Stoning "has nothing to do with Islam"

* If we allow these bullsh*t denials to continue, it won’t be long before we are told that even Islam “has nothing to do with Islam”…


Stoning of Soraya M actress spreads comforting falsehoods: Stoning “has nothing to do with Islam”

The Stoning of Soraya M. is a great film; I attended an advance screening of it last year in Los Angeles, and strongly recommend that you see it. It is a powerfully moving indictment of the Islamic practice of stoning adulterers, and indirectly of the Sharia in general — however, those connected with the film are doing their level best to avoid giving the impression that the film has anything to do with Islam at all. The latest to do this, but by no means the only one, is actress Shohreh Aghdashloo, who portrays the victim’s close friend. This is understandable in today’s politically correct Obamoid climate, but it is unfortunate for the Muslim women who are victimized by this barbaric practice: they will never get justice as long as the world is busy making excuses for what victimizes them, instead of calling to account those who are responsible.

Anyway, Aghdashloo makes a number of factually false statements in this article — not just false, but misleading, and ultimately enabling those who perpetuate the practice of stoning.

“MOVIE PROFILE: Shohreh Aghdashloo of ‘The Stoning of Soraya M.,’” by Todd Hill for theStaten Island Advance, June 25 (thanks to JW):

“It’s been happening since the Stone Age, in Judaism, Christianity, Islam. Other nations and religions have gotten rid of it, and all of a sudden, after 2,000 years of monarchy we’re facing it in Iran. What makes me feel devastated is the fact that it’s happening there, the cradle of civilization,” said the actress.

“It’s been happening since the Stone Age, in Judaism, Christianity, Islam.” In fact, no. The Hebrew Scriptures mandate stoning but it has not been carried out in Judaism since the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D., or before that. Islamic tradition contains stories of Muhammad confronting Jewish rabbis who try to conceal the fact that the Torah teaches stoning — they seem to know that Muhammad was a brutal flat-footed literalist who would demand they carry out these teachings literally, when they understood them in a quite different way. I will include some of this at the end of this post.

As for Christianity, stoning has never been practiced except among those strange Christians one encounters only in TV dramas. Jesus famously raised the bar for stoning beyond human reach when he said to a crowd that was poised to stone an adulteress, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7).

“Along with enriching uranium they’re stoning people, and this is what I cannot get, I cannot put the two together.”Aghdashloo stressed that stoning isn’t mentioned in the Koran.

“It has nothing to do with Islam. It’s under the category of superstitions and traditions, but obviously those who have hijacked Islam are manipulating people and using this as an Islamic law. It is not, really,” said Aghdashloo, who prepared for her role by watching a real stoning on videotape.

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Stoning has everything to do with Islam and Islamic law. The caliph Umar, one of Muhammad’s closest companions, even maintained that it was originally in the Qur’an:

‘Umar said, “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, “We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,” and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” Sufyan added, “I have memorized this narration in this way.” ‘Umar added, “Surely Allah’s Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.” (Bukhari, vol. 8, bk. 82, no. 816)

“Allah’s Apostle” is, of course, Muhammad, who did indeed carry out stonings. Here is the hadith in which he challenges the rabbis about stoning, and in which there is amidst the barbarism and brutality a final act of love and compassion:

The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah’s Apostle said to them, “What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?” They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them.” Abdullah bin Salam said, “You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm.” They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, “Lift your hand.” When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, “Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. (‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar said, “I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones.” (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 56, no. 829)

Even the monkeys practiced stoning, according to another hadith:

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them. (Bukhari, vol. 5, bk. 58, no. 188)

Muhammad’s example is, of course, normative for Islamic behavior, since “verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much” (Qur’an 33:21).

And so Islamic law does indeed mandate stoning for adultery. ‘Umdat al-Salik, a manual of Islamic law endorsed by Al-Azhar University in Cairo, the most influential institution in the world of Sunni Islam, says this about the penalty for adultery:

If the offender is someone with the capacity to remain chaste, then he or she is stoned to death…, someone with the capacity to remain chaste meaning anyone who has had sexual intercourse (A: at least once) with their spouse in a valid marriage, and is free, of age, and sane….If the penalty is stoning, the offender is stoned even in severe heat or cold, and even if he has an illness from which he is expected to recover. A pregnant woman is not stoned until she gives birth and the child can suffice with the milk of another. (‘Umdat al-Salik o12.2, o12.6)


The film is great, and depicts the truth. It is a pity that the film’s actors and producers feel compelled to deny and downplay the real cause of this crime against humanity. By doing so, they only ensure that it will keep happening.

4 thoughts on “Stoning "has nothing to do with Islam"”

  1. No Islam did not think of first, seeing that Islam was a “religous” afterthought. But this and all barbaric act are now firmly cemented into the belief system known as Islam.

  2. They probably realised that they were being a wee bit too truthful and hastily retracted the links to stoning in islam via media interviews, for fear of being stoned to death themselves.

  3. Stoning is part of sharia law and stoning is specifically permitted. From Muslim Hadith no. 4206: And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al–Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on his face he cursed her . . .”

    And, from the Koran itself: Sura 24:2: The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. [This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime (illegal sex), but if married persons commit it (illegal sex), the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah’s law.

    So, if Muhammad did it, it’s the perfect thing to do, according to Islam. Muhammad was the perfect example for humanity and must be emulated. That’s the crux of this issue. No Muslim can criticize Muhammad nor Islam.

    And, Muhammad did participate in stoning:

    (Hadith) Volume 8, Book 82, Number 806:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    A man came to Allah’s Apostle while he was in the mosque, and he called him, saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse.'” The Prophet turned his face to the other side, but that man repeated his statement four times, and after he bore witness against himself four times, the Prophet called him, saying, “Are you mad?” The man said, “No.” The Prophet said, “Are you married?” The man said, “Yes.” Then the Prophet said, ‘Take him away and stone him to death.” Jabir bin ‘Abdullah said: I was among the ones who participated in stoning him and we stoned him at the Musalla. When the stones troubled him, he fled, but we over took him at Al-Harra and stoned him to death.”

    Volume 8, book 8, number 817 is particularly long but, as narrated by Ibn ‘Abbas, it says: “Allah’s Apostle (Muhammad) did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him.”

  4. So you’re telling us that the Hadith is over the Quran? The Quran gives the punishment for adultery and fornication and makes no distinction. Let me see if I have this right we take a woman or man out and stone them to death, but yet we halal an animal with mercy? Stoning has nothing to do with Islam. I don’t care if you bring every scholar in the world of Islam to confirm this inhuman behavior, I will never accept such barbarity. I accept the Quranic verdict, period. I hope the Western nations will continue shed light on this matter. The world needs to witness how just how pathetic and inhuman we are. The West needs to fight and defeat this nonsense.

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