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Mixing the Sexes in Australian Mosques
* AnotherÂ blue-eyedÂ BS article by the AGE. Check back in a year and you’ll find that nothing has changed…
by Baron Bodissey/Gates of Vienna
The argument over Muslim women’s rights continues to boil in the Australian media.
The fact that the argument has been made public Down Under is significant, because there is an all but complete conspiracy of silence in Europe and North America about the same issues. The non-Australian Western media continue to overlook the subjugation of women under Islam, preferring to ignore the elephant in the Multicultural room.
First we had Muslim women claiming thatÂ Islam was the prime guarantor of women’s rights. Then we hadÂ an article about domestic violence, rape, and polygamyÂ among Muslims in Australia. And now we have a prominent Australian imam advocating the mixing of the sexes in Australia’s mosques.
Raising such suggestions would invite ostracism (or worse) in Saudi Arabia or Hamtramck. But in Australia the matter is being openly discussed. According toThe Age:
Cleric Vows to End Segregation in Mosques
Australia’s most senior Muslim wants men and women to pray together.
* Nothing will come of it. check back in a year or two and you’ll find it was all hot air…/ed
Australia’s most senior Muslim has said he will end segregation of men and women in mosques, in a bold response to Islamic women’s anger at entrenched discrimination.
The Mufti of Australia, Sheikh Fehmi Naji el-Imam, said he would put his proposal to the next meeting of the Australian National Imams’ Council and consider how women could share the room with men during prayers.
Sheikh Fehmi said segregated worship had been introduced long ago, as a cultural change, not a religious one, and he would argue to end it.
“It is good to hear the complaints of the sisters, and to try to find some solution to their concerns,” he toldÂ The AgeÂ in an exclusive interview.
“My duty is to propose, to discuss and try to convince. I can’t guarantee the outcome.” Â Of course not, sheiky, of course not…
This is the understatement of the year. The sheikh will face entrenched resistance to his radical ideas, not just in Australia, but in the traditional centers of Islamic jurisprudence abroad.
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Sheikh Fehmi said that in the time of the Prophet Mohammed 1400 years ago, women were not segregated.
Regardless of any historical truth about egalitarian customs, what he advocates is simplyÂ not done. Not in Islam, anyway. Not even in the 21st century.
His announcement is likely to attract international attention and may spark fierce debate among highly conservative mosque communities within Australia.
In some mosques overseas, there are no physical barriers between men’s and women’s areas but in Australia almost every mosque separates men’s and women’s sections.
Sydney lecturer Jamila Hussain this week told a conference at the National Centre for Excellence in Islamic Studies that women found facilities at some mosques “insulting” and that they were treated as second-class citizens.But according to the Koran and the hadith, theyÂ areÂ second-class citizens. They are required to obey their fathers, their brothers, and their husbands. Their legal testimony carries half the weight of a man’s.Â
- Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
- The Prophet said, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said, “Yes.” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.”
- Â Women are “your tilth”:
Sura (2:223) – “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.” Wives are to be sexually available to their husbands in all ways at all times. They serve their husbands at his command. This verse refers to anal sex (see Bukhari 60:51), and was “revealed” when women complained to Muhammad about the practice. The phrase “when and how you will” means that they lost their case. Â There’s much more, here
Last night, Ms Hussain welcomed Sheikh Fehmi’s promise to try to end segregation.
“It’s an excellent start. But I’m a bit hesitant about when or whether it will happen – it will be a while.”
She said many men would oppose such a move and, sadly, some women too. Imams didn’t necessarily have much say.
Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Sherene Hassan said it was a fine initiative, and it was good to see imams being proactive. She said it was in line with true Islamic teaching.
Sheikh Isse Musse, imam of Werribee mosque, agreed that at the start of Islam men and women had prayed together, “but it’s not allowed that a man stands to the right of a woman or to the left of a woman”.
At his mosque, all pray in the same room, with men in rows at the front, then children in rows, then women. But he did not think this was palatable to many Muslims, especially as many new mosques gave better facilities to women in their own areas.
Ms Hussain said this week that provisions for women and children in mosques lagged far behind men’s. In most mosques, men entered the prayer room through large front doors, but women usually had to enter a small door at the rear, often competing with traffic while leading small children.
Their space was always considerably inferior to the men’s, and was sometimes entirely blocked off so that they could not see or hear the service.
