Female genital mutilation “is part of the Sunna of the Prophet”
Two FGM Updates from MEMRITV. “Egyptian Villagers Explain Why They Circumcise Their Daughters”:
Following are excerpts from a television program about female circumcision in Egypt, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
[...]
Interviewer: In the Islamic religion, and in the villages and neighborhoods, it is always said that girls should be circumcised just like boys. Does it come from the Sunna, or is it a custom or yours?
Female villager: Circumcision is part of the Sunna of the Prophet. We used to bring a daya, and she would circumcise the children, but when the role of the daya was abolished, we stopped. Now we take our children to the doctor, and he circumcises them.
Interviewer: So it is the doctor who circumcises the girl?
Female villager: Yes. If a girl is not circumcised, she can’t stand it. When she is circumcised, she is calm and has self-restraint. The circumcision protects the girl and makes her calm.
[...]
Interviewer: So you think all women should be circumcised to protect their honor.
Female villager: The Prophet said that the men go and wage Jihad for a year. He said that girls should be circumcised so they can bear it for a whole year until the men return. [...]
And “Al-Azhar Cleric Farahat Sa’id Al-Munji Justifies Female Circumcision: It Replaces the Chastity Belts of Ancient Times”:
Following are excerpts from an interview with Al-Azhar Cleric Farahat Said Al-Munji, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
Farahat Sa’id Al-Munji: The Prophet said that circumcision is obligatory for men, and is noble for women. This means that for the sake of her honor, a woman can be circumcised. This noble act can be either carried out or not. Moreover, this noble act is subject to restrictions nowadays. I once had a discussion with a gynecologist, who said: “A man brought his daughter to me, and I told him she must be circumcised immediately.” Why? Because he discovered that her clitoris was so big that it was bound to cause her pain or bother her when she reached puberty, and therefore, she had to be circumcised. He told me that other girls came to him, and he said they should not be circumcised. Why? Because their clitoris was normal in size, and did not bother them. It would be crazy to deal with such a clitoris, which does not protrude to an extent that might bother the woman, when it rubs against her clothing and so on…
Guys, all these things appear in Islamic law. Don’t think we are making these things up. It all exists [in religious law] and is determined… We say that if the clitoris is so on and so forth… What am I saying? When the Prophet Muhammad met Umm Salama in Al-Madina – what did he say to her? “Are you still doing what you used to do in Mecca?” In other words, are you still circumcising girls, like you used to do in Mecca? She said: Yes. He said: “Trim it, but don’t cut it off.” According to another version, he said: “Shorten it, but don’t cut it off.” “Trim it” means leaving room for sexual desire. That little bit on top, which looks like the rooster’s crest, is shortened, but just the upper part. She needs to cut off the prepuce, the little bit at the top.
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“All Religions” means “Muslims Only”
My profession is a gynecologist and during my work I examine women of nearly all religions and nationalities. For few years I worked in Makkah as well as in Kuwait where you could sample women of all religions and I found that only Egyptians, Sudanese, and Ethiopians have this habit of circumcision.
* Makkah is ‘Muslims Only’- how this nutbag can claim that she could ’sample women of all religions’ is a mystery.
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May 31st, 2007 at 6:29 pm
These peaceful ones crack me up. On the one hand, they insist on modesty-dressing their women in shrouds and whatnot. On the other hand, these goofballs talk endlessly about all things sexual-far more than supposedly decadent Westerners do. For supposed prudes these guys sure seem obsessed with sexual matters.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:08 pm
“How much for the women? The little girls, how much?”
June 1st, 2007 at 3:39 am
the practise of fgm is nothing more than removing a womans pleasure and use of power and control over women, islam is woman hating, always was,and women are merely for the pleasure of men. nothing in islam is for women but being objects of desire and being controlled all their lives how sad that women are brainwashed to believe it is god whom told a mad man to ensure that their pleasure in sex,the greatest love act beween men and woman is so robbed of their happiness and pleasure in such a macabre manner. laws must be enacted to ban migration of all women whom have had fgm done it shows that their family is incapable of assimilating and ban l with strict laws of jail for any child removed from australia to undergo fgm and to return again after the mutilation. jail and hell harsh punishment of au$500 000 per instance should do it.
June 1st, 2007 at 6:42 am
See!! All cultures are the same, NOT! The damn prophet even gave advise on the matter, Let us make up a story about the prophet jumping off a cliff and see if the mindless drones follow his example. We can only hope…
G’Day Gabriel…
June 2nd, 2007 at 5:10 am
Can any human really confuse these scum as also being human?
September 6th, 2007 at 7:15 am
May Peace of God be upon the humanism,
This picture may be true, but it’s not what Islam allows. There are plenty of traditional things others do and name them “in the name of Islam”.
Islam is the purest way of living. And it’s not against the women. I am women my self and I found the happiest moments while being a Muslimah. I am married and my husband practices Islam… and we are so happy together.
Please, be aware that Islam can’t be learned from people, but only from the Holy Quran (book of Islam).
People are those who do wrong, who do the mistakes, so we shouldnt rely on the actions of the people or in any traditional thing they do…
There was the only man who didnt do wrong and he was Prophet Muhammed. There are a lot of books you can read about his life. Please if you want to read them, do it but dont prejudge.
In the name of God, may this post make you aware of false things and untrue marketing of Islam.
samira
September 17th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
I hate this subject. I really do.
I believe it is wrong in the way it is practiced today. If the women were of age and given a choice, I could understand. However, some are drug kicking and screaming, and mutilated against their will.
If it was a choice, I would use the word modified but as the act is forced on children, it is a form of mutilation.
This is sick, it gives Islam a bad name in the eyes of other cultures. Especially considering that some of the practitioners say that it is Allah’s will. I find it hard to believe that a “loving” god would tell you to destroy your daughters woman hood to save her honor. Honor is found in resisting temptation, not pain.
September 22nd, 2007 at 8:01 am
it’s so terrible to see uneducated and unliterate people of Africa to do this terrible thing. Islam has nothing with this terrible exercise! In many Muslim countries this is banned! People who do this must be STOPPED and they must be JAILED for this. They must me Educated! I agree with Samira
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 am
Its not simply ‘uneducated and illiterate people in Africa’ who do this, it is done predominantly in Muslim countries because of this hadith:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 41, Number 5251)”
Start with your own people, Ibrahim and samira. Don’t worry about other people in Africa. It begins and ends with Islam.
Please note also the poster above who is only concerned about what gives ‘Islam a bad name’- Islam is what Islam does, and FGM is a very Islamic practice. Now lets talk about honor killings…
September 24th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
I wonder at people who do this, it is as if they say ‘God was wrong to make a woman this way’.
It is as if they think they know better than God, as if they were correcting a mistake God made.
Shame on them I say, how dare they tamper with and alter that which God saw fit to create.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:25 am
To our Muhammdedan apologists above: Islamic clerics would disagree with you. You better learn about your religion before you’re trying to peddle it to unbelievers:
Egyptian sheikh sues to allow female genital mutilation
From Earthtimes:
In an act that has sparked outrage among Egyptian women’s rights activists, a controversial Islamic scholar filed a lawsuit against the minister of health protesting a recent ban on female circumcision, a practice referred to by rights groups as female genital mutilation (FGM). Egyptian Sheikh Youssif al-Badri claimed the ministerial decree violated the Egyptian constitution as well as Islamic principles.
Conservative Muslim and Christian Egyptian families, have their daughters circumcised as a means to preserve their chastity. Recent studies revealed that about 90 per cent of Egyptian women have been subjected to the practice.
In June, the health ministry banned doctors and nurses from carrying out the procedure. The announcement followed the death of an 11-year-old girl in Upper Egypt as a result of the procedure. Medics who carry out circumcisions may face imprisonment and being stripped of their medical licenses.
While al-Badri argues that the practice is necessary in curbing women’s sexual inclinations, women’s rights activists and physicians disapprove of his view.
“Many of the circumcised women who seek our help were traumatised having no ability to lead a normal sex life, which affects their relationships with their husbands,” said Nihad Abul-Qomsan, head of the Egyptian Centre for Women’s Rights.
…Egypt’s top Islamic and Christian authorities were quick to voice support for the ban, saying the practice had no basis either in Koran or in the Bible.
“The constitution is based on the Islamic sharia law, which does not stipulate FGM, giving a wife the right to enjoy sex with her husband,” Khalil Mustafa Khalil, who holds a masters degree in FGM legislation, told the independent al-Badeel newspaper.
I’m just wondering what university gives a masters degree in FGM legislation.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2007/12/egyptian-sheikh-sues-to-allow-female.html
December 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
thank for your small vrsion I would like what to do with my two doughters as some dont and other say do it (circumsize) kindly adivice me thanks
worried Muslim
December 29th, 2007 at 11:49 pm
This is a “BARBARIC” and Male chauvinistic intrusion on basic human rights. A woman in Islam has to be subjugated to the point of mutilation. When will Islam finally realize that hundred of years has passed from where such practices where instituted. To force a woman into such a mutilation for the sake of religion and/or the guise that it will make her calmer is pitiful. How would the men feel if one decided to neuter them to make them feel calmer.
The World is moving forward and some religious zealots would prefer living and consequently drag as many Muslims as they can back in the dark ages. Is that enlightenment?
“IMPOSING” is not freedom of choice. Why do you have to be so out of step with the whole World? It really defies any sense of logic.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:52 am
It just breaks my heart to know that Islam reduces the state of women to nothing more than objects of pride and abuse.
Every evil you come across is islamic.
Now most moslem people try and give lame excuses that FGM is un-islamic then why the heck does it occur only in 99% islamic societies.
Are islamic men such losers that they cannot control their sexual desires and that if they see a woman’s face, they would commit sin in the middle of the road???
Burqas, hijabs, FGM, honor killings, muh-tas, stoning, live-burying … what else do u wanna hear?
i pray to god to exterminate all women in islamic countries all-together rather than subjecting them to such terrors… and then lets see what opinion all the moslem men would have… i am sure they would have a fine islamic excuse of good riddance.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
People get the wrong idea about FGM. They seem to think that just the clitoris is removed . They also seem to think that removing the clitoris is awful because it robs the woman of any sexual enjoyment. The normal FGM includes the inner and sometimes the outer labia, clitoris as well. Making the woman susceptible to all sorts of infections , from urination, to defecation to child birth, and sex. It makes all those bodily functions as well as sexual intercourse extremely painful. Why Muslim men want women who have been so abused is beyond me unless they have no confidence in their abilities as lovers.
April 9th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Circumcision of the helpless, male or female, is the first step of trauma-based mind control– creating later obedience to all atrocity and war.
May 17th, 2008 at 4:26 am
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May 24th, 2008 at 5:14 am
No where in the Quran is it written that FGM or Female circumcision be done.
Yes, in the Hadeeth it was noted that the Prophet (P.B.U.H) had said “Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 41, Number 5251)” but it was meant to not cut any part of her sexual organs because he knew if done so would be cruel to the girl/woman.
Islam is twisted by culture and people make it appear in the worst possible light. It is a pure religion, and if one did their best to understand it… they would learn that it is not one to promote such dreadful things about women.
May 26th, 2008 at 6:37 am
Dear All,
May 26th, 2008 at 6:37 am
Dear All,
May 27th, 2008 at 10:28 am
i’m a 15 year old girl. At school I learn all about this in Geography. Yes, it is sick. But you can’t blame the children for not knowing any better. I’m not saying I agree that Female Genital Mutilation should be happening. but think about it. these people in generations have grown up like this, grown up knowing this as their religion. they cant speak up for what they want, they will be hurt or treated as if they have commited a murder. yes i definatley think this is something wrong to do, and i cant believe that these children can under-go the pain, not only physically but emotionally, they are awake during the whole thing, though some pass out from the unbearable pain. I could not imagine going through the pain these young girls go through. and then going through the pain of it again in sex and after having a child. i mean they are cut/circumsized with a rusty razor blade that has been used on heaps and heaps of girls. its horrible…i hope many people have read my thoughts on this and take this into account.
May 31st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
my name is alia and i am a muslim women. and just for all of you ignorant people here, there is nothing in the quraan about circumsizing a women and absalutly no hadeeth what so ever! i come from a relegious family, and i am a Female! and guess WHAT!! i am not circumsized!!! for all of u ignorant out there, how about u do ur homework before making any inappropriate accusations! and stop distorting islam’s image! and find a real hobby instead!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am
[...] Female genital mutilation “is part of the Sunna of the Prophet” [...]
July 7th, 2008 at 5:16 am
Questions will continue. Infinite is always the answer.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:05 am
it’s a very bad thing to do! It’s unhumain!
July 20th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Aaliyah is right. There is nowhere in Quraan says anything about FGM. This was carried for many many years well before islam was revealed. Yes it is true there are some muslims who still do this but it has nothing to do with Islam.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
R, if you are suffering from reading comprehension problems go back to school. Nobody claimed its in the Koran, its in the hadith. Read yourself through the thread in order to make an informed comment. Btw: There are not ’some Muslims who still do this’, tens of millions of Muslims do this and it is becoming more rampant and more entrenched from Indonesia to Yemen and many other countries, especially Egypt where 95% of women have their clitoris cut out.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:23 am
I just found out today that my girlfriend had her clitoris removed when she was a kid … this is unbelievable to me … I cried so much … she seems to be fine with it, but I just think of how she never had a choice and that now she’ll never know the difference…
It’s not right. If anyone out there is considering cutting their daughters, I beg you to reconsider. If you agree that God created us the way we are, then what right do we have to cut pieces from our helpless children…?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
these days people do all sorts of stupid things in the name of islam
once a stupid professor married a girl took her to the desert and sewed up her genitals
he force his ‘thing’ into hers by forcing the stitches finally all the stitches forcefully ripped by intercorse
and the girl is left unconcious and wakes up in the day
again this whole event repeats everyday
and the man says its a sunah of the prophets
i think some ppl is practicing their fantasy BSDM in the name of religion
these ppl chant all bullshit
August 12th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
FUCK u sheikyermami
ppl like you who have being called extremists are ruining our countries
we were peacfull befor you ugly ppl came out
and to think u do all this in the name of the true religion of islam
u re just another faker in a turban
may god punish you for misleading and bringing these horrids in the name of islam
August 12th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
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August 16th, 2008 at 4:41 am
damn… I really hate this. Shame for all those people who do this!!!!!
October 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Seems like world doesn’t need any medical discoveries or science widely, just religion. But guess, which of them helps people to really live better? All this fuss around religions and all the brutual things they have brought along starting of Holy Wars and finishing FGM, I rather suspect religions are of just the same kind and purpose as the numerous brain-washing idealogies as nazism or communism or racism or fashism etc. Sorry, true religious people, if I happened to offend you, but I grew up in a former soviet system and have never felt religion missing in my life. Have happily lived up today without even thinking of God (the real one), yet not without the Red “Gods”.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Ok i’m an american muslim female. Before anyone gets all emotional and judgemental i would like to point out that this practice is not islamic at all. This practice existed thousands of years ago in africa and continues on today. If we look at non-african islamic countries we don’t see them praciticing FGM because it’s an ancient african practice. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did not perform this practice or preach it. The one hadith recorded states that he was asked by a woman that performs that and he was surprised and asked her “is that what you perform (in ur culture)” then “don’t take too much as it is better for a woman and desirable for a husband to not have FGM” and even this whole Hadith is a week one meaning that it might not be authentic at all. A lot of muslim clergy also forbade the practice as it inflicts harm on the woman whether it be physical or emotional and that’s forbidden in islam and any other religion really. Please before making jugements let educate ourselves first and know what we are talking about. Good Day.
December 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am
FGM is pre-Islamic, so why is it coupled to the decent religion, that is awful, for one thing, I agree with those who stood against the practice, because it would make the next generation happier in their feelings and free from the depression caused by forcible operations, so I comment on the full support to those who are discouraging the evil practices like the FGM
December 25th, 2008 at 1:07 am
I don’t care WHERE it stems from, it’s sick and wrong.