But, but, but: doesn’t the Koran cover every aspect of life and death? At least that’s what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says:
Unfortunately, the Koran is causing more problems than bloody solutions. But the  misunderstanders of Islam keep doing what they do best:
Pakistan sentences woman to be stoned to death for “illicit relations”: walking together with a man
Just as the media outrage over the planned stoning of an accused adulteress in Iran is winding down, with the predictable claims that Islam doesn’t sanction stoning, more Misunderstanders of Islam crop up, this time in Pakistan.
“WAF outraged at jirga’s judgment of stoning to death,” from the Daily Times via JW
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As usual, the army of obfuscators and Islamic apologists is spinning like Iranian centrifuges, and the Caliphate News Networx provides the soapbox to get the message out:
Islamic apologists featured at CNN: Relax, stoning isn’t in the Qur’an!
So there shouldn’t be a problem, right? Wrong. That does not begin to exonerate Islam from playing a role in stonings committed under Islamic law.
Apologists like to give the impression that Islam is a sola scriptura affair, relying entirely on the content of the Qur’an. It makes it easier to sell unbelievers the notion of the Qur’an as uncreated, complete unto itself, and not dependent on the cultural and temporal context in which it was purportedly revealed to Muhammad.
But that is not the case, and in that regard, the “experts” in the story below are being incredibly disingenuous. There is a Qur’an-only movement within Islam, but it is an extreme minority view at variance with the views of the major sects.
Indeed, Islamic ritual and conduct depend intensely on the details provided by ahadith in Sunni as well as Shi’ite Islam, and while the collections differ in organization and emphasis (with the Shi’ite texts in general naturally affording greater importance to the imam Ali), they converge a great deal in letter and spirit.
Sunni hadith texts, including Sahih (“reliable”) Bukhari, record Muhammad and his companions as being directly involved in stonings of men and women, and Muhammad is, of course, a “beautiful pattern of conduct” for believers, per Qur’an 33:21.
Better yet, the Bukhari collection posits that — whoops — the verses on stoning are curiously missing from the Qur’an:
‘Umar said, “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, “We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,” and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” Sufyan added, “I have memorized this narration in this way.” ‘Umar added, “Surely Allah’s Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him” (Sahih Bukhari 8.82.816).
Clearly, this tradition has survived on the Shi’ite side as well, and runs much deeper than apologists would have one believe.
“Quran doesn’t call for stoning, experts insist,” from CNN, July 9:
International outcry – and the pleas of a devoted son – seem to have saved an Iranian woman from being stoned to death for adultery.
But while Sakineh Mohammedie Ashitani has been granted a reprieve, she is not the only woman sentenced to be stoned for adultery in Iran. There have been at least six sentences carried out since 2006, says Ann Harrison, an Iran expert at Amnesty International in London.
Adultery is the only crime that carries such a penalty in Iranian law, she said.
Only a handful of countries have laws calling for stoning, and Iran is the only one that carries out executions that way, Amnesty International records suggest.
That is because Islam doesn’t really want the punishment to be carried out, says Ziba Mir-Hosseini, an Iranian-born campaigner against the practice.
Why would a religion so otherwise fixated on submission and obedience to Allah and his prophet include a prescription for something that shouldn’t really be put into practice?
“Stoning is not a Quranic punishment, it is Islamic jurisprudence. It happened later,” says Mir-Hosseini, an expert on Iranian family law at London’s School of Oriental and African Studies. “The punishment for any kind of sexual relations (outside of marriage) in the Quran is 100 lashes,” she says….
And we’re supposed to be okay with that cruel and unusual punishment as a substitute? For that matter, are we to believe that because it’s “just” Islamic jurisprudence, it’s less of a problem?
Read it all. While the story later acknowledges the presence of stoning in the ahadith, it continues its line of deception in downplaying the role of the ahadith, and falsely elevating a Qur’an-only image of authentic Islam.
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Other links:
- Muslim Iran: Pre-Teen Girls Raped Before Being Executed (sentenced to death, they also have to be raped before they can be…)
- Ayatollah Khomeini: Virgin Women Prisoners Must Be Raped Before …(According to a special “religious decree” issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, virgin women prisoners must be raped before execution to prevent their going to heaven.)
Regardless of whether or not stoning is in the quran, it is certainly entrenched in islamic law (sharia) and muslim culture.
I’m sure the mullocracy would like to see stoning used as blackmail (just like public beheadings) to help keep the seething masses in line.
Stoning is definitely in the Sira (The life of Muhammad). Muhammad insisted on stoning a Jewish adulterous couple. The Jews of that time had a moratorium on stoning as punishment for adultery. The reason was this: since the relative of a king escaped stoning because of his position while ordinary people bore the brunt of this cruel punishment the rabbis decided to suspend the practice.
Page 267 of the Life of Muhammad, a translation of Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah with an introduction and notes by A. Guillaume.
ISBN: 978-0-19-636033-1
Printed in Pakistan by
Mas Printers, Karachi.
