"Don't cut too deep…"

Clit-cutting in Indonesia.

Look out for ‘defenders of Islam’ who’ll pop up to tell us its all ‘cultural’ and has ‘nothing to do with Islam’. 30 years ago virtually unheard of in this formerly Hindu nation, female genital mutilation is now common like the hijab. According to a 2003 study by the Population Council, an international research group, 96 percent of families surveyed reported that their daughters had undergone some form of circumcision genital mutilation by the time they reached 14.   Islam, the gift that keeps on giving….

Farahat Sa’id Al-Munji: The Prophet said that circumcision is obligatory for men , and is noble for women.  She said: Yes. He said: “Trim it, but don’t cut it off. ……

Bagus BT Saragih ,  The Jakarta Post ,  Makassar, South Sulawesi/thanks to Mullah

Some of our readers requested to post the photos below the fold, since they cause nightmares. Although these pictures were originally printed in the NYT, it seems their horror is

The butchers of Indonesia

Warning: the following images are VERY GRAPHIC!

Cleric: Don’t cut too much female genital to avoid sexuality loss

A Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) cleric said on Friday that circumcision on women was not supposed to cause the loss of their sexuality.

“Don’t cut too much. Just cut the small skin on the tip of the clitoris. Otherwise, a woman would lose her sexuality, and you males don’t like that to happen, do you?” prominent cleric Mohammad Masyhuri told a press conference.

Masyhuri, also a member of NU Suriah (lawmaking body), said that a proper female circumcision should not cause any damage to woman genitals. “No bleeding, if you do it properly.”

He suggested that circumcision genital mutilation was conducted on a female baby at the age of 7 days.

One of the topics during commission meetings at NU’s 32nd national congress in Makassar, South Sulawesi on Friday was the Islamic legal perspective on female circumcision.

Masyhuri said the meeting concluded that female circumcision “could be sunnah (recommended) but also could be mandatory.”

“The main point is that it is not haram [forbidden],” he said.

Masyhuri took an example of mass female circumcision in Bandung in the past which had triggered opposition from many Islam communities, some of which then considered female circumcision haram.

“That was not a good example of the way to conduct a female circumcision. The bad thing was that the media had blown the issue out of proportion,” he said.

Although the meeting concluded female circumcision was recommended, Masyhuri said NU would not force all female followers to undergo circumcision.

Any questions? Answers here:

Reliance of the Traveller, a classical manual of Islamic sacred law in Arabic with facing English text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller (1994) re ‘circumcision’ we find the Arabic actually says –

“Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called HufaaD). “ (p59) (Shafi’I jurisprudence)

(Note the English version is falsely translated as ‘prepuce ‘ of the clitoris!!)

8 thoughts on “"Don't cut too deep…"”

  1. Nothing bad about mutilation, except when “the media had blown the issue out of proportion”. islam – not responsible for anything – it’s always someone else’s fault.

    Response: run to UN whining about islamophobia; muzzle press; behead journalists …

    If islam was a movie or video game, it would be refused classification, but we can get our daily feast of its horrors on WoJ and elsewhere, without fear that islam will be censored. Our responses might be, of course.

  2. Again the real problem is that there is no central authority in islam, making utterances from people like Al-Mussayar binding within their communities. This is why islam is so dangerous. It is up to muslims to correct this, but they seem to be making very little progress. This may be because the wealth of Saudi Arabia (perhaps some other Gulf states, and Malaysia) is being used to justify a rather violent forms of islam for reasons that amount to little more than a power grab in the islamic world. Indonesia is struggling with this problem, and I think it is making headway in a positive sense. But I cannot say that of any other Islamic country.

  3. @kaw: “Again the real problem is that there is no central authority in islam” So you think Islam needs a Vatican and a Pope? Yes, that works, sure….

    I am about to found a new religion (or maybe not so new) that is sure to be declared heretical by all the ControlFreak Religionsâ„¢. It will be called the Church of Thinkingforyourselfâ„¢, or for Twittering purposes, CoThk4urslf. The prayer will begin, “Hmmmmmm, let’s see, does that make sense? …”

  4. Funny how when its done to females its mutilation…. when done to males, its promoted as a good thing….

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