Sheik Fehmi's Taqiyya

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Mixing the Sexes in Australian Mosques

* Another blue-eyed BS article by the AGE. Check back in a year and you’ll find that nothing has changed…

by Baron Bodissey/Gates of Vienna

The argument over Muslim women’s rights continues to boil in the Australian media.

The fact that the argument has been made public Down Under is significant, because there is an all but complete conspiracy of silence in Europe and North America about the same issues. The non-Australian Western media continue to overlook the subjugation of women under Islam, preferring to ignore the elephant in the Multicultural room.

First we had Muslim women claiming that Islam was the prime guarantor of women’s rights. Then we had an article about domestic violence, rape, and polygamy among Muslims in Australia. And now we have a prominent Australian imam advocating the mixing of the sexes in Australia’s mosques.

Raising such suggestions would invite ostracism (or worse) in Saudi Arabia or Hamtramck. But in Australia the matter is being openly discussed. According toThe Age:

Cleric Vows to End Segregation in Mosques

Australia’s most senior Muslim wants men and women to pray together.

* Nothing will come of it. check back in a year or two and you’ll find it was all hot air…/ed

Australia’s most senior Muslim has said he will end segregation of men and women in mosques, in a bold response to Islamic women’s anger at entrenched discrimination.

The Mufti of Australia, Sheikh Fehmi Naji el-Imam, said he would put his proposal to the next meeting of the Australian National Imams’ Council and consider how women could share the room with men during prayers.

Sheikh Fehmi said segregated worship had been introduced long ago, as a cultural change, not a religious one, and he would argue to end it.

“It is good to hear the complaints of the sisters, and to try to find some solution to their concerns,” he told The Age in an exclusive interview.

“My duty is to propose, to discuss and try to convince. I can’t guarantee the outcome.”  Of course not, sheiky, of course not…

This is the understatement of the year. The sheikh will face entrenched resistance to his radical ideas, not just in Australia, but in the traditional centers of Islamic jurisprudence abroad.
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Sheikh Fehmi said that in the time of the Prophet Mohammed 1400 years ago, women were not segregated.

Regardless of any historical truth about egalitarian customs, what he advocates is simply not done. Not in Islam, anyway. Not even in the 21st century.

His announcement is likely to attract international attention and may spark fierce debate among highly conservative mosque communities within Australia.

In some mosques overseas, there are no physical barriers between men’s and women’s areas but in Australia almost every mosque separates men’s and women’s sections.

Sydney lecturer Jamila Hussain this week told a conference at the National Centre for Excellence in Islamic Studies that women found facilities at some mosques “insulting” and that they were treated as second-class citizens.

But according to the Koran and the hadith, they are second-class citizens. They are required to obey their fathers, their brothers, and their husbands. Their legal testimony carries half the weight of a man’s. 
Not only that: Inheritance law stipulates that the male should have twice the share of the female.” Sura (4:176 
Women are ‘deficient’: Bukhari (48:826)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said, “Yes.” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.”
 Women are “your tilth”:

Sura (2:223) – “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.” Wives are to be sexually available to their husbands in all ways at all times. They serve their husbands at his command. This verse refers to anal sex (see Bukhari 60:51), and was “revealed” when women complained to Muhammad about the practice. The phrase “when and how you will” means that they lost their case.  There’s much more, here


Last night, Ms Hussain welcomed Sheikh Fehmi’s promise to try to end segregation.

“It’s an excellent start. But I’m a bit hesitant about when or whether it will happen – it will be a while.”

She said many men would oppose such a move and, sadly, some women too. Imams didn’t necessarily have much say.

Islamic Council of Victoria vice-president Sherene Hassan said it was a fine initiative, and it was good to see imams being proactive. She said it was in line with true Islamic teaching.

Sheikh Isse Musse, imam of Werribee mosque, agreed that at the start of Islam men and women had prayed together, “but it’s not allowed that a man stands to the right of a woman or to the left of a woman”.

At his mosque, all pray in the same room, with men in rows at the front, then children in rows, then women. But he did not think this was palatable to many Muslims, especially as many new mosques gave better facilities to women in their own areas.


