Indonesia’s famous pop star Rhoma Irama was hailed by his fans for speaking out against Christians and Chinese in a mosque, Al Jazeera reports. Several preachers are also being accused of engaging in hate speech against Christian politicians in mosques.
Irama had to appear before Indonesia’s election committee for statements he made about Christians. “If a Christian becomes a leader in our capital, Jakarta, in a country with a Muslim majority, we will be a disgrace in the eyes of the world,” he said in a mosque. “Allah forbids us to elect a non-Muslim,” he told reporters. “I have the duty to warn people, otherwise we will be heavily punished. We’ll be Allah’ enemies and we’ll be punished in the afterlife.” The election committee decided that Irama will not be punished for his statements.
An estimated 90 percent of Indonesia’s population is Muslim. The nation’s governing ideology states that all religious and ethnic groups are equal.
Andreas Yewangoe, head of Indonesia’s Protestant Churches, told Al Jazeera, “According to our constitution, all Indonesians, regardless of their religion, have the right to become a leader. Of course a speech in a mosque not to vote for a non-Muslim leader is fine if Indonesia was an Islamic state. But Indonesia is not an Islamic state.”
Oh yes it is.Its all happening before our very eyes.
Hate speech in mosques as part of a political campaign has become a cheap way to win over voters.  Al Jazeera secretly filmed a preacher saying that Muslims will be punished if they vote for a non-Muslim candidate. (source)
Writing an opinion piece at The Jakarta Post, Sondang Grace Sirait opined,
This is the kind of backwater issue that is keeping Indonesia from moving ahead with its democratic and development agenda. Instead of measuring the nation’s resilience against global competitiveness, we’re reduced to a state of stagnant backwardness, masked in conservative interpretation of a religion.
Back in school, in the early 1990s, I was taught to memorize the meaning of Bhinneka Tunggal Ika, a Majapahit-era phrase inscribed under the national symbol of Garuda Pancasila, even mentioned in the 1945 Constitution, resonating in the belief of “unity in diversity”.
My generation believed and lived in multiethnic harmony. We poked fun at someone’s language or accent, but never one’s faith. We called each other names, but never with prejudice.
Today’s Indonesia is far from such innocence.
These days we get tangled up in differentiating between conservatism and radicalism. Heightened religiosity means excessive displays of religion, at times accompanied by circumscribed interpretation that belittles anyone “different”.
It is a move against the moderates and the secularists, those who have the numbers but lack visibility. Religious-based organizations, acting more like hate groups, grow in confidence as they continue to evade the law and feed stories to the ratings-hungry media. Faith thus becomes a tool of force, used to create such polarizations as “you’re either with us or against us”.
There is no sound as pleasing to Allah as the Shout of Allahu Akbar; it tells him an infidel is being punished. But these are words of action and must not be used in vain.
“Allah forbids us to elect a non-Muslim…”
That is true..non-muslims should never be leaders in a country with muslim majority..Indonesia is the largest muslim population in th world,do u think its fair to them to be led by a Christian?it is like having a Muslim Leader to Vatican State,nevertheless Christians are very welcome to live in Islamic countries and they have full rights just as their Muslim Peers..but when it comes to leadership..its another thing..i am sure your blind animosity against Islam will never allow u to see the real picture.
“nevertheless Christians are very welcome to live in Islamic countries and they have full rights just as their Muslim Peers”
Yeah, right…here is a classic example of how ‘welcome’ Christians are in muslim societies, “the real picture” to use your own terminology.
http://waronterrornews.typepad.com/home/2012/02/suicidal-islamist-kills-3-nigerians-at-church.html
This is not an isolated incident. Every normal contributor to this website could spend the rest of their lives supplying links to similar examples of suicidal islamic teachings and yet people like yourselves will continue to argue that islam is a ‘religion of peace’, even in the face of mountains of undeniable (a least to normal educated people) proof that it is anything but.
So our advice to people such as yourselves is to pull your heads out of the sand & start learning the truth of islam. If you don’t want to do that, well, then just stick your heads back up your arses and continue to live in denial.
mhajden,
“That is true..non-muslims should never be leaders in a country with muslim majority”
Why can’t non muslims be leaders of a majority Islamic state? forget Vatican city citing 1 solitary place does not give credibility to your feeble argument.
“nevertheless Christians are very welcome to live in Islamic countries and they have full rights just as their Muslim Peers”
Full rights do you say? is this a case of Taqiya i see? Why is it that non Muslims cannot give testimony in an Islamic court systems? and you say ‘full rights’.
The West allows Muslims more rights per se than any Islamic boghole allows non Muslims today and I guess you’re well aware of it!
Allahu Akbar means my Allah is greater: Allahu = My God/ My Allah. Akbar = greater. So Allahu akbar means My God is greater.
“Full rights” includes the right to run for parliament. Otherwise, no “full rights” exist.
The Muslim speaking above might be interested to know that “Islamic” Sudan would have highly likely had a Christian leader voted in – by MUSLIMS – if he had not met an untimely death (2005). So put that in your pipe and smoke it, brother!
@melvin polatnick
….And you know what Allah thinks……because?????
To Rossco
That is indeed and isolated incident, the war between Muslims in North of Nigeria and Christians in the south is well known to everyone and you focusing in what lunatic Muslim groups do there and ignoring what Christians do shows how clouded your objectivity is by hatred.
You can all spend your lives clutching at others mistakes and supplying links, you can all spend your lives looking at the empty half of the cup but this is not going to change the well established truth about the peacefulness of Islam. The dogs park but the convoy keeps moving on my friend.
mhajden,
Again you keep on writing NOTHING. Lets discuss your answer to Rossco!!!
>That is indeed and isolated incident, the war between Muslims in >North of Nigeria and Christians in the south is well known to >everyone and you focusing in what lunatic Muslim groups do there >and ignoring what Christians do shows how clouded your objectivity >is by hatred.
Firstly, you retarted muslim liar, the North is seeking to split Nigeria along tribal grounds using pislam as an excuse. The Christians here are the victims, and any violence committed by the Christian minority in the North has been due to viscous and unrestricted MUSLIM violence against them. Why is the north doing this – most likely the problems are directly related to attempts by Nigeria’s muslim neighbours to destroy what is effectively one of the few working countries in Africa. And you are a liar – islam is not peaceful and the stories of the atrocities committed by muslims are now becoming almost passe.
>You can all spend your lives clutching at others mistakes and >supplying links, you can all spend your lives looking at the empty >half of the cup but this is not going to change the well established >truth about the peacefulness of Islam. The dogs park but the convoy >keeps moving on my friend.
Actually, muslim pig, the converse is true. You invent what you are not and the dreamer is you. You spend your life clutching at a lie (islam) while the world passes you by. The realitiy is that islam is a vile thing and that it destroys, you are simply a brainwashed egyptian fool, and it is also not improbably that you were one of the muslims who murdered 60+ innocent tourists at Luxor . The well established truth is that islam is violent, and the convoy is leaving you ignorant muslims behind.
Now mneverhadabrain, when you have something useful to say please enlighted us – but keep your meaningless defence of islam in the toilet where it belongs (I am assuming that you know how to use a toilet – as a muslim that is questionable)
To Ironside
“Why can’t non muslims be leaders of a majority Islamic state? forget Vatican city citing 1 solitary place does not give credibility to your feeble argument.”
What about Israel? Would they accept a Muslim leader? Its a Jewish majority state and its not right to be led by a Muslim, this is a logical thing except when a Muslim country do it then of course its racism. America was turned upside down upon the slightest suspicion that Obama might be Muslim, but of course it is ok for them to do that, Muslims are the only ones with no right to complain.
“Full rights do you say? is this a case of Taqiya i see? Why is it that non Muslims cannot give testimony in an Islamic court systems? and you say ‘full rights’.”
I attended a few of the courts here before and I found the judge put in front of him a copy of the Quran and a copy of the Bible so Muslim and Christian witnesses take the oath on what ever they believe in, I don’t know where these allegations are coming from.
Mhajden,
I will spend my life supplying links to the truth, it is just so unfortunate that you do not like them. My guess is that you are afraid of the truth, huh?
So if you want to go on believing that acts like these are isolated incidents, you must have great difficulty breathing, seeing as though you have your head burried deep in the sand (or elsewhere).
Good luck with the ‘peacefulness of islam’. You’re going to need it…
Mhadjen,
You are an idiot – and this is very clear from what you write. Let is analyze your “silly comments”.
>That is indeed and isolated incident, the war between Muslims in >North of Nigeria and Christians in the south is well known to >everyone and you focusing in what lunatic Muslim groups do there >and ignoring what Christians do shows how clouded your objectivity >is by hatred.
Except that the violence being perpetrated by Muslims is NOT isolated!!! This problem is accelerating in magniture and it is due to YOUR (meaning the muslim communitiy) support of violence and cohersion to destroy others who do not share any belief in islam. Actually, the problem is drawn along tribal borders where one troibe (in the North) is using islam as justification for their vioence and the Chritian minority is indeed under attack. The Chritians here are the victims and I challenge you to give us an example of where Chritians have killed mulim scum without proir provocation. Of course killing is wrong, but when faced wit hthe choice of being murdered by mindless muslim dolt or fighting back there is only one choice. You are a stupid egyptian – you know little of Africa, and probably less about Medicine. Do not post here again unless you have something useful to say.
Islam is not pleace – it is violence and coercion, and if you cannot even understand your own history then there is not hope for change and you are lost!!! Now fuck off.
Spot on Rosscoe – hadjen is a fool – as for the peacefulness of islam – amusing concept when every day muslims kill and murder those who believe otherwise. Like all muslims hadjen cannot understand the truth, because it tells him that everything he stands for is false. In this situation a great deal of moral courage is required to change, but mhadjen is a coward and such courage is unknown in the muslim world.
To reddog333
Your hate teachers taught you wrong..Allahu=(God) not (my god) Akbar=Greater than anything
Allahu Akbar=God is greater than anything..Muslim believe that Christians,Jews and Muslims have only one god. YOU r not a true Muslim if u don’t believe in Christianity and Judaism, so Allahu Akbar means the one god of all ,Muslims, Christians and Jews is greater than anything.
(In God we trust) is the official motto of the united states and they print it on their money, no one says anything about it, but of course when Muslims glorify their lord they are punch of ignorant fanatics that should be bombed and attacked all the time.
Do you want me to stick my fist up your @ss??? Moron!!!
To PJG
“Full rights” includes the right to run for parliament. Otherwise, no “full rights” exist.
The Muslim speaking above might be interested to know that “Islamic” Sudan would have highly likely had a Christian leader voted in – by MUSLIMS – if he had not met an untimely death (2005). So put that in your pipe and smoke it, brother”
Non Muslims do have the right to run for parliament.In fact every Muslim country (including mine) has a number of seats that (must) be occupied by non Muslims, but again the leadership is another thing.
About Sudan if u r talking about Dr.John Garang who died in 2005, and u think he had .00001% shot to be voted in by Muslims then my friend u really really don’t know anything.
To kaw
From all the rubbish personal attack and name calling u wrote above, I surprisingly managed to extract one useful sentence, which is
“The Christians here are the victims, and any violence committed by the Christian minority in the North has been due to viscous and unrestricted MUSLIM violence against them”
That is correct, violence can indeed be a reaction for Oppression, disrespect and tyranny an that applies to 90% of all violent actions committed by Muslims, if the west removed their bases outside Islamic lands and stopped supporting the Zionists to kill Palestinians there would have never been 9/11 ..if they didn’t invade Muslim countries based on false accusations there would have never been all that suicide bombing.
Tp reddog333
“Do you want me to stick my fist up your @ss??? Moron!!!”
now u r turning nasty like everyone else.
Please show my comment to kaw
What mhadjen doesnt tell readers is that there is no central authority to interpet islamic dogma – so what mhadjen spouts is the garbage from his “local islamic brach” – nothing more. In this respect hahden is a much an “expert” in islam as the unfortunate dogs that have to eat garbage to survive in his country. Actually dont you find hadjen rather amusing with his rather insulting use of the work “friend” and “brother! – typical islamic slime is ever there was one. What is more amusing, however, is watching him trying to argue in defence of his already flawed theseis that islam is peace. Now, lets see how many more people have been murdered by the religion of peace in the last 24 hours. Care to guess “friend”. As for the BS about non-muslims being allowed to ruin for parliament – this is almost certainly due to international pressure and, as one sees from the moronic islamists (esp. in Egypt ), is a concept not generally held to favour by muslims. Amazing how the same old mistruths are dragged out by hadjen in almost every one of his posts. He is probably stupid enought to believe them!!!
BS. You’re a Jordanian??? Well you must be. You people are thick!!!
No you big man with the mind of a 5 year old I said what is correct. If I am wrong prove it with the Arabic of whatever “my God” is in Arabic. Instead of pretending.
mhajden
I find it interesting indeed now you cite Israel. Seeing as the biggest motivator for hatred towards Jews is that very country ‘Israel’, the same motivator that pushed Merah the Tolouse killer, the same motivator for the murder of the Fogle family in Itamar, remember Beslan and not to mention scores of other barbarous acts.
As a once great man said, ‘Muslims have 56 countries to choose from I only have 1 as a Jew’, Rabbi Meir Kahane. Ahh guess what he was murdered by another peaceful Muslim too.
I suspect already you would know very well what would happen to the Jews in Israel if Muslims had the power to do as they please, duh.
FYI, Non muslims cannot give testimony in an Islamic court, you know of Sharia, yes?
Sheik my post has gone through to the binny again 🙁
As you know today is Eid Elfetr,and we have lots of guests,kaw and reddog333..i fully red your comments and i will be backt to them afternoon.
Lol – should we expect more of the same tripe as a reply – if so dont bother.
Mhajden: do you know how all the Muslims in Sudan would have voted in a secret ballot? How clever of you! Dr Garang’s popularity among Muslims was well-known, but not by you, apparently. Perhaps your Muslim Sudanese friends were lying to you? After all, they might have been frightened of what you might do to them if they told you what they really thought!!!
To kaw
“lets see how many more people have been murdered by the religion of peace in the last 24 hours. Care to guess “friend”
I hope you care to guess how many Muslims were killed last week in Burma and Myanmar, I hope you read this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma) to get a glimpse of what Muslims are suffering from.
I can also post hundreds of links to articles about how Muslims are mistreated in many parts of the world, but I wont bother because I know that your double standard ideology is to believe that its ok for Muslims to be killed, it is not even worth mentioning but god forbid someone gets hurt by a Muslim, then all Muslims should be punished.
“As for the BS about non-muslims being allowed to ruin for parliament – this is almost certainly due to international pressure”
This is due to justice and tolerance of Islamic non Muslim minority constitutes 8% of population they get 8% of parliament seats if they represent 10%, they get 10% of seats and so on. this doesn’t have anything to do with pressure.
To reddog333
“No you big man with the mind of a 5 year old I said what is correct. If I am wrong prove it with the Arabic of whatever “my God” is in Arabic. Instead of pretending.”
My god in Arabic means (elahi) not (allahu)
To Ironeside
“I find it interesting indeed now you cite Israel. Seeing as the biggest motivator for hatred towards Jews is that very country ‘Israel’, the same motivator that pushed Merah the Tolouse killer, the same motivator for the murder of the Fogle family in Itamar, remember Beslan and not to mention scores of other barbarous acts”
We all know that Israel is the essence of evil, and the reason all recent wars and conflicts between Muslims and the west, and every living soul on this planet knows very well that this conflict will continue until Israel stops to exist. as long as only one Muslim is still breathing on this earth, Israel is not safe can call me terrorist u can call me racist but this is the undeniable truth and I wont burry my head in the sand.
“As a once great man said, ‘Muslims have 56 countries to choose from I only have 1 as a Jew’, Rabbi Meir Kahane. Ahh guess what he was murdered by another peaceful Muslim too”
I am not sure he is so great, but he can have his one country a way from sacred Muslim land, this cancerous tumor implanted in Muslim body has to be removed by a surgical excision, salut for the peaceful Muslim who murders this dirty colonial Zionist.
I know I might sound harsh, and it is hard for your minds to perceive this, but what I said is the conscious of quarter of humanity (1.2 B Muslims),no peace in the world as long as Israel exist or at least as long as they continue to act like that.
“I suspect already you would know very well what would happen to the Jews in Israel if Muslims had the power to do as they please, duh”
They will be treated with respect under Islamic rule.
“FYI, Non muslims cannot give testimony in an Islamic court, you know of Sharia, yes?”
Honestly I am not sure about that so I wont comment on it.
To PJG
“Mhajden: do you know how all the Muslims in Sudan would have voted in a secret ballot? How clever of you! Dr Garang’s popularity among Muslims was well-known, but not by you, apparently. Perhaps your Muslim Sudanese friends were lying to you? After all, they might have been frightened of what you might do to them if they told you what they really thought!!!”
I agree that Dr.garang was pretty popular,but his popularity among Muslims was more like Nelson Mandela,Guevara or Gandhi,he was respected as a struggler against oppression, but to be selected as president, that is 100% impossible ,I think you should know something about Muslim mentality, no Muslim from the beginning of Islam and until the judgment day, east and west, north and south. old or young, liberal or fundamentalist will accept a non Muslim to be his leader.
To mhjden
you wrote…
“Allah forbids us to elect a non-Muslim…”
That is true..non-muslims should never be leaders in a country with muslim majority..Indonesia is the largest muslim population in th world,do u think its fair to them to be led by a Christian?it is like having a Muslim Leader to Vatican State,nevertheless Christians are very welcome to live in Islamic countries and they have full rights just as their Muslim Peers..but when it comes to leadership..its another thing..i am sure your blind animosity against Islam will never allow u to see the real picture.
For your information, the one who will be the leader should they win the election is actually Muslim. It will be Joko Widodo, which is Muslim, as the governor. And Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, which is Chinese and Christian, as the vice. So, it’s not really like the Christian will be the leader of Muslim people.
Listen up guys, let’s straight this things up ‘kay? First.
Mhajden; listen to me, if you want to protest. I don’t care, just read the Bible until the last page. And then, church which are burned are are more than the Masjid which is burned. So that’s the reason why some people thought that Muslims hate Christians. Got it? And.. I know that the REAL Muslim lesson is great. But, like Osama bin Laden? O.. No comments. I know he doesn’t know the REAL Muslim. And.. Jokowi: Muslim Ahok: Christian Aren’t they a great combination? I know that Jokowi’s Muslim is deep. And.. I like people which is not racist! I think Muslim and Christian can become one. Like in Malaysia.