they would perish. Many Muslims cannot accomplish anything in their own countries so they go to non Muslim countries to live off of the Western civilization that they say they hate so much.

  17. Why dose U.S instantly believe that everyone who’s not from U.S and they are a Muslim, and if they do some thing that they are automatically a Muslim Terrorist ?

  18. Well said, Fred. The unfortunate truth is that we in America are so fortunate and the American psyche so hopeful that as a people we cannot conceive the reality of the islamic dementia. Historically, our nearest parellel is the Inquisition of the late middle ages and the Crusades of an earlier time. But, as the west (Europe and the Americas) became more civilized and with that, tolerant, we became a less cruel culture. Many think of the US as imperialistic. In fact, we do globally what is best for us (including Mexico and Canada), Great Britain, Europe and Japan in that order. We are not intent on converting the world to Christianity, though force-feeding democracy to totalitarian regimes is a national trait.

    Those of us who are cognizent of the islamic drive to destroy the culture of non-believers are going to suspect islamic murderers as being motivated by jihad, regardless of their motives. The young man in Salt Lake may have been a distraught teen who wanted to kill some people before dying himself. That happens. But, jihad will be the first suspect when an event like this occurs. We see what is happening in Europe (some called it Eurabia) and do not want it here.

  19. Here’s an incomplete list of Sudden Jihad Syndrome terrorists who were all described as acting alone by the cops and/or FBI:

    Ali R. Warrayat
    An Arizona Home Depot employee jumped out of the car’s path. To drown out the man’s yells, Warrayat reached over to his car radio and blasted Arabic music before crashing through the front doors.

    Charles Bishop (Bishra)
    A note written by the 15-year-old boy who crashed a Cessna into a Tampa office building indicated he supported Osama bin Laden and that the act was deliberate, authorities say.

    Haider Mohammed
    Contacted by Palm Springs Police, FBI investigators described Muslim who was arrested after threatening to ‘Kill All Jews’ as “not a person of interest.”

    Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet
    The suspect, Egyptian-born Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet, left two people dead and five injured at the El Al airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport before being fatally shot by a security guard.

    John Muhammad
    Federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint, charging alleged Beltway Sniper John Muhammad with 20 felony counts, including extortion and intent to commit murder.

    Marc Lepine (Gamal Gharbhi)
    For 45 minutes on Dec. 6, 1989 an enraged gunman roamed the corridors of Montreal’s École Polytechnique and killed 14 women.

    Mohammed Ali Alayed
    After apparently undergoing a religious awakening, a Saudi Arabian student in Houston killed his Jewish friend by slashing his throat.

    Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar
    Just-graduated student named Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, 22, and an Iranian immigrant, drove a sport utility vehicle into a crowded pedestrian zone at University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. He struck nine people.

    Naveed Afzal Haq
    Eyewitnesses told the Seattle News that Mr. Haq announced, “I’m a Muslim American; I’m angry at Israel,” and then began shooting. He killed one woman and wounded five others.

    Omeed Aziz Popal
    Up to 14 hurt in San Francisco hit-and-run spree. Seven are critical. The driver believed to have struck and killed a man in Fremont earlier.

    Sulejman Talovic
    Police Tuesday identified the gunman accused in Monday night’s Trolley Square shooting as Sulejman Talovic, an 18-year-old Bosnian refugee who lived in Salt Lake City.

  21. To Reasonable Pete,

    Pete,

    If you ever spent time in America you would learn that we export far more than money and materiale. We export love. The private citizens of America contribute hundreds of millions of dollars every year to help people of every color creed and country in this world with very few exceptions. And to those few we are trying to make a safe and humanistic outcome for all parties. We don’t build walls. We tear them down.

    If I were in a position of power, I’d force love into every corner of this earth. When I read about the inconceivable cruelty vested upon simple people of our world, it makes me weak. It is always the indigenous and indigent who suffer the first and the most. Look at the poor desert people of Darfur. The Africans killed in the Embassy bombings. The countless people slaughtered in the name of allah, which is no more than a sword to hold up.

