John Wesley:

“Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it…have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind”.

The destruction of anything pre-Islamic is also part of Islam:

Archeologists who are  Muslims would not be puzzled about this. They would find the mystery cleared up by the traditional Islamic idea that all artifacts of pre-Islamic civilization are manifestations of jahiliyya, the pre-Islamic period of ignorance, and are therefore nothing more than trash. They are not to be valued, venerated, respected in any way.

Turkey: V.S. Naipaul withdraws from event after Muslims enraged over his saying they don’t value pre-Islamic culture.

V. S. Naipaul has had to withdraw under pressure from an event in Turkey because Muslims were outraged over his saying that Islam “has had a calamitous effect on converted peoples. To be converted you have to destroy your past, destroy your history. You have to stamp on it, you have to say ‘my ancestral culture does not exist, it doesn’t matter.'”

Meanwhile, in Wonogiri, a regency in Central Java province in Indonesia, newly elected district chief Danar Rahmanto is withdrawing public funding for traditional, pre-Islamic Javanese performances. Muslim leader Ahmed Sukino explained: “The traditional ceremonies are misleading people. And the offerings to the sea include a buffalo’s head and harvest produce. Rather than let the food be wasted like this, why don’t we give it to the poor?” He was in effect saying, in Naipaul’s words, “my ancestral culture does not exist, it doesn’t matter.”

“Wonogiri Pulls Funding for Traditional Performances on Islamic Groups’ Urging,” by Candra Malik for the Jakarta Globe, November 25

Islamofascist AKP Government Approves Operating Dam on Archeological Site of Allianoi (Turkey exposed)

Despite all appeals Turkey began to flood the Roman antique city Allianoi close to Pergamon in favor of an extremely doubtful dam project. Allianoi was an ancient bathing and health resort fed of thermal springs, which are outstanding in its basic substance and particularly famous by the discovery of great Roman floor mosaics.  (H/T PI)

The Islamofascist AKP government, which has radically changed the Turkish foreign policy by aligning the country with Iran, antagonizing the one-time ally Israel, and publicly supporting the terrorist organization of Hamas, has made yet another controversial decision, this time regarding an ancient site in Turkey. Turkish press reports that the Turkish government has recently approved to start operating Yortanli Dam, which will inundate and destroy the ancient spa settlement of Allianoi. The settlement dates back to the 2nd century AD and was renowned for its thermal baths during the Roman and then Byzantine periods.

The nymph’s statue which became a symbol of Allianoi Rescue Campaign

The 2nd Committee for the Protection of Cultural and Natural Assets in Izmir has ordered the burial of Allianoi in sand and approved the operation of the irrigation dam, which will flood the ancient site located in its reservoir. The decision will practically cause the disappearance of the two thousand year-old archeological site and has stirred protests by conservationists in Turkey and around the world. However, the AKP government and its Islamic-minded bureaucrats have chosen to ignore criticisms, whereas the environment minister, Veysel EroÄŸlu, brazenly denied the existence of the ancient settlement. “There is no such place as Allianoi. It is just a hot spring called ‘PaÅŸa Ilıcası’ that was recently restored,” said the minister. “Veysel EroÄŸlu is not an archaeologist. What he said is really ridiculous,” Assistant Professor Ahmet YaraÅŸ, head of the excavations, said Wednesday based on a report of the Turkish daily Hürriyet.

“Allianoi is the most protected hot spring in the world. Some 11,000 coins, around 400 metal artifacts, 400 bone artifacts, 800 ceramic artifacts and around 400 glass artifacts have been found during excavations,” said YaraÅŸ, adding that only 20 percent of the city had been successfully excavated so far. “We have found a sculpture of Asclepius, who was known as the god of health. Alliaoni has 400 surgical instruments, the highest number ever found, proving that the place was a hospital at the time,” he said. (Original report http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=saving-an-ancient-city-that-doesnt-exist-2010-09-01)

Allianoi general view

While the AKP government is extremely vigilant about any cultural issue pertaining to Muslims in the world, it readily authorizes projects that irreversibly destroy non-Islamic cultural heritage within Turkey. Although this seems paradoxical, it is consistent from an Islamic viewpoint, because Islamists are only concerned about their own faith and do not have any appreciation and respect for other cultures that they consider wicked and impious. The decision of the Islamofascist government of Tayyip Erdogan to wipe the ancient Greek city of Allianoi off the maps is analogous to the destruction of Buddha statues in Afghanistan by Taliban in 2001. Both incidents demonstrate the animosity of fundamentalists toward non-Islamic civilizations.

In German:

Trotz aller Appelle hat die Türkei begonnen, die Römische Antike Stadt Allianoi nahe Pergamon zugunsten eines überaus fragwürdigen Staudamm-Projekts zu fluten. Allianoi war ein von Thermalquellen gespeister antiker Bade- und Kurort, der in seiner Grundsubstanz hervorragend erhalten ist und vor allem durch das Freilegen großartiger römischer Fußbodenmosaike bekannt geworden ist.