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From the above you can deduce that this book is a genuine and legitimate Muhammadan book, not a slanderous Islamophobic rag.
Sharia laws are laws that reflect not only what is in the koran, but also the sunnah (hadith and sira). And stoning is indeed in sharia laws. And when they give us the B.S. that ‘there is no compulsion in religion’, well, there not only is that but there is very much a compulsion in forcing their sharia laws on us.
Reliance of the Traveller: o12.2 If the offender is someone with the capacity to remain chaste, then he or she is stoned to death…
Most of the time it is women who are stoned because they do not have 4 muslim male witnesses, or only have half the value as men.
The justification for stoning relies completely on the Hadith and not on the Quran, many scholars question its label as hudud, the very definition of such being “punishments mandated by God.”
See: http://stop-stoning.org/cases
Stoning for Women Accused of “Adultery” — Iran’s Position under International Law
Comments by David G. Littman: NGO Representative to the UN – Geneva: Association for World Education / World Union for Progressive Judaism
We were relieved to learn that it was possible to concentrate the minds of Iranian leaders by spreading the ghastly ‘stoning’ news worldwide: Iran backs down, won’t stone “adulterous” mother — but she is not safe yet.
It is now necessary for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights – and all Human Rights bodies — to call on the Islamic Republic of Iran to bring its Penal Code into harmony with the International human rights norms that are binding on Iran. The Association for World Education received a letter from the legal adviser to HCHR Mary Robinson 10 years ago (dated September 14, 2000) in regard to Iran’s use of shari’a law in an infamous trial concerning Jews.
The UN position was there stated – after a six month period of reflection:
The Member States which have acceded to and ratified United Human Rights Conventions remain bound, under all circumstances, by the provisions of those texts, as well as the erge omnes obligations under customary international law.
This very clear official UN position, here confirmed in writing, should be firmly upheld on all occasions by the High Commissioner, the Human Rights Council (at the 15th session from 13th September), UN bodies and all UN Member States. A good start would be for Iran to be asked to delete the articles on stoning in the Iranian Penal Code (Art. 100 – 104), as well as all similar barbaric punishment, such as cutting off a hand for minor theft, if it is still applied in Iran and any Member State of the UN – and of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. Such barbarism should no longer be considered as protected by an appeal to “freedom of religion”, as was done in 1994 by the delegate of the Sudan.
Stoning Monkeys
“Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun: During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:188
An AUTHENTIC hadith, straight from the religion of peace, where mohamed stoned a monkey that had committed “illegal” sex. Doesn’t say if the monkey was raped though.
IN CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, MUHAMMAD REPEATEDLY ORDERED STONING:
In the most canonical hadith collection, Sahih Bukhari:
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 805: Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah Al-Ansari: A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Apostle and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Apostle [Muhammad] ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married Person.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah’s Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. “What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?” They replied, “Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya.” ‘Abdullah bin Salam said, “O Allah’s Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah.” The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, “Lift up your hand.” Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah’s Apostle [Muhammad] ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn ‘Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 813:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
When Ma’iz bin Malik came to the Prophet (in order to confess), the Prophet said to him, “Probably you have only kissed (the lady), or winked, or looked at her?” He said, “No, O Allah’s Apostle!” The Prophet said, using no euphemism, “Did you have sexual intercourse with her?” The narrator added: At that, (i.e. after his confession) the Prophet [Muhammad] ordered that he be stoned (to death).
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 815:
Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid:
While we were with the Prophet [Muhammad], a man stood up and said (to the Prophet), “I beseech you by Allah, that you should judge us according to Allah’s Laws.” Then the man’s opponent who was wiser than him, got up saying (to Allah’s Apostle) “Judge us according to Allah’s Law and kindly allow me (to speak).” The Prophet said, “‘Speak.” He said, “My son was a laborer working for this man and he committed an illegal sexual intercourse with his wife, and I gave one-hundred sheep and a slave as a ransom for my son’s sin. Then I asked a learned man about this case and he informed me that my son should receive one hundred lashes and be exiled for one year, and the man’s wife should be stoned to death.” The Prophet [Muhammad] said, “By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I will judge you according to the Laws of Allah. Your one-hundred sheep and the slave are to be returned to you, and your son has to receive one-hundred lashes and be exiled for one year. O Unais! Go to the wife of this man, and if she confesses, then stone her to death.” Unais went to her and she confessed. He then stoned her to death.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 817:
[excerpt from long hadith]Narrated Ibn Abbas:
…Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male & female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah’s Apostle [Muhammad] did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, ‘By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah’s Book,’ and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed. And the punishment of the Rajam is to be inflicted to any married person (male & female), who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if the required evidence is available or there is conception or confession…
In the Qur’an “Allah” says at least 25 times that Muhammad is to be obeyed. That is one reason why most Muslim scholars accept the Bukhari hadiths and a few other hadith collections as authoritative for Muslims: canonical hadiths show what Muhammad did and said, permitted and forbade.