Islamic Court: Rape Not A Crime

Turkish Court: Marital Rape Not A Crime; Turkish Columnist: Decision Turns Women Into Sex Slaves

Source: Turkish Daily News


* How could it be? A man owns his wife just like he owns his goat, or his dog or his camel. Besides, there are the traditions from the ‘noble hadith’- which are absolutely authentic:

* If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven.

(TR. P 428)

In response to a ruling by Turkey’s Supreme Court of Appeals that marital rape is not a crime, Ä°smet Berkan wrote in his column in Radikal that because of the ruling, if a woman “resists and is killed by her husband in the end, his penalty even could be reduced due to ‘grievous provocation!’

We learned [about] this during the ‘Stop Violence Against Women’ week…”

He continued, “Unfortunately, the court’s decision has the effect of turning women into sex slaves in marriages… Forcing someone into sexual intercourse is called ‘rape.’ In Turkey, which is making efforts to end violence against women, the Court of Appeals decision must have been a really bad coincidence…”

* Coincidence? You think?

* A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband.

(Bukhari P 27)

* Majority of women will go to hell.

(Muslim P 1431)

“Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.”

— Bukhari, 4.54.460


Islamic teachings link


There’s more, much more:

“Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will,”

(Qur’an 2:223).

On the “divine” right to polygamy and having sex slaves:

“If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice,”

(Qur’an 4:3).

* Here’s more. You know there’s always more, don’t you?

* Yeah, because there’s Mo himself, the ‘perfect man’- uswa hasana, al insan al kamil- the most excellent example of conduct for all mankind, for all time. Right?

Right. See if you can follow that:

On taking for one’s pleasure the wives of those you’ve just slaughtered:

“…we reached Khaibar; and when Allah enabled him to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,’ where her menses were over and he took her for his wife…” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143).

On Mohammed’s raping his nine-year-old “wife” — Allah ordained it:

“My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old” (Tabari 9:131).



That’s why every believing Muhammad worshiper is eager to emulate his profit

This Afghan has found his child bride already


Refresher course: Saudi Cleric Explains Wife Beating in Islam to Young Muslims

Islam, Slavery and Rape

By Jamie Glazov

All morality in Islam is patterned after the example of Mohammed. Everything that he did and said defines what is permitted or “good”. Mohammed repeatedly sanctioned forced sex (rape) with kafir females after they were captured. The Hadith clearly reports that he got first choice of the women. In one case, he repeatedly demanded one particular woman for himself and swapped two other kafir slave women for his choice. So if Mohammed was involved in the rape of kafirs, then rape is a virtue, not a sin or error.

When Mohammed destroyed the B. Qurayza tribe, all of the adult male Jews were beheaded, so that no husbands were left. Mohammed then took the children and gave them to Muslims to raise as Muslims and he sold off the Jewish women as slaves.

We know from another story that the women were divided into sex slaves and domestic slaves. In one scene, a jihadist is trying to obtain a high ransom for a woman and he is told that her breasts are flat and her mouth is cold, so her value was less. In short, she was only good for work around the house, not in the bedroom.

The Hadith tells of another story where the Muslims used coitus interruptus to avoid impregnating the kafir sex slaves. The reason was purely for business. If the kafir sex slave was pregnant, then she was worth less money.

Islamic doctrine says that kafir women should not be used for prostitutes, only for the pleasure of the master.

Muhammad was a white man who owned black slaves

Q: Mohammed was a white man and had black slaves, correct? Isn’t there a racism here? Where is all the leftist indignation against Islam on this issue?

A: The relationship between blacks and slavery is ironic. A standard approach of Islam to blacks is that Christianity is the religion of the white man and Islam is the natural religion of the black man. They add that Mohammed’s second convert was a black slave, Bilal, who was Mohammed’s companion and the first muezzin (the man who calls to prayer).

The Hadith, however, goes out of its way, many times, to tell the world that Mohammed was a white man. The Hadith also tells us the race of the kafirs that Mohammed enslaved. And Mohammed had many black slaves in his household. One of his slaves was a black man called, Anjasha.

Mohammed owned black slaves. It is that simple. His favorite wife, the child Aisha, had a black slave. But to be fair to Mohammed, he was not a racist about slavery. He enslaved Arabs, Africans, and Greeks. Islam enslaves all kafirs, independent of race.


Arab Muslim Slavetraders with  Merchandise “Booty”

Mohammed was politically incorrect about blacks and called them “raisin heads” in the Hadith. Thus it would be a compliment to call a black Muslim a “raisin head.” It would be Sunna and not offensive. Mohammed also said that Muslims are to obey the Islamic leader, “even if they were black.” A left-handed compliment, at best.

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71 thoughts on “Islamic Court: Rape Not A Crime”

  1. Mo really was in the right place in the right time to start off his cult. Had he come up with his crapola in the last century or two he never would have pulled it off. On the other hand, had Hitler been around in the 7th century he would have founded a Nazi cult quite similar to the Koranic one.

    Any way you look at it, following in the footsteps of anyone in all aspects of life is simply a bad idea, especially when you assume eveything that person did is right. Might as well call such a system “robotism”.

  2. Had Mo been born in Britain in the 20th century he would have ended up in Broadmoor or Rampton (Special Hospitals for the criminal insane.)

  3. I notice no muslims have commented yet so i’ll start off by saying 70% of this information is true….but 100% is taken out of context.
    “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old”
    Consummation of the marriage simply means telling the girl she was married. Before that she probably didn’t have any idea she was.

    1. Saudi Cleric Muhammad Musa Al-Sharif Defends the Marrying Off of Under-Age Girls in Saudi Arabia


      Go ahead, Ibrahim.

      Make yourself look more ridiculous than you already are with your lies and your nonsense.

      Take it up with the above Sowdi cleric who’s got his religion all wrong, will you?

  4. you must sort out a fatwa and make sure all little girls everywhere are very safe. disagree and i’m bound to see you as irresposnsible and/or having a personal interest in child-brides which even UNICEF carry a position on. fatwa please. or is it that you expect the west not to worry because it is islam and you think we must all submit?

  5. I am Turkish…and I hate these islamic lies….
    I hate all these people who have twisted minds in between their legs…
    I do not believe in Islam.
    And my country,Turkiye of whose population is moslem are being taken for a ride for centuries…This empty and argumentative Kur`an and its followers should only concern the Arabs…not us the Turks…
    Sooner we get away from this mumbo-jumbo stupitidies the better the Turks will feel.
    I am tired and sick of this very Arab made religion…Fuck thelot of them…!! Turkiye must find herself a better religion which encourages studying.enquiring,investigating,discovering and a commom sense which underpins a common sense and sensibility plus justice all over…so that the Turks catches after Ataturk`s doctrins which were designed for Turks survival and again to become a great and a decent nation which should attract attention and respect among her neighbours and partners on this Earth…
    If It was up to me.I would in no time would start a revolution in Turkiye today…If you notice, I address my country by its correct form..Turkiye…not ..”turkey” which is a dragatory description of my land. So I`ll invite you to follow suit!

  6. i am a muslim, islam condemn everything every actions that could harm an innocent and believer. please dont include islam to justify your wrong doings. islam respects the of men as its respects the rights of women. please dont include the religion of ALLAH SW to defend all your sinfull acts including mistreatment of women this include your mother, wife, sisters of daughther. all of us nurtured from the womb and breast of our mother. for those who dont believe in islam and know nothing of islam teachings please dont judge islam as what you see on actions and heard on those people who pretended to be islam. instead try to research and be enlighted by the RELIGION OF PEACE.

  7. I judge islam based on what “allah” and its false prophet think of me, and their “convert, kill, or extort” protection racket, and by their attitude to God and His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Both allah and the false prophet mock Jesus Christ, and deny that He was crucified.

    islam is doomed, along with its followers.

  8. but 100% is taken out of context.
    binding the things with his own way

    if u want to see true face of islam look at right people. not black ships.
    in our country there is no slave. i have never listen any rape in over area nor any child marry . i m 30 years old . we respect womens and elders. we believe in justice . so almost people get only one marry.
    and how much i know my friends have never touch or kiss any women (namahram) till he married.

  9. * if u want to see true face of islam look at right people

    True face of islam can be found in the utterances of allah, channeled via its false prophet Mo, and recorded (until islam is obliterated) in the koran, together with the various sayings of the false prophet.

    Have you ever read the koran, ali?

    If you have any respect for God, his only begotten Son Jesus Christ, and God’s plan of salvation and eternal life, then flee from islam, its satanic “god” and false prophet.

    Run for your life! islam is doomed.

  10. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
    Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth, {1} Createth man from a clot. {2} Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, {3} Who teacheth by the pen, {4} Teacheth man that which he knew not. {5} Nay, but verily man is rebellious {6} That he thinketh himself independent! {7} Lo! unto thy Lord is the return. {8} Hast thou seen him who dissuadeth {9} A slave when he prayeth? {10} Hast thou seen if he relieth on the guidance (of Allah) {11} Or enjoineth piety?

  11. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
    Proclaim! (or Read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created― {1} Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: {2} Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful― {3} He Who taught (the use of) the Pen― {4} Taught man that which he knew not. {5} Nay, but man doth transgress all bounds, {6} In that he looketh upon himself as self-sufficient. {7} Verily to thy Lord is the return (of all). {8} Seest thou one who forbids.― {9} A votary when he (turns) to pray? {10} Seest thou if He is on (the road of) Guidance?― {11} Or enjoins Righteousness?

  12. * some one is misgiding u people

    Really, ali, who might that be?

    “However, when he, the Spirit of true knowledge, has come, he will be your guide into all true knowledge: for his words will not come from himself, but whatever has come to his hearing, that he will say: and he will make clear to you the things to come.” (John 16:13)

    This is a reference to the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, and not, as muslims are wont to claim, a reference to the false prophet Mo.

    Reject counterfeits, ali – they are doomed.

  13. * {1} Createth man from a clot

    This canard again.

    Here, the false prophet channeling allah is claiming it created man from dust and a drop of cum: “And Allah did create you from dust; then from a sperm-drop…”

    Have you ever read the koran, ali? Do you know why allah is so confused as to whether it created muslims from blood, dust or cum?

    Flee from allah and its lies. run for your life!

  14. 🙂
    remove black glass from your eyes. world is color full
    1) when God created adam that was dust and water.
    2) When man drop sperm inside women God create him from (Sperm Drop
    3) When mixture of sperm and overy join it shape blood. that make again man. ???

  15. Allah created you from dust, then from a little fluid, then He made you pairs (the male and female). No female beareth or bringeth forth save with His knowledge. And no-one groweth old who groweth old, nor is aught lessened of his life, but it is recorded in a Book, Lo! that is easy for Allah.

  16. O mankind! if ye are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, then lo! We have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot, then from a little lump of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We may make (it) clear for you. And We cause what We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed time, and afterward We bring you forth as infants, then (give you growth) that ye attain your full strength. And among you there is he who dieth (young), and among you there is he who is brought back to the most abject time of life, so that, after knowledge, he knoweth naught. And thou (Muhammad) seest the earth barren, but when We send down water thereon, it doth thrill and swell and put forth every lovely kind (of growth).

  17. Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; {12} Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; {13} Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators! {14} Then lo! after that ye surely die. {15} Then lo! on the Day of Resurrection ye are raised (again).

  18. “We have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot, then from a little lump of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We may make (it) clear for you.”

    We? How many accomplices does allah have? Sometimes it claims to be one, but apparently has multiple personality disorder, as well as grand mal infidelophobia.

    Barking mad.

    Flee form it – run for your life! It is no match for God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

  19. Element Mass of element
    in a 70-kg person Volume of
    purified element Element would
    comprise a cube
    this long
    on a side:
    oxygen 43 kg 37 L 33.5 cm
    carbon 16 kg 7.08 L 19.2 cm
    hydrogen 7 kg 98.6 L 46.2 cm
    nitrogen 1.8 kg 2.05 L 12.7 cm
    calcium 1.0 kg 645 mL 8.64 cm
    phosphorus 780 g 429 mL 7.54 cm
    potassium 140 g 162 mL 5.46 cm
    sulfur 140 g 67.6 mL 4.07 cm
    sodium 100 g 103 mL 4.69 cm
    chlorine 95 g 63 mL 3.98 cm
    magnesium 19 g 10.9 mL 2.22 cm
    iron 4.2 g 0.53 mL 8.1 mm
    fluorine 2.6 g 1.72 mL 1.20 cm
    zinc 2.3 g 0.32 mL 6.9 mm
    silicon 1.0 g 0.43 mL 7.5 mm
    rubidium 0.68 g 0.44 mL 7.6 mm
    strontium 0.32 g 0.13 mL 5.0 mm
    bromine 0.26 g 64.2 µL 4.0 mm
    lead 0.12 g 10.6 µL 2.2 mm
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    aluminum 60 mg 22 µL 2.8 mm
    cadmium 50 mg 5.78 µL 1.8 mm
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    tin 20 mg 3.48 µL 1.5 mm
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    boron 18 mg 7.69 µL 2.0 mm
    nickel 15 mg 1.69 µL 1.2 mm
    selenium 15 mg 3.13 µL 1.5 mm
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    beryllium 36 µg 20 nL 0.27 mm

  20. * So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

    Really, ali? You’ve been dudded!