Ms Hussain, who studied Sydney mosques, said that in some, women had to pray in the yard under a blazing sun while men enjoyed the cool interior, or to pray in a kitchen between stoves and sinks, or to pray in a tent in full view of a pub over the road.
From an Islamic perspective, this is a subversive discussion. Islamic doctrine cannot withstand egalitarian arguments if they are taken to their logical conclusion.
I’ll be interested to see follow-up reports from Victoria in a year or two.
New Mufti Same As Old Mufti
|Do Muslim doctors preserve life?|
|Written by Cassandra Â Â|
|Tuesday, 13 January 2009|
In the last Saturday before Christmas, Al Age chose the inspiring tale of a high achieving student whose family fled war-torn Afghanistan as its feel-good story.
Wonderful to hear of this student’s success.
It makes me proud to hear how Australia welcomed this family, giving them opportunities and freedom.Â
Let’s hope this fine young man feels gratitude for the country that gave him and his family so much.Â
Sadly, he worships at Sheik Fehmi’s Preston Mosque. Fehmi doesn’t think Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, has praised Hezbollah, and did not distance himself from Melbourne imam Sheik Mohammed Omran.Â
In an interview in the Sunday Herald Sun Sheik Fehmi talked of the terrorism trials and the nature of Islam:
Fehmi would know that those committing terrorist acts are not extremists, but carrying out the tenets of mainstream Islam, as laid down in the texts and that in Islam an ‘innocent’ person is one who is a Muslim.
Sorry Fehmi, you can’t fool all of us: we don’t misunderstand Islam, but have discovered the horrible truth!
Sadly, many naÃ¯ve Westerners, not realising the real meaning, would be reassured by his deceptive words.Â
Andrew Bolt, pariah of Islamists and their useful idiot supporters, remarked:Â
Reporter Tanya Nolan interviewed Fehmi on ABC’s The World Today in 2005:
To discover the real Islam, which is substantially different from the sanitised one for general Aussie public consumption, hear it from the horse’s mouth – Islamic Websites. Here’s an extract:
Some Muslim doctors have got themselves a bad reputation of late, with their zeal for Islam taking precedence over their Hippocratic oath. This reflects unfairly on those doctors who happen to be Muslim, but don’t stick literally to their Islamic faith (Bill Warner calls them kuffarised Muslims), and treat all patients with humanity.
Of course not all Muslim doctors are terrorists, but it can’t be denied that some give cause for concern:
So heartiest congratulations to Shaheen Hasmat for his richly deserved success.
But take my advice: stay away from mosques, most of which are at least partly financed by extremists from Arabia. Stay away from Islam, whose teachings contradict your sacred duties as a doctor.
Continue to be a credit to your family and a credit to the adopted country, which has given you so much.
Work for the benefit of all humanity, regardless of religion.Â
Admittedly, it will mean derogating from your Islamic faith, but here in Australia you have the freedom to choose â€“ humanity or Islam.
Please choose humanity, for all our sakes!
New mufti defends ‘misunderstood’ Al Hilali
The new Mufti of Australia says his predecessor, Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali is a good man who has been misunderstood by the media.
Sheikh Fehmi Naji El-Imam has taken on the role as the Mufti of Australia after Sheikh Al Hilali decided not to continue on as the top Australian imam yesterday.
Speaking at his Melbourne mosque, Sheikh El-Imam tried to avoid questions about his controversial predecessor, who once compared scantily clad women to pieces of meat.
The new mufti says his predecessor is a good man and has urged the media to be more accepting of people from other cultures.
“As we say there is a freedom of speech in this country – fair enough, let us have freedom of speech,” he said.
He has also blamed the media for labelling Sheikh Al Hilali as controversial and says he wants to see a better relationship with a more accepting media in the future.
He says people should also remember Sheikh Al Hilali for his attempts to free Australian Douglas Wood, who was held captive in Iraq.
Sheikh El-Imam says his predecessor has a good side and has been misunderstood.
“Maybe sometimes you let your tongue go too far, but still maybe you don’t mean to harm others,” he said.
2 thoughts on “Sheik Fehmi's Taqiyya”
Remember the days that in the Catholic churches, women and men were seated on different sides and women had to wear a hat.
Women were wearing hats those days in all churches.
They came a long way, but Islam is stuck in the year 600.
OOH! all those men and women in such close proximity it could lead to dancing. But sadly probably more wife bashing.
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