Hugh Fitzgerald:

The well-known English archeologist Kathleen Kenyon, who uncovered evidence of Christian churches in land controlled by the Jordanians, had quite a different experience, and was forced to quit digging. Perhaps the Jordanian government, having no oil, or other sources of income save what Infidels at the moment provide (including the preferential treatment of Jordanian textiles by the American government) has set its sites on increasing tourism, and perhaps that explains the enthusiasm you describe for the “tourist attraction” that was uncovered. But there are many people in Jordan, as elsewhere, whose sole interest in preserving such evidence of non-Muslims has nothing to do with the desire to preserve such a heritage save in order to obtain those tourist dollars. Look at what happened to Roman ruins in Lebanon; look at the indifference to Babylonian ruins in Iraq; look at how all of the archeological discoveries were the result of Westerners, not indifferent or hostile Muslims; look at the treatment of the Sphinx by Muslims in Egypt (the face vandalized long before Napoleon’s soldiers, who are sometimes blamed, arrrived), or the Elgin Marbles on the Parthenon Frieze (deliberately damaged by Turkish Muslim soldiers), or the threats made in the past by Muslim Brotherhood members to destroy the Pyramids and other evidence of the pre-Islamic past; the destruction of the Hindu temples all over India (and one destroyed within the past year in Kuala LUmpur), the destruction of Joseph’s Tomb by “Palestinians,” the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas becuase, with the help of Pakistani and Saudi engineers, and dynamite, at long last those monumental structures could be destroyed. Shall I go on?

I don’t think it necessary.

And A. Carlebach from 55 years ago:

“You can talk ‘business’ with everyone, and even with the devil. But not with Allah…

“This is what every grain in this country [eretz Israel] shouts. There were many great cultures here, and invaders of all kinds. All of them — even the Crusaders — left signs of culture and blossoming.

“But on the path of Islam, even the flies have died.

V S Naipaul wrote of his travels in non-Arab Muslim lands:

Because I was soon to discover that no Colonization had been so thorough as the colonization that had come with the Arab faith. Colonized or defeated peoples can begin to distrust themselves. In the Muslim countries I am talking about, this distrust had all the force of religion. It was an article of the Arab faith that everything before the faith was wrong, misguided, heretical; there was no room in the heart or mind of these believers for their pre-Mohammedan past. So ideas of history here were quite different from ideas of history elsewhere; there was no wish here to go back as far as possible into the past, and to learn as much as possible about the past. Persia had a great past; it had been the rival in classical times of Greece and Rome. But you wouldn’t have believed it in Iran in 1979; for the Iranians the glory and the truth had begun with the coming of Islam, Pakistan was a very new Muslim state. But the land was very old. In Pakistan were the ruins of the very old cities of Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa. Fabulous ruins, the discovery of which earlier this century had given a new idea of the history of the sub-continent. Not only pre-Islamic Ruins; but possibly also Pre-Hindu. There was an archaeological department, inherited from British days, which looked after the sites. But there was, especially with the growth of fundamentalism, a contrary current. This was expressed in a letter to a newspaper while I was there. The ruins of the cities, the writer said, should be hung with quotations from the Koran, saying that this was what befell unbelievers. The faith abolished the past. And when the past was abolished like this, more than an idea of history suffered. Human behavior, and ideals of good behavior, could suffer.

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4 thoughts on “Jahiliyya”

  1. John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist movement

    1Th 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

    Wesley’s commentary:

    “1Th 2:15 – Us – Apostles and preachers of the gospel. They please not God – Nor are they even careful to please him, notwithstanding their fair professions. And are contrary to all men – Are common enemies of mankind; not only by their continual seditions and insurrections, and by their utter contempt of all other nations; but in particular, by their endeavouring to hinder their hearing or receiving the gospel.”

    he is talking about Jews in this passage.

  2. If as it seems we are heading to a full scale war with Islam, then this time we don’t let the Turks get away with it. Defeat has to have consequences. This time we take back Constantinople, Ephesus, Corinth and other sites of prime importance to Western civilisation. If we don’t then the future will not forgive us, as these barbarians will destroy everything that is pre-Islamic.

  3. Or this

    Victor Hugo, in “Les Orientales”, writes: “The Turks came this way. Everything is ruin and mourning.

    Or this

    “I studied the Kuran a great deal … I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammed. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world, and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion infinitely more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.”
    -Alexis de Tocqueville

    Or this

    “For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life.” – Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica, 1354.

  4. islam is heading for a full-scale war with Israel – there will be consequences, including the reduction of Damascus to landfill.

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