    When allah claims that Jews are apes, and Christians are pigs
    ( and elsewhere ), how is it that Christians and Jews got the smarts and the looks, while muslims are synonymous with “history of mental illness”, and the women are so fugly allah makes them wear cloaking gear to stop us seeing their fugliness?

    Can’t it just admit it got it wrong, & mix in a few of the things that make apes and pigs superior to muslims by any measure, instead of shrouding its mistakes like things from The Island of Doctor Moreau?

  21. has multiple personality disorder
    * multiple * multiple
    if there will be some disorder u ll feal.

  22. * Element Mass of element in a 70-kg person

    How much in a 70kg ape or pig (Jew or Christian?)

  23. where is mention u r this and that. any book ref.plz.
    God made this hole universe and create a system. if he distroy it do u can stop it.
    u can drink coffee. 50 *daily or
    do it with arsenic its part of ur body

  24. God will create a new heaven and a new earth, ali.

    “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were gone; and there was no more sea.” Revelation 21:1

    No allah, no false prophet, and no muslims in it, ali.

    What will you do with your life, before this heaven & earth are destroyed and replaced?

    Flee from islam – run for your life! islam is doomed.

  25. ur faith religion plz
    ok suppose u ll be in heaven . what is the criteria to go on.
    y u r so afraid of islam.

  26. Ali, we are not afraid of islam – we consider that islam is a great evil and that it is propagated backwards by fools like you. Do not ever make the error of confusing disgust with fear – when the time for conflict arrives we will destroy islam – without remorse, doubt or uncertainly.

  27. * y u r so afraid of islam

    I am not afraid of islam, despite allah’s intention to strike terror into my heart & have my head and limbs chopped off (sura 8:12)

    allah is simply a sockpuppet of satan (the adversary), and allah, satan and their followers will be defeated and cast into the lake of fire.

  28. ur faith religion plz
    ok suppose u ll be in heaven . what is the criteria to go on.

  29. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. {190} And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. {191} But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. {192} And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. {193

    thats 1st order to fight

    if some one will beat u or fight u .
    what will u do
    say him beat me rapidly or kill me.

  30. now i can understand ur problem ur about to talk jihad.
    and tottaly misgided . u dont know how wast meaning it have.

    Biggest jihad is to stop over self to doing wrong.
    Biggest jihad is to stop over self to doing wrong
    Biggest jihad is to stop over self to doing wrong.

    what i m doing with u its call jihad.
    jihad means to strugle in right way.
    its fight again anything wrong.

    if some one stop criminal to kill , rap etc some one . what will be ur opinion.
    he is police man .
    army man.
    special force agent
    the work that he (muslim) is doing is called jihad.

  31. Note the difference in this battle between allah and the Biblical God (Father, son and Holy Spirit), ali:

    allah’s M.O. ” Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities”

    Biblical instructions to Christians: (Ephesians 6, in part)

    “In conclusion, strengthen yourselves in the Lord and in the power which His supreme might imparts. Put on the complete armour of God, so as to be able to stand firm against all the stratagems of the Devil. For ours is not a conflict with mere flesh and blood, but with the despotisms, the empires, the forces that control and govern this dark world–the spiritual hosts of evil arrayed against us in the heavenly warfare. Therefore put on the complete armour of God, so that you may be able to stand your ground on the day of battle, and, having fought to the end, to remain victors on the field. Stand therefore, first fastening round you the girdle of truth and putting on the breastplate of uprightness as well as the shoes of the Good News of peace– a firm foundation for your feet. And besides all these take the great shield of faith, on which you will be able to quench all the flaming darts of the Wicked one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God.”

    What chance does allah and its followers have against the spiritual weapons and defences available to the saints and martyrs of Jesus, ali?

    You’ve got Buckleys. islam is doomed. Flee from it, before God destroys it and consigns allah, the false prophet and the followers to the lake of fire, forever.

  32. * what i m doing with u its call jihad.

    Whatever you call it, ali, it is impotent. You are an unarmed opponent.

    Flee from islam, while you still can. It is doomed.

  33. ali, you have no message and you are an annoyance – go away! learn to treat others with respect – that should be your first goal- now go away.

  34. You have nothing to say ali – talk to your fellow mosque rats – they need guidance in becoming decent human beings – but you can keep on wasting your time here.

    I suspect ali is a primitive muslim spambot.

    ps ali – you do know that mohammed was a murderer, rapist and child molester. why do you follow him? A rhetorical question if you understand what that means.

    1. hony, or better ali, I conclude that your time here is up.

      Those who are too dumb to understand the conditions for posting here don’t last.

  35. It is a well known fact that there is no trace today of the scrolls of Abraham. We are also aware of the sad story of the Torah of Moses and how it was destroyed by Pagans several times. The same fate befell the Psalter. As for Jesus, he had not had the time to compile or dictate what he preached. It was his disciples and their successors who gleaned his utterances and transmitted them to posterity in a number of recensions [a critical revision of the text], of which at least 70 recensions of the Gospels are known, and with the exception of four, all are declared by the Church to be apocryphal. For such reasons, both the Torah and the Gospels are regarded as corrupted
    The Muslim position on this issue is twofold:
    a) that the injil [Arabic for ‘Bible’] like the Qur’an, was a real Scripture — the original Word of God, sent down from the heavens and transmitted to the human Messenger (Prophet) Jesus on earth, through the medium of the celestial messenger (the angel Gabriel), as the highest form of infallible divine inspiration called wahy in Arabic. Christians have lost their injil, whereas Muslims have managed to meticulously preserve every word of their Qur’an in its original purity.
    b) that not only the Prophet Muhammad’s p.b.u.h. own words, sayings or utterances, as distinct from God’s Words (the Qur’an) but also a record of his actions and tacit approvals, have all been separately preserved. They are known as Hadith, Traditions, or Sunnah. Muslim scholars maintain that The New Testament, which contains the writings of the disciples of Jesus are really more like the Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad, p.b.u.h., whereas the injil, which has been lost, was like the Qur’an. Accordingly, since the Qur’an has remained unaltered to the present day, (compared to the other Scriptures) Muslims assert that only the Qur’an contains the Words of God — the truth in toto (i.e., the whole truth and nothing but the truth). Whereas the earlier Scriptures/Books such as The New Testament, The Old Testament, etc. contain only partial truths (i.e., much less than the whole truth).
    And God said, Let us make man in our own image…” – (Genesis 1:26)
    The poor1 benighted Christians misunderstood the word “image” as well as the word “us” in the preceding quotation at the very beginning of the Bible. Christians interpret the word “us” to imply the existence of a combination of “Father, Son and Holy Ghost” of their Holy Trinity. They fail to realise that in Hebrew as well as in Arabic there are two types of plurals. There is a plural of numbers as well as that of respect and honour. Here is a plural of honour which you might not have noticed: – the quotation from the Holy Qur’an about Jesus and his mother, observe the words – “SEE! HOW CLEAR WE MAKE FOR THEM OUR MESSAGES.” No Muslim ever understood by these plurals, a plurality in the Godhead, neither did any Christian Arab or Jew. Ask any Jew who knows Hebrew as to the number of gods in his Hebrew “US” from the first chapter of his Torah, and he will confirm without any hesitation what I am telling you.
    Remember that in Arabic and Hebrew there are two types of plurals. One of numbers and the other of honour as in Royal proclamations. Since the plural of honour is uncommon in the language of the European, he has confused these plurals to connote a plurality in the “godhead,” hence his justification for his Doctrine of the Holy Trinity – the Father, Son and Holy Ghost).
    El, Elah and Elohim are not three distinctly different words. They all represent the single Arabic word Allah. This is not my wishful thinking. Please see below. It is a photostatic reproduction of a page from the English Bible, edited by Rev. C. I. Scofield,D.D., with his Bible Commentary• This Doctor of Divinity is well respected among the Bible Scholars of the Christian world. He is backed in his “NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION” of this translation by a galaxy of eight other D.D.’s:
    Rev. Henry G. Weston, D.D., LL.D., President Crozer Theological jeminary.
    Rev. W. G. Moorehead, D.D., President Xenia (U.I,) Theological Seminary.
    Rev. lames M. Gray, D.D., President Moody Bible Institute.
    Rev. Elmore Harris, D.D., President Toronto Bible Institute.
    Rev. William !. Erdman, D.D., Author “The Gospel of John,” etc.
    Rev. Arthur T. Pierson, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher, etc.
    Rev. William L. Pettingill, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher.
    Arno C. Gaebelein, Author “Harmoney of Prophetic Word,” etc.
    I have not listed the above luminaries to awe you. They have been unanimous in supporting Rev. Scofield in his “New and Improved” commentary.
    Please note that in their comment No. 1 below left, they concur that – “Elohim, (sometimes El or Elah meaning God)” and alternatively spelled “Alah” (line three, third word). All the eight D.D.’s above could not have been blind in dittoing the spelling “Alah” for God. How far were they from the Arabic word spelled – ALLAH – in English, I ask you dear reader? This is Allah’s handiwork, but the Devil (I must give him a capital “D,” he deserves it) was not slow in making a quick come-back through his agents. He succeeded in firing all the D.D.’s responsible for that debacle, and had them replaced by nine others with more impressive degrees than the previous lot. You will find them in the recent reproduction of “The New Scofield Reference Bible.” You will not be able to lay your hands anymore on the Bible with “Alah” in it. The Devil has seen to that.

    What the BIBLE says about MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon him
    I am not going to dispute the ‘thousand and one’ prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the coming of Jesus Christ, because the whole Muslim-world has already accepted him without the testimony of any Biblical prophecy. We Muslims have accepted the de facto Jesus on the authority of Muhummed alone, and there are in the world today no less than 900,000,0001 followers of Muhummed who love, respect and revere this great Messenger of God -Jesus Christ- without having the Christians to convince them by means of their Biblical dialectics. Out of the ‘thousands’ of prophecies referred to, can you please give me just one single prophecy where Jesus is mentioned by name? The term ‘Messiah’, translated as ‘Christ’, is not a name but a title. Is there a single Prophecy where it says that the name of the Messiah will be JESUS, and that his mother’s name will be MARY, that his supposed father will be JOSEPH THE CARPENTER; that he will be born in the reign of HEROD THE KING, etc. etc.? No! There are no such details! Then how can you conclude that those ‘thousand’ Prophecies refer to Jesus (Peace be upon him)?
    Muhummed is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Muhammuddim. The end letters IM is plural of respect majesty and grandeur. Minus “im” the name would be Muhamud translated as “altogether lovely” in the Authorised Version of the Bible or ‘The Praised One’ ‘the one worthy of Praise’ i.e. MUHUMMED!(P.B.U.H)
    Following References of bible will help you see twists and corruption added by others in the original message o Jesus and Moses; and also clear the biases that have come in our minds due to ignorance. The original message according to muslim belief was that of Islam which was also the relegion o Jesus and Mose and Ibrahim.
    POLYGAMY: Solomon the wise had a thousand wives and concubines (a) “And he (Solomon) had seven hundred wives, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart (towards other gods). “KINGS 1 1:3 (b) Abraham the friend of God had more than one wife; and so had Israel (Jacob) and David the king. There is not a single word of reproach in the “Book of God” the Holy Bible against polygamous marriages.
    RAPE: Brother rapes and commits incest with his sister— (a) Howbeit he (Amnon, one of the sons of David) would not hearken unto her this sister Tamar’s voice: but, being stronger than she, forced (raped) her, and LAY (had sex) with her.” 2 SAMUEL 13:14 Son commits incest and rapes his mothers wholesale! (b) “So they spread Absalom (another of the sons of David) a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom WENT IN (had intercourse) unto his father’s concubines (same as “wives”, see KETURAH in the index) in the sight of ISRAEL” 2 SAMUEL 16:22
    SARAH: The Holy Bible does not even spare God from illicit sexual aspersions being ascribed to Him: In the case of the conception of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), God Almighty arranged for Mary to conceive Jesus by the intervention of the Holy Ghost, as witnessed in the Bible: (a) “The Holy Ghost shall COME UPON thee (the question is, how?) and the power of the most High shall OVERSHADOW thee (again, how?). LUKE 1:35 Whereas in the case of Isaac, his conception took place in the womb of Sarah by the direct intervention of God himself, as recorded in His (?) Holy Book: (b) “And the Lord VISITED Sarah, as he had PROMISED and FULFILLED what he had SPOKEN. And Sarah CONCEIVED . . . ” GENESIS 21:1-2
    SLAVERY: Sanctioned by God— “ye, shall take them (the slaves) as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them (the slaves) for a possession, they shall be ,your BONDMEN (slaves) for ever . . . LEVITICUS 25:46
    SONS OF GOD: The Bible ascribes sons by the tons to God. (a) ‘Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the SON OF GOD.” LUKE 3:38 (b) “That the SONS OF GOD saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took wives of all which they chose. “. . when the SONS OF GOD came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” GENESIS 6:2 and 4 (c) ” . . Thus- saith the Lord, Israel is MY SON even my FIRSTBORN.” EXODUS 4:22 (d) ” . . and Ephraim is my FIRSTBORN,” JEREMIAH 31:9 (e) ” . . Thou (o David) ART MY SON; this day have I (God) BEGOTTEN thee. ” PSALMS 2:7 (TONS A ton is 2000 lbs weight, that is about a thousand kilograms.) (“FIRST BORN:” How can there be two “firstborns”?) (“BEGOTTEN” How can God beget David at the age of forty? “This day’?)
    SWINE: The flesh of the swine forbidden _ (a) “Of their flesh (of the swine) shall ye NOT EAT, and their carcass ye shall NOT TOUCH; they are unclean to you ” LEVITICUS 11:8
    TRINITY: According to the Athanasian Creed:
    “The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.”
    In this Holy Trinity: “The three Persons are CO-EQUAL and CO-ETERNAL: all alike are UNCREATED and OMNIPOTENT.” (The Catholic Encyclopedia)
    Thus the Trinity is considered to be: (One God in three Persons.”
    There is only one verse in the whole of Holy Scripture called the Bible which unequivocally supports this Christian dogma, and that is:
    “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. ” The first Epistle of John 5:7
    Dr C.I, Scofield, D.D. backed by eight other D.D.’s in a footnote to this verse opine:
    The fundamentalist Christians still retain this fabrication whereas, in all the modern translations including the Revised Standard Version (RSV) this pious fraud has been unceremoniously expunged, thus confirming this Qur’anic refutation:
    “They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three In a Trinity: for there is no God except one God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.” Holy Qur’an 5:76.
    WOMEN: Forbidden to open their mouths in the Church—
    (a). . for it is a SHAME for women to speak in the Church” 1 CORINTHIANS 14:34-35
    (b) To chop off her hands for saving her husband’s life. Deuteronomy 25: 11-12.
    (c) Her husband to rule over her. Genesis 3:16. The head of the woman is the man. 1 Corinthians 11:3. Man can sell his daughter. Exodus 21:7.
    “let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law, and if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for woman to speak in the church.”
    1 Corinthians 14:34-35
    “Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head…If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head”
    1 Corrinthians 11:3-6
    “I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God”
    1 Timothy 2:9-10
    “…Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
    Mark 10:11-12
    “…who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.”
    Matthew 5:32
    “‘The woman he (the priest) marries must be a virgin. He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people.'”
    Leviticus 21:13-4

    Original Sin: he Christina dogma that sin is inherited is against all ethics, morality and common sense. It is against the explicit pronouncement of God:
    “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son (the progeny of Adam) shall not bear the iniquity of the father (Adam), neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.” Ezekiel 18:20-21
    MUHUMMED (pbuh): Is a true prophet of God according to the Bible (a) ” . . Every spirit (meaning every prophet) that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of God 1 JOHN 4.2 Compare with Holy Qur’an 3:45 and many other Qur’anic references where Jesus (pbuh) is referred to as the CHRIST.
    MUHUMMED (PBUH) MENTIONED BY NAME IN THE BIBLE: (b) “his mouth is most sweet: yea, he is (Muhummed-im) altogether lovely, this is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. SONG OF SOLOMON 5:16 From the original Hebrew manuscript the word “MUHUMMEDIM”, is translated as “altogether lovely’ which is actually the word MUHUMMED with “im” added. “IM” is the plural of respect in the Hebrew language.
    MUHUMMED A “COMFORTER” LIKE JESUS, PEACE BE UPON THEM (c) “And I will pray the father, and he shall give you ANOTHER Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever. JOHN 14:16
    Jesus (pbuh) was the first Comforter, and ANOTHER would have to be one like him, of the same kind as Jesus, a man and not a Ghost.
    MASSACRE: At the hands of the Jews— (a) “Now therefore KILL every male among the little ones, and KILL every woman (female) that hath known man by lying (having sex) with him. “But keep ALIVE for yourselves all the GIRLS and all the women who are VIRGINS.” NUMBERS 31:17-18 “And the Jews salvaged for themselves 32,000 virgins, verse 35; see also verse 40. (b) But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou (o Jews) shall save alive NOTHING that BREATHES. DEUTERONOMY 20:16 (c) ‘And they (the Jews) UTTERLY DESTROYED all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep, and ASS, with the edge of the sword ” JOSHUA 6:21 (Even donkeys were not spared) (d) “He (Joshua) let NONE remain alive.” Joshua 10:28
    JESUS (pbuh) (only sent for Jews and not or whole mankind): Only came for the Jews (a) these twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them saying GO NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans ENTER YE NOT. “But go ye rather unto the lost sheep of THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL (to the Jews only).” MATTHEW 10:5-6 (b) “But he (Jesus) answered and said, I am NOT SENT but unto the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL (the Jews only). “Then came she (the Canaanite woman) and worshipped him, saying Lord, help me (to cure my daughter). “But he answered and said, it is not meet to take the children’s bread and CAST IT TO DOGS (the non-Jews). ” MATTHEW 15:24-26
    JESUS (pbuh) A “GOD”?: Powerless (a) “I can of mine own self W NOTHING . . .” JOHN 5:30
    HE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE HEREAFTER (b) “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, NEITHER THE SON, but the Father ” MARK 13:32 HE WAS IGNORANT OF THE SEASONS (c) ‘And seeing a fig tree afar of having leaves, he came if happily he might find any thing there on. and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, FOR THE TIME OF FIGS WAS NOT YET.” MARK 11:13
    One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? ‘And Jesus said unto him, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? there is NONE GOOD BUT ONE. THAT IS GOD” MATTHEW 19:16-17
    (JESUS’) POWER NOT HIS OWN: (a) And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and In earth MATTHEW 28: 18 (b) ‘T can of mine own self DO NOTHING: as I hear, I judge . . . JOHN 5:30 (c) ” . . I by the FINGER OF GOD cast out devils . . (d) “And Jesus lifted up his eyes (towards heaven) and said, Father, I thank thee that THOU HAST HEARD ME. “And I know that THOU HEAREST ME ALWAYS: but because of the people which stand by I said my supplication aloud that THEY MAY BELIEVE that thou hast sent me. “And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, lazarus, come forth “And he that was dead came forth . . .JOHN 11 :41
    Please first read the scriptures, compare ask for help and guidance from respective scholars and the decide for yourself instead of becomming a prejudicial and biased ignorant.
    Behold! God said:
    O Jesus, I will take thee [394]
    And raise thee to Myself
    And clear thee (of the falsehoods) [395]
    Of those who blaspheme;
    I will make those
    Who follow thee superior [396]
    To those who reject faith,
    To the Day of Resurrection:
    Then shall ye all return unto Me,
    And I will judge
    Between you of the matters
    Wherein ye dispute. [397]
    [Qur’an 3:55 Yusuf Ali translation]

  36. lost in a jumble of “literal” interpretation. like all religion.
    let them keep squabbling among themselves, so long as they keep us out of it.

  37. There is no hadith, no Quranic injunction, no commandment and no example of the Prophet that advicates forced sex, subjugation of women, or calls any other faith infidels. If there is, kindly show me. Also, I don’t want a ‘flared’ response, but a decent, balanced rational reply, with hadith, reference or verse.

    Any text, Quranic or otherwise, often has metaphoric essence, done so to encapsulate many meanings, and implications.

    Also, any cleric, and extremist, and any individual who calls himself Muslim, and actually advocates all of the above is not Muslim in essence, or in truth, only in name. I disagree with many many clerics, and if I had the opportunity to deal with them face to face, even shut them up. No religious injuction, regardless of any faith is ‘complicated’. Yes, people use it to befit their own designs. That is not faith. That is manipulation. And that is what these clerics are doing. I always abstain from getting into these firums, but just noticed this. So, kindly send me the verse, or hadith or reference, and I will do my best to break it down to the last point.

  38. Better to take your issues up with allah and its false prophet, ahmad. According to allah, via Mo, women are fields for muslim men to go into as they please (Sura 2:223)

    Here is an uncomplicated injunction, binding upon muslims: “Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends”. (Sura 5:51)

    Here is an uncomplicated injunction from allah, ordering its followers to fight against the saints of Jesus Christ, and against Jews (Sura 9:29)

    Here is a lie of allah, that sends its followers to hell: “They did not kill [Jesus Christ], nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did”
    (Sura 4:157 of the blasphemous koran)

    Here is an uncomplicated message from God, which muslims reject, preferring to go to hell to be with the false prophet forever:
    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
    (John 3:16)

  39. Oh no good friend, no reading or comprehension problems at all. Just that I can’t come back to the site all the time. I will try to do so as frequently as I can. As for the post above; What you are doing is the same thing that thousands do, take or nit pick one verse and put it forth. Any Holy Book, be it Quran, or Bible, should not be read ‘in pieces’, but in entirety. I did state I will try and adress everything, which I will. I never said I will adress it right there. I am no scholar, but I know I will get the answers you need. 5:51, I will get back to you on. As it involves a widespread background, opened in transliteration. For your verse quoted, 9:29. Read carefulyl brother. It is not against Jews or Christians, but it is against ‘People of the Book’ (Psalms, Bible, Torah etc., and who could be Christians or Jews, or even Buddhists), who refuse to believe in Allah. (Key term, refuse to believe in Allah) and His Messengers. Due to shortage of time, I can’t expiate much. You had the doubts, so you should go into the transliteration too to find things for yourself. I will only state this that the verse is a safeguard against ‘sort of traitors, or hypocrites, or people who ‘stir’ trouble and mischief by quoting themselves as Jews and Christians (or otherwise), and in their hearts are not believing in God, His injunctions or any messenger (namely Infidels). ANy believer, Christian, Jewish, or Hindu, or Buddhist, who adheres to God and His injunctions is not included in this verse. Your verse quoted; 4:157, firstly, I would like to mention that I am Muslim. Jesus is to me as respectable a Prophet sent by God, as any other. That aside, the verse doesnot disregard Jesus (a.s.w.) truth, or his credibility. It is a two pronged implication. 1) There is no verse in the Quran that says he was ‘killed’ on the cross. Question: Were not such deaths on the cross meant for adulteres, thiefs, murderers, and by application, deaths to dishonur or disgrace them? I don’t believe a Prophet like Jesus would die a disgraceful death. This is a theory also discussed by 7 Christian Scholars on BBC a few years ago, free of influence of a single Muslim on the program. Check it out. (I don’t know the link) 2) It implies that no force on earth could ‘in essence’ kill Jesus to give him a disgraceful death. Whather he died physically or he didn’t is not the point here. The point is, his essence can’t die. The blasphemous people who ‘crucified’ him did not win. They did not succeed in debasing him, or killing his stature, or purpose or standing. Again, open the transliteration. That is why metaphoric language should not be taken for ‘what you see it for’. As for the quote from the bible, yes, I subscribe to it. Not neccessarily in the ‘material’ way, but in the mmetaphoric and implied way yes. God sent His ‘Prophet’ for mankind, and who sacrificed his being, his life, his toward God’s purpose, so that men could learn from it, and be emancipated (not from sin), but afford themselves a chance to learn and give themselves a chance to be free from sin. I will get back to you soon with the one verse I didn’t address. Sorry, can’t be on the site each day too. But as I said, will try to come back as much as I can. Cheers.

  40. Sorry, checked the subject on the other verse too. 5: 51. Sorry brother, as I said, you did the thing I just mentioned. Nit pick a verse, but disregard any other salient verses, or explanations around it. The verse was revealed in a period of war. Whereby mistrust and fear was spread among survivours, Muslims or otherwise. Then, the same faction, or classification of ‘hypocrites’ you spoke of in the other verse is referred to here, as Muslims who are just (not the unjust ones, ever) those who are in need of protection, need not take ‘protection’ from hypocrites, or people with designs, or people with disregard or people who are looking to mock and put to shame or trying to overwhelm with conventional means, in a state of disrepair and uncertainty, as one followed by the war. Read the next verse, and you might not have questioned this verse. Also, the translation by Muslims and non-Muslins alike is taken ‘literally’ always. In this verse, friend, applies accomplice, one who stands by, or one who protects. Not ‘literal’ everyday happy go lucky friend, but a formal, mututal approach. Put together, this is what it implies. It is purely directed at hypocrites, or soul-less mocking peopel, Jews, Christians (pretending ones), or otherwise. Not true believing Jews or Christians, or as Quran at numerous portions states, People of the Book, a term endeared by myself.
    Now, brother, I know you may find it hard to comprehend this right away. In such case, please ask. Remember, I am not here to change you to the Islamic doctrine,or any other. I am only here to bridge the gap as much as possible. I am not saying I will acheive it. But what we can acheive is, a point of agreement, that we can always discuss things free of contempt, or hatred. By the way, I am an Ahamdi Muslim. Check us out. Out motto is a little different than the one you see these so-called Muslims and clerics speak. Our motto is Love for All Hatred for None.

  41. Mottos are one thing Ahmed..actions are another. Anyone can is cheap..The actions of your brother muslims mean that islam will always be cannot escape this simple fact.
    Leave this deadly cult while you still can.

  42. * who refuse to believe in Allah

    I believe in allah. I believe that allah is a sockpuppet of Satan, and Mo is his false prophet, deceiving muslims and condemning them to the lake of fire. allah has no son, the Biblical god has a son, Jesus Christ.

  43. I doubt Ahmad wants to leave. allah is the best of deceivers, and doesn’t like to lose those it has deceived.

  44. Strange brothers. It would seem that we have a compilsion here. It seems that you are doing this on a two forked front:
    1) I thought that you were condemning Islam because of blasphemous injunctions, which I said I would clarify to my best ability. I believe that at least the verses you put out for, I did. I gave you a rational, extended, true account of what the transliteratio of the verses applies. When seen that way, they are not offensive. But, but, then you go ahead, as do some other brothers, accusing Islam of being a corrupt doctrine that has misguided people like me. You completely ignored or oversaw what I replied. What I am saying, what my heart holds. It seems I was talking to a wall. Sorry if I put that in a hurtful way. Didn’t mean to.

    2) You are also assuming Islam has hatred prone and corrupt due to the actions of my so-called brothers. If you have the time, kindly let me state something here.
    Firstly, those you call my Muslim brothers are NOT MY BROTHERS. YOU ARE NOT MY BROTHERS EITHER, at least you don’t believe me to be one, which is why you are trying to insult my faith, instead of reason with me. I had said, this should be a civil, literate, calm approach in which you can ask questions, and I will try to adress them. However, by putting forth comments like: Allah is Satan’s sock puppet, etc, you are only doing what those you accuse of extremism are doing: crossing lines. What you could have done is, stayed your ground of literacy, and restraint, and instead of flinging comments right and left on Allah, dealt with this differently than those extremist clerics. You could have kept intact the approach of tolerance, and justified blasphemy on the Koran by arguments. But it seems that is not the case. You are infuriated as they are. Your mind seems MADE UP. If that’s the case, you should not leave this comment window open. If I made an error in deducing that, then I digress and apologize, but in which case I should see no insults, just reasonable comments, not trying to insult Allah. YOUR GOD AND MINE IS THE SAME. I AM NOT CALLING YOUR BELIEF WRONG. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING MINE IS, AND REPEATEDLY TELLING ME I SHOULD LEAVE IT? That sounds like one sided approach to me, like some Muslims so-called scholars I encountered.

    Secondly, you were dealing with me here. Not a cleric, not those you called my brothers. Someone above said talk is cheap. I told you to check out the refernces to Ahmadi Muslims. You didn’t care to. If you would have, you would not have said that I only talk. The people in my community organize, annually, symposiums, entirely on our own cost, whereby we invite representatives of ALL FAITHS. There are open Q & A sessions, where every one gets to respresent their faith. They speak on one topic, and varied topics, in which way we find out the common factors and good things in other faiths. Hence, bridiging the gap so established by hatred and ignorance. No sirs, we work toward ends, and give others a chance to speak their minds. We are practical, and about action, not just words. Like I said, check us out. If you wish to come to a joint faith symposium, let me know. You will be surprised there are tolerant, rational, and non-extremist Muslims out there trying to make a difference, that is, only if you are trying to seek them. We don’t run in the hatred prone packs of those clerics and extremists. And they ARE NOT MY BROTHERS. You are dealing with me. I have a name, an entity, and belief. If you can’t start from scratch, and give me a chance, then your hearts are on the same path as theirs.

    Please brothers, there has too much damage been readily done. By keeping intact your hatred, like those you wish to fight against, or strive against, you are only in the same threshold, albiet with some reastraint. Let’s give each other a chance. Lets talk. Lets clarify doubts. You will not find me uncivil, or insulting. You will find me reasonable, always. If you wish to check out any of our inter faith symposiums, let me know.
    An advice; Dale Carnegie said: If GOD has not chosen to judge people till their last day, Who are you or I? Lets follow that, and you will see, the main objective of maintinaing peace through reason, could be reached. I hope.

  45. Brothers, you seem to be taking this into two directions now. One, you seemed to be taking the approach of contradicting Quranic injunctions, and there by through literal debate and rationale, disprove Islam’s status as a faith. Two, you now seem to go toward disowning my statements, my reason that I have tried to put forth to your questions, and I do believe I did it reasonable, rationally, convincingly; with the actions of ‘my brother’ Muslims. Kindly allow me to clarify two things here:
    1) They are not my brothers. I refuse it. My brothers may be Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, or any other, who stand by faith, are tolerant, debate literally, and with reason rather than bias and hatred and are adverse to violence in any form, leave for violence indirectly brought about purely in self defense.
    2) I and those like me, are not all talk. You ignored such a huge point there. I said that my community regularly organizes symposia that give a platform to all faiths, Aboriginal, Hindu, Biddhist, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Sikh and even faithless Athiests, to speak on a single important topic to see commonalities between faiths, and share all that is good, and have open Q & A sessions to address all questions. All are then equal on that platform. How then, are you disregarding this, and saying I and those associated with me are ‘talk’. Sorry brother. You’re mistaken.
    I am about action. I will clarify all doubts you have about any Islamic injunctions. I will debate in a respectful manner. I will also listen, and act and think with tolerance. Check out my community’s ‘actions’ again. You will see, that our actions are those most needed: Tolerant, reasonable, knowledgable, and true to faith, peaceful. Let me know your thoughts on that. Regards.

  46. Since I seem to not post comments anymore, for whatever reason, I signed on with a different name, and am trying to post my response. Here goes:
    Brothers, you seem to be taking this into two directions now. One, you seemed to be taking the approach of contradicting Quranic injunctions, and there by through literal debate and rationale, disprove Islam’s status as a faith. Two, you now seem to go toward disowning my statements, my reason that I have tried to put forth to your questions, and I do believe I did it reasonable, rationally, convincingly; with the actions of ‘my brother’ Muslims. Kindly allow me to clarify two things here:
    1) They are not my brothers. I refuse it. My brothers may be Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, or any other, who stand by faith, are tolerant, debate literally, and with reason rather than bias and hatred and are adverse to violence in any form, leave for violence indirectly brought about purely in self defense.
    2) I and those like me, are not all talk. You ignored such a huge point there. I said that my community regularly organizes symposia that give a platform to all faiths, Aboriginal, Hindu, Biddhist, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Sikh and even faithless Athiests, to speak on a single important topic to see commonalities between faiths, and share all that is good, and have open Q & A sessions to address all questions. All are then equal on that platform. How then, are you disregarding this, and saying I and those associated with me are ‘talk’. Sorry brother. You’re mistaken.
    I am about action. I will clarify all doubts you have about any Islamic injunctions. I will debate in a respectful manner. I will also listen, and act and think with tolerance. Check out my community’s ‘actions’ again. You will see, that our actions are those most needed: Tolerant, reasonable, knowledgable, and true to faith, peaceful. Let me know your thoughts on that. Regards.


    Your god (“allah”) is not the Biblical God. allah has no son, and denies the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, condemning its followers to death and hell.

    The Biblical God has a plan of salvation and eternal life, based on his only begotten Son taking our place on the cross and being punished for our sins. All the faking in the world will not change that.

    You are free to choose between allah and the Biblical God, but do not blaspheme by asserting that allah and the Biblical God are the same.
    allah is the rebellious creation; God is the creator. allah is doomed,
    along with its followers.

    “For the Message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are on the way to perdition, but it is the power of God to those whom He is saving.” (1 Corinthians 1:18)

    Warn your fellow muslims, of whatever flavour, judgement is coming, and they are doomed, unless they accept God’s plan of salvation through Jesus Christ.

    allah is the best of deceivers – deception is its trademark. Such deception was anticipated by Jesus Christ: “For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and give signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.” (Mark 13:22)

    allah is using you to carry out its deception.

  48. dear… u wrote..
    * If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven.
    so what do u understand by this hadith??
    just because negative perception…u think its wrong… it wont be a problem if u think positively!!
    a man wants to have sex… his wife is cooking or baking …so what should he do? he shouldnt disturb her and go outside for some other woman or stay in the house or masturbate?? is it fine??what should a GOD order his men?? dont disturb your better half and go commit sins or limit your sexual needs to ur spouses??
    if u are sensible u would be knowing whats right!!

    1. “so what do u understand by this hadith??”

      Read the article. Its about spousal rape.

      Very common and enforced under Islamic “law”.

  49. what a stupid and wrong topic. you should be ashamed for spreading wrong information.

  50. Shut up Fahad, you bastard muslims are RESPONSIBLE for so much misery. A 14 year old Norwegian is DEAD because of your BASTARDS. You stinking muslim trip (Sorry S

  51. Sorry Sheik – if I meet this turd Fahad tonight I will probably snap its neck – without hesitation and without mercy.

  52. I would ask all people who know anything of the incident in Trondheim to send it to the Sheik. It is time these scum were made to pay full price for their actions. Since the police will not, it is time that another authority acts.

  53. Some articles are truly typed to insult all the Islamic community. I am a Indian and Islam is my religion. In my country a Islamic boy/girl married after his legal age m21/f18. He/she can’t married twice until divorce. Unwanted sex with wife, beating her are treat her as a slave is a crime in our country. Please note that after china we have second largest population, It is very possible that our Islamic population in India might more than that so called “F” country. So you must not give your heading Post as “Islam”.

  54. Sheik.
    Just studying some of the contributions from muslims – I trhionk you need to send man of these to the press so that people can see what we really are dealing with.

    Proud Afghan,
    You are right, and islam has destroyed your country.

  55. Sheik.
    Just studying some of the above contributions from muslims – I think that you need to send these to the press so that people can see what we really are dealing with – a very powerful message would be given.

    Proud Afghan,
    You are right, and islam has destroyed your country. Stay safe.

  56. To Raj Ahmed, It was one of your fellow Islamic countrymen, in Australia on a student visa who sexually assaulted my daughter on her way home from school when she was 14. He had no idea that what he did was wrong. So It is either a fucked up religion or a fucked up culture that made him think that pushing a 14 year old girl up against a fence in an alleyway and groping her, licking her face and using language usually associated with porn movies was both appropriate with a child and a normal way to get to know a person of the opposite sex.

    So forgive me if l hold little regard for your culture and even less for your religion.

  57. This is completely out of context. The quotations from the Qur’an are sorely misinterpreted and unjustly tarnished by the idiotic preachings of one that doesn’t know better. As a free Muslim women, I completely disagree with your biased views concerning Muslim women’s rights according to Islam. If you insist on forcing your unfounded accusations against our Prophet, please do so with CORRECT references made within the context it was given. I pity your ignorance, and hope that one day you may receive guidance.

    1. Happy to correct anything that’s wrong if you guide us to the right path, Fathima!

      You must be a great scholar of Islam then?

      But first tell me: why do you call yourself a “free muslim woman?”

      Are you not a slave of allah? Are you not deficient in intelligence? Is your witness not worth half of a man?

      Here, please correct everything that’s wrong about Muslim Woman!

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