Forget Rehab For Jihadists

We posted this before and we post it again, because what we are seeing is another waste of taxpayer money to fight the chimera of “violent extremism”. It is not in our interest to “support people Muslims to deradicalise and disengage from violent ideologies”.  Fact is there are few “violent ideologies”, but none more troubling and toxic than Islam.

A spokeswoman for the Attorney-General’s Department said a $13.4 million program to counter violent extremism is being developed and will include early intervention and counter radicalisation programs to help and support people to deradicalise and disengage from violent ideologies.–Natalie O’Brien

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Ridicule is best and cheapest way to de-radicalise

SOCIAL workers, counsellors, and psychologists are not going to stop ­jihadi terrorists by pampering them with so-called de-radicalisation programs (“Unshackling the minds of ­Islamists”, 27-28/9).

These self-centred sociopaths will be stopped only by capturing them, convicting them, and imprisoning them for many years, releasing them as broken old men unable to harm anyone; and by making their activities and ideology anathema to their families, peers and religious community.

Alternatively they could be put up against the wall and shot, which would ensure that no recidivism occurs.

Any proposal to shower attention on potential or actual jihadists in deradicalisation programs should be rejected for the expensive, cumbersome and ineffective academic and social welfare con-job that it is. A campaign to ridicule and anathematise jihadists as gutless wannabes will be far cheaper and much more effective.—Merv Bendle,Mount Louisa,Qld

Deradicalisation program ‘needs to be adopted in Australia’

Mohammedan taqiyya gigolo’s and their leftist enablers promote the failed policies of the west in Australia:

An intervention program successfully used in Europe to deradicalise violent extremists and potential jihadis needs to be adopted in Australia, says a counter-terrorism researcher.

Dr Anne (Azza) Aly has put a proposal to the federal government to fund a program that has been successfully used  in Germany with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. It is also being established in Britain to help disrupt foreign fighters heading to Syria and Iraq. (Failure guaranteed. Full post below the fold.)

Denmark introduces rehab for Syrian fighters

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An innovative rehabilitation programme offers Danish fighters in Syria an escape route and help without prosecution.

Aarhus, Denmark - An innovative rehabilitation programme is offering Danish Muslims in Syria an escape route from the conflict zone and help getting their lives back on track without the threat of prosecution.

The programme, a collaboration between welfare services and police in Aarhus, Denmark’s second largest city, offers treatment for shrapnel and gunshot wounds and psychological trauma to returning fighters and humanitarian volunteers as well as assisting them with finding work or resuming their education.

The programme also provides support to the families of those already in Syria, ranging from helping them stay in touch via Skype to liaising with government officials, consulates and intelligence agencies to help get their relatives home when they decide they want to leave.

The scheme offers an alternative approach to the latest tough measures unveiled this week in the UK, where returning Britons already faced likely arrest and the threat of prosecution on terrorism charges.

David Cameron, the British prime minister, on Monday gave police additional powers to confiscate passports and place restrictions on suspected extremists, as well as announcing moves to ban British citizens deemed to pose a threat to national security from returning to the UK.

Last month Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, said returnees from Iraq and Syria should be presumed guilty of involvement in terrorism unless they could prove otherwise.

‘Soft hands approach’

Unlike in England, where maybe you’re interned for a week while they figure out who you are, we say ‘Do you need any help?’ - Steffen Nielsen, crime prevention advisor

But Steffen Nielsen, a crime prevention advisor and part of a multi-agency task force tackling radicalisation and discrimination in Aarhus, said authorities there have instead adopted a “soft-hands approach” and were providing help to about 10 out of 15 people who had returned from Syria.

“We are actually embracing them when they come home. Unlike in England, where maybe you’re interned for a week while they figure out who you are, we say ‘Do you need any help?'” Nielsen told Al Jazeera.

While accepting that some returnees did pose a threat that would require security services to “kick down doors”, Nielsen said most needed support to recover from an often terrifying and demoralising ordeal.

“A lot of guys who come home have experienced a loss of innocence and some sort of loss of moral belief. They thought they were going down there for a good cause. And what they found was thugs who are decapitating women and children and raping and killing people, and everything smells and you’ve got diarrhoea from drinking the water and it’s not the great cosmic battle for al-Sham that you’d imagined.”

Denmark’s PET intelligence agency estimates that more than 100 people have gone to Syria since the war began in 2011, and that at least 15 have died. It said in June that a “significant number” of Danes had acquired “specific military skills as a result of training and participation in combat operations” which could be used to carry out terror attacks.

Police in Aarhus believe they include about 30 people from the city. Danish media reported in July on the death of a local teenager alleged to have been fighting with Islamic State while another local man, a 21-year-old white Danish convert, is believed to have carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq earlier this year.

But Nielsen remains sceptical about how many have been involved in serious fighting and said most who had returned appeared to have travelled to participate in humanitarian work.

He is wary of pictures posted on social media of supposed foreign fighters posing with weapons, suspecting that few graduate to the frontline. Those that did were not the ones coming home, he added.

“The intelligence service says more than 100 people have gone to Syria and their definition is always that they have gone there to fight. But we don’t know if they are fighting, and we suspect that the intelligence service doesn’t know either.”

Nielsen said the programme’s separation from the work of the security services and police investigators was critical to its credibility and ability to build relationships in Aarhus’ Muslim communities.

“We are very upfront. If we have very clear information that you have fertiliser in the basement then we will pass that on. Otherwise we have a principle that no information goes to the secret service because we can’t work with people if they think we are passing on information.”

Comfort is key

This is also our approach. Don’t make them feel that they have done something wrong.- Oussama El Saadi, Grimhojvej mosque

The programme has also proved effective in stemming the flow of volunteers to Syria by reaching out to leaders of a controversial local mosque linked in the Danish media to 22 people who travelled there last year. Since then, just one person is believed to have followed them.

“They had to decide whether they wanted to talk to us or reject us and they chose to talk. Kudos to them,” said Nielsen. “We said, we think it should be handled like this. Young people without any training shouldn’t be going to Syria. People from Denmark are not equipped to handle themselves in a conflict zone.”

Oussama El Saadi, chairman of the Grimhojvej mosque, said leaders of the mosque were supportive of the approach taken by the local authorities.

“We think this is the right way,” El Saadi told Al Jazeera. “Not blaming them and making them feel that they have done a terrible thing and losing contact with them. This is also our approach. Don’t make them feel that they have done something wrong. Give them an opportunity to come back and tell what they have experienced.”

While the UK’s latest package of counter-terrorism measures includes compulsory participation in a de-radicalisation programme for those deemed to hold radical beliefs, Nielsen said Aarhus’ scheme was voluntary and did not address issues of ideology.

“We don’t spend a lot of energy fighting ideology. We don’t try to take away your jihadist beliefs. You are welcome to dream of the Caliphate. But there are some means that you cannot use according to the penal code here. You can be al-Shabab all you like, as long as you don’t actually do al-Shabab.”

‘Trial and error’

Mehdi Mozaffari, an expert on Islamism and radicalisation at Aarhus University, said he welcomed efforts to help young Muslims in the city at risk of being drawn into violence.

But he said work was needed more widely in Denmark to promote democratic values in marginalised communities and to integrate young Muslims and called for a coherent European Union-wide strategy to tackle the threat posed by Islamic extremism.

“It is positive. Every attempt to keep them out of terrorism and war is welcome,” Mozaffari told Al Jazeera. “There is a need for decisive initiatives but I don’t think this kind of small project will radically change the situation and nothing guarantees that it will be a success.”

Nielsen accepts that much of the work being done in Aarhus is “trial and error”, describing the city as a “petri dish” for new methods. He said much of the programme had been developed when Jabhat al-Nusra was still the dominant rebel faction, with the rapid rise of Islamic State posing new dangers and greater uncertainty for Danes involved in the conflict.

“It has made communication easier. Islamic State is so openly violent that it has made it easier for us to say, look, these guys are crazy, these guys do outrageous stuff. You are the one who risk being maimed and used in fighting against other rebels instead of Assad’s forces. But at the same time, their success makes them more appealing to some young people.”

Danish authorities are also coming under increasing political pressure to take a tougher approach, with police on Wednesday arresting the head of an aid charity accused of raising money for Islamic State, and leaders of right-wing parties calling on the government to create powers to strip Danes who travel to Syria of their citizenship.

“We are experiencing more political pressure to do something more like the British stuff,” said Nielsen. “The entire political debate is rife with simplifications. You can choose to shut them out and say okay, you chose to be a jihadist, we can’t use you anymore. Or you can take the inclusive way and say, okay, there is always a door if you want to be a contributing member to society. Not because we are nice people, but because we think that is what works.”

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Failure guaranteed:

No amount of money will deradicalise a devout Muslim who believes in Muhammad and follows the Koran:

Trainer programs show people to recognise signs of radicalisation: Hass Dellal.Trainer programs show people to recognise signs of radicalisation: Hass Dellal. Photo: Simon Schluter

An intervention program successfully used in Europe to deradicalise violent extremists and potential jihadis needs to be adopted in Australia, says a counter-terrorism researcher.

Dr Anne (Azza) Aly has put a proposal to the federal government to fund a program that has been successfully used in Germany with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. It is also being established in Britain to help disrupt foreign fighters heading to Syria and Iraq.

Dr Aly, a researcher at Curtin University and the founding chair of group People against Violent Extremism (PaVE), said the Hayat program would be the first of its kind in Australia and the only one directly tackling deradicalisation.

She said its primary focus is on the critical security issue of foreign fighters, both those wanting to travel overseas to fight as well as returnees.

“It helps families and communities to intervene and dissuade people from becoming radicalised and going to fight in other countries,” Dr Aly said.

“Family and friends are likely to be the first to see early signs of radicalisation but have no recourse to intervene and disrupt this process.”

Dr Aly said her research showed that the terrorism message and its manipulation was taking away individuals’ “self agency” and making them feel that they had no other options and that they are under an obligation to go to fight.

“It is the same as white supremacy groups. They become a group or hive mentality,” she said.

A spokeswoman for the Attorney-General’s Department said a $13.4 million program to counter violent extremism is being developed and will include early intervention and counter radicalisation programs to help and support people to deradicalise and disengage from violent ideologies.

She said the department had been in discussion with Germany in designing the program and had spoken with Curtin University about their ideas to apply some of the approaches taken in Germany to Australia.

The Hayat program works on the idea that the minds of people being radicalised cannot be changed by force and threats from authorities but rather by their next of kin.

The program starts with a hotline for family or friends to call and register their concerns. That triggers an assessment of the situation by a team of experts to determine the stage of radicalisation they are at and whether an intervention is needed. Then a specific program is worked out for the family and friends to undertake to re-engage the individual at risk.

Some of that involves training families on how to speak to the individual, bringing in religious counsellors if necessary and providing 24/7 support for the family if needed.

“There is no easy way. It is in-depth and a lot of work. You have to deal with each case intensively. But we need the cooperation of  government,” Dr Aly said.

Another program which has been successful in helping people to identify early signs of radicalisation is the Australian Multicultural Foundation.

Hass Dellal, the executive director of AMF, said they had been running train the trainer programs showing people to look for and recognise warning signs.

Mr Dellal said often mothers and siblings noticed the changes first in someone who was on the path to radicalisation but didn’t really understand what was happening.

The project gives them a “tool kit” of things to look for including change of behaviours, ideology and isolation or shifts in relationships and attitudes towards things such as criminal methods being used to suit a purpose.

Mr Dellal said there is a perception that people should just “know” what is happening, but often that is not the case.

He said young people – peer to peer – was often the best way to give the people at risk another narrative or option to get them back on the right track.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/deradicalisation-program-needs-to-be-adopted-in-australia-20141004-10mil7.html#ixzz3FDP6ykoP

5 thoughts on “Forget Rehab For Jihadists”

  1. I’m getting fed up with my taxes being wasted on these islam mongrels.

    A $14 million program for deradicalising, what a crock of shit.

    The public servants plotting these scams need to be sacked.

    Friggin crazy world and I have to pay it, frig that.

    Cheaper option is to line the war criminals up against the wall and execute them for treason and terrorism.

    islam has just got to go. Utter garbage and bastardry.

  2. Here’s a quote from an article by Nicolai Sennels, May 2010 in The New English Review entitled: Muslims and Westerners: The Psychological Differences :

    “We need to understand that it is not possible to integrate masses of Muslims into our Western societies. We need to understand that our non-confrontational Western ways of handling conflicts make us look weak and vulnerable to Muslim leaders. We need to understand that Muslim culture is much stronger and more determined than our guilt-ridden, self-excusing Western culture. We need to understand that Muslims will only feel at home in a Muslim culture and this is why their religious demands for Islamization of the West will never end.”

    How long before our Western societies finally wake up to this inconvenient truth? We need to halt immigration of Muslims into Australia and other Western countries. That will solve a lot of problems. Let Islam take care of its own!

  3. Here’s a quote from an article by Nicolai Sennels, May 2010 in The New English Review entitled: Muslims and Westerners: The Psychological Differences :

    “We need to understand that it is not possible to integrate masses of Muslims into our Western societies. We need to understand that our non-confrontational Western ways of handling conflicts make us look weak and vulnerable to Muslim leaders. We need to understand that Muslim culture is much stronger and more determined than our guilt-ridden, self-excusing Western culture. We need to understand that Muslims will only feel at home in a Muslim culture and this is why their religious demands for Islamization of the West will never end.”

    How long before our Western societies finally wake up to this inconvenient truth? We need to halt immigration of Muslims into Australia and other Western countries. This will solve a lot of problems. Let islam take care of its own!

  4. The Germans instituted an excellent de-radicalization program when they came across Muslims rising against the state in their African colony of Tanganyika in the late 1800’s. Before they hanged them by the hundred they baptized them. It seemed to work very well because even after the British took over and in the negotiations for eventual independence, there was not a hint of trouble or even threat of violence.

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