    Islam is determined to drive the rest of us into a pan-islamic world. You know it, they know it and I know it. The problem is, the others don’t know it. Islam is so new to our culture that it’s like a storm passing by. But, it doesn’t go away.

    “OK, Islam is dangerous.” Did you really write that? When was the last time Americans started forcing their ways upon the day to day way of life in Europe? Oh, that’s right. In about 1945. Gee, I wonder if Hitler would have been a better conqueror?

    “Ilsam is practiced in a dangerous an all-encompassing cult-like way.” Well, thanks for making my point. Is that supposed to make us feel better?

    Education and openess? How bloody nieve (sp) can you be? They cannot be educated in a western open way because they do not have the capacity for critical thinking. If you understand the absolute control exerted over their free will, through the teachings of ilam, allah be praised, then you know what I’m talking about.

    Let me explain something about my view and how there is no room in it for me to foment fear or hatred. I have no animosity against the practicers of islam. Nor do I fear them. That said, I do not trust any of them nor do I trust what they say. Their own books advocate treachery if it advances islam. Lying to an infidel is like lying to a dog.

    Unfortunately, you are right about the decline of our country. But, hopefully our southern brothers, the other Americans from Mexico and beyond, will restore our committment to our way of life as they become our new blood. We are so strong from our past immigrations of Irish, Italians, Germans, English, Spanish, Chinese and many more people. Our way of life has been good for our people. We don’t want another people forcing their way of life on us.

    We are America. We have made mistakes in the past. We are committed to maintaining our free way of life and to impose freedom where none exists. We’re strong, proud and united. Why don’t you come visit? I’d love to show you around.

    ps. If you’re already here, come down anyway.

  22. babygirl,

    The reason that we suspect islamic connections when we have an attack is because they are the only ones after us. Who should we suspect? Icelandic Baptists? Russian Jews? Seminole Indians? No. Islam has declared war. That’s why we treat certain kinds of incidents as being islamic inspired.

    For those muslims who abhor the slaughter, let them rise up. If they fear being smacked then let them team with the non-believers. We are always the ones who send our sons and daughters to protect the smacked. Around here, you smack a woman and you go to jail.

  23. sheikyermami, Fred Jones, & Ringo are right on. schahzad (peace be upon him) is living in a dream world. “your mother is a whore”. Wait a minute, before you have a cow? (is that offensive to muslims? or is it pigs?) anyway, you are taking that out of context!!! I didn’t really mean your mother is a whore, heh I don’t even know her. Sure I’m being absurd. So is it to claim the verses quoted from the Quran are out of context. What is the very last verse? “I didn’t really mean it” If you don’t believe what your own books say, then get a new religion. Your arrogant attitude says it all. Your religion was first, our God is really your god, Jesus (peace be upon Him) was just a man mentioned in our book too, and your ridiculous religiosity of having to say “peace be upon him” all the time. If you were truly a man of peace be upon you, you would rise up against these heretics and disown them, excomunicate them, dissavow their beliefs as having anything to do with yours. You would shout it from the mountain tops to defend your peaceful religion……..But you don’t. You are silent, or just wisper because the truth is you believe in the same things they do. You just won’t admit it. Peace my ass!

  24. Bojana, do they have a different Quran in Bosnia? Is it a different Mohammed? I have many guns & I never shot anybody. I love video games & I never killed anyone. We do not preach the killing of anyone or the beheading of anyone.

  28. there is no surprise that the media would interpret what Sulejman Talovic did as a RELIGIOUS THING, after 9/11 of course, every one seems to blame Muslims for what ever else occurs on the planet…. its like do they have a connection ? what are they trying to prove..?? but my question is this. Sulejman was a BOSNIAN MUSLIM which means that those people observe different traditions than Iraq or any of those other countries, BOSNIA HAS BEEN AFFECTED BY A WAR WHICH THEY CAN NEVER RECOVER FROM. DOES ANY ONE HEAR OR READ STUFF ABOUT BOSNIA.. I DONT BELIEVE IT.. I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY WOULD BOSNIANS DO THIS AFTER ALL THEY BEEN THROUGH..

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