Ms Hussain said this week that provisions for women and children in mosques lagged far behind men’s. In most mosques, men entered the prayer room through large front doors, but women usually had to enter a small door at the rear, often competing with traffic while leading small children.

Their space was always considerably inferior to the men’s, and was sometimes entirely blocked off so that they could not see or hear the service.

Ms Hussain, who studied Sydney mosques, said that in some, women had to pray in the yard under a blazing sun while men enjoyed the cool interior, or to pray in a kitchen between stoves and sinks, or to pray in a tent in full view of a pub over the road.

From an Islamic perspective, this is a subversive discussion. Islamic doctrine cannot withstand egalitarian arguments if they are taken to their logical conclusion.

I’ll be interested to see follow-up reports from Victoria in a year or two.


New Mufti Same As Old Mufti



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Written by Cassandra   
Tuesday, 13 January 2009
HasmatIn the last Saturday before Christmas, Al Age chose the inspiring tale of a high achieving student whose family fled war-torn Afghanistan as its feel-good story.

For the past year, Shaheen Hasmat, 17, has studied so intensely that his eyes have been strained and he wears a stronger pair of glasses.

When he, his mother, and five siblings arrived in Australia as Afghan refugees, they owned only the clothes they were wearing and spoke little English. Five years later, Shaheen is dux of Reservoir District Secondary College, achieving a VCE tertiary entrance ranking of 99.8 — the highest in the school’s history.

Assistant principal Andree Poulter says Shaheen and his family are positive role models at Reservoir College. 
“Shaheen is more than just a scholar, he wants to give back. Physics is something he does for himself, but he wants to do medicine for others.”

Their father, a doctor, disappeared during the conflict. The family does not know his whereabouts.
Shaiqu, who was pregnant, and her five children fled Kabul for the Pakistani border town of Peshawar in 1988.
Home for five years was a mud hut in a refugee camp, where the family lived hand-to-mouth, relying on support from Shaiqu’s Melbourne-based sister, Razia Wahidi.

In 2003, they were granted a humanitarian visa and boarded a rickety plane for Malaysia, and then Australia. 
Even in the unfamiliar winter, Melbourne seemed a serene paradise. They walked the streets in safety.
“I liked going outside, the feeling of being able to go outside and be free. It was beautiful,” says Shaheen.

Shaheen’s devout Muslim faith has been a “backbone” through the past year and the family worships at Preston mosque.
They have urged him to take a gap year before he begins biomedicine, and later postgraduate medicine, at Melbourne University. They want him to relax, restore his health and have some fun. (source)


Fehmi at Preston Mosque
Wonderful to hear of this student’s success.
It makes me proud to hear how Australia welcomed this family, giving them opportunities and freedom. 

Let’s hope this fine young man feels gratitude for the country that gave him and his family so much. 
Andree Poulter says Shaheen wants to give back by doing medicine “for others” – let’s hope this is not confined to discrimination in favour of Muslim others, but that he embraces the whole Australian community.

Sadly, he worships at Sheik Fehmi’s Preston Mosque. Fehmi doesn’t think Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, has praised Hezbollah, and did not distance himself from Melbourne imam Sheik Mohammed Omran. 

In an interview in the Sunday Herald Sun Sheik Fehmi talked of the terrorism trials and the nature of Islam:

While refusing to comment on the trial, he says terrorists should be dealt with under the law. “Extremism has no place in Islam and people who take innocent lives in name of God are outside the fold of Islam…
The extremists are not applying Islam. They call themselves Muslim, but they are not. Unfortunately, Islam is the most misunderstood religion at the moment amongst the people who live in Australia, maybe in the world. But in Australia we are concerned that we live here to show Islam. Islam is tolerant. Islam is friendly. Islam is amicable.” (source)

Fehmi would know that those committing terrorist acts are not extremists, but carrying out the tenets of mainstream Islam, as laid down in the texts and that in Islam an ‘innocent’ person is one who is a Muslim.

Sorry Fehmi, you can’t fool all of us: we don’t misunderstand Islam, but have discovered the horrible truth!

Sadly, many naïve Westerners, not realising the real meaning, would be reassured by his deceptive words. 

Andrew Bolt, pariah of Islamists and their useful idiot supporters, remarked: 

Fehmi  is a moderate with excellent English…But let us be clear what “moderate” means. It’s a purely relative term Sheikh Fehmiwhich still allows Fehmi plenty of opportunity to disappoint us in ways like this: 
Only last week I’d praised Sheik Fehmi as a good man, who’d condemned the London bombings. But a day later he was asked about fellow Melbourne sheik Mohammed Omran, a friend of a suspected al-Qaida boss, who’d claimed September 11 was really the work of a US-based conspiracy. 
“He is entitled to his own thinking,” Fehmi replied meekly. Then, asked if Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida terrorists had committed those attacks, he added: ”We cannot say. We do not know these things.”
And this: 
Sheik Fehmi:“Long live freedom fighters [Hezbollah} But we have to remember that we are still proud of what is taking place in Lebanon. We are proud of the freedom fighters.”  (source)

Reporter Tanya Nolan interviewed Fehmi on ABC’s The World Today in 2005:

NOLAN: Sheikh Fehmi has been telling me he doesn’t know what more Islamic leaders can do to condemn terrorism and he’s worried about how the debate has turned from terrorism to Islam.

FEHMI: Well, of course they were all perturbed and all affected and all hoping and praying that nothing will take place here in Australia, because we don’t want anything to happen here for the sake of the Muslim community, for the sake of the total Australian community, for the sake of everybody.

 NOLAN: But there have been incidents in the past where terrorists have invoked part of the Islamic religion to justify their actions – September 11, the Bali bombings and even the London bombings. 
Do you not think that there are parts of the Islamic religion, extreme parts that maybe need to be looked at more closely?

FEHMI: Well, not the religion itself, but the people who are motivated by their own understanding of the religion…The religion of Islam is not allowing anybody to attack innocent people. 

We know that big building in America, about a few years ago it was attacked by someone from a religion itself and in the beginning they said most likely there is somebody behind it who is a Muslim. 
And why? Because they have somebody, once upon a time had done something wrong so the second time, third time or fourth time the Muslims are doing it. But not necessarily.

 NOLAN: Do you know of any extremist elements within Australia’s Muslim community and are you worried about the potential for terrorism on Australian soil?

FEHMI: Well, I would (inaudible) that there are… I mean, people who are preparing or working or planning for some sort of extremism in Australia. I know some people who are sometimes extremely conservative in their understanding and their practical ways of the religion.

Long Live Hizbollah
Sheik Fehmi:“Long live freedom fighters [Hezbollah] 

 NOLAN: Can you explain what you mean about these people with extremely conservative views of Islam?

FEHMI: … when I say ‘extremist’ I don’t mean definitely they’re going to do something awful, but no, they are conservative in their understanding and maybe they are aloof, by themselves, and they don’t want to mix with others, this is what I refer to.

NOLAN: Sheikh Omran could be considered part of the very conservative view of Islam that you talk about. He says …that we shouldn’t complacently imagine that there aren’t potentially suicide bombers in this country. In your view, are those comments inflammatory or pragmatic?

FEHMI: Actually, Mr Howard said that Muslim leaders should not encourage inflammatory attacks. Well, I don’t know that Muslim leaders nowadays are doing this, but to say that Muslim leaders are encouraging inflammatory attacks, it is a bit much. (source) 

To discover the real Islam, which is substantially different from the sanitised one for general Aussie public consumption, hear it from the horse’s mouth – Islamic Websites. Here’s an extract:

In the current modern age, we find the Muslims in a pit of darkness. The Muslims of today have adopted the ways of the enemy. They forbid the good and enjoin the forbidden. They imitate the disbelievers and choose them as their friends and trustees. They mock believers who oppose the ways of the disbelievers and hypocrites. They help to deviate people from the Path of Allah and His Messenger (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam). They have left Jihad for the pleasures and pursuits of the material world. They have abandoned Shariah and adopted Jahiliyyah. These people have strayed from the Straight Path and they have turned away from al wala wal bara, and as a result, have fallen into the trap of Shaytaan. 
One of the aspects of iman is al wala wal baraloving and hating for the sake of Allah Alone. It is one of the most important beliefs of Islam after Tawheed. Allah says in His Book: 
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless you are guarding yourselves against them as a precaution. Allah bids you to beware of Himself. And to Allah is the journeying. (Surat Ali Imran 3:28) 
The reason why al wala wal bara is so important in Islam is because, if it is taken into practice, it can remove all the characteristics of Jahiliyyah from the Muslim Ummah, it guarantees the preservation of the Ummah, and it distinguishes the believer from the disbeliever. When one loves and hates for Allahs sake only, they are raised degrees higher than those who love, hate, and act based on their own desires or fake gods or for other meaningless things. Allah states in His Speech: 
Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the friends of Shaytaan. Surely, Shaytaans strategy is always weak. (Suratun-Nisaa 4:76) 
This verse is speaking of al wala wal bara. Those who have iman and belief and act upon al wala wal bara fight for Allahs cause and do battle with His enemies to preserve His Deen, while those who disbelieve fight for gods that dont even exist. Allah commands: 
And fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah. (Suratul Baqarah 2:193) 
Only the people who love and hate for the sake of Allah will act upon this command. (source) 

Some Muslim doctors have got themselves a bad reputation of late, with their zeal for Islam taking precedence over their Hippocratic oath. This reflects unfairly on those doctors who happen to be Muslim, but don’t stick literally to their Islamic faith (Bill Warner calls them kuffarised Muslims), and treat all patients with humanity.

Of course not all Muslim doctors are terrorists, but it can’t be denied that some give cause for concern:


British Medical Association watchdogs have admitted to losing contact with 132 medics from Islamic terror hotspots Dr Abdullalike Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia.
The revelation comes days after Scots-based doctor Bilal Abdulla was jailed for a minimum of 32 years for masterminding the attacks at Glasgow Airport and in London in June last year.
One insider said: “Not every doctor who comes into Britain is a fanatic intent on causing terror — but after the Glasgow attack, there should be tighter controls.”
Iraqi Abdulla, 29, worked at the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Paisley while he plotted to cause mass murder at the airport and at the Tiger Tiger club in London. There are 1,199 doctors registered on a database of refugee medics seeking work in the UK, 315 of whom are from Iraq, while 49 come from Afghanistan. Another 111 come from Iran, 47 Somalia and 20 Algeria. The BMA has “lost touch” with 132 of them. A security insider said: “There’s no suggestion ALL these missing guys are terrorists. But we have to think of nightmare scenarios. If the BMA can’t maintain records and have lost contact with potentially risky people, it could have serious repercussions for our nation’s security.”
Terrorism expert Dr David Capitanchik said more care had to be taken in monitoring doctors from countries with a tradition of Islamic extremism.
The BMA denied those classed as ‘missing’ were a risk to security.
A spokesman said: “These are professional individuals. By us losing touch with them, it could mean they are more likely to be settling into British society than planning some kind of atrocity.”  (source)

So heartiest congratulations to Shaheen Hasmat for his richly deserved success.
But take my advice: stay away from mosques, most of which are at least partly financed by extremists from Arabia. Stay away from Islam, whose teachings contradict your sacred duties as a doctor.
Continue to be a credit to your family and a credit to the adopted country, which has given you so much.
Work for the benefit of all humanity, regardless of religion. 
Admittedly, it will mean derogating from your Islamic faith, but here in Australia you have the freedom to choose – humanity or Islam.
Please choose humanity, for all our sakes!

Sheikh Fehmi Naji El-Imam (L) says his predecessor Taj el-Din Al Hilali (R) is a good man.  

Sheikh Fehmi Naji El-Imam (L) says his predecessor Taj el-Din Al Hilali (R) is a good man. (ABC TV)

New mufti defends ‘misunderstood’ Al Hilali

The new Mufti of Australia says his predecessor, Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali is a good man who has been misunderstood by the media.

Sheikh Fehmi Naji El-Imam has taken on the role as the Mufti of Australia after Sheikh Al Hilali decided not to continue on as the top Australian imam yesterday.

Speaking at his Melbourne mosque, Sheikh El-Imam tried to avoid questions about his controversial predecessor, who once compared scantily clad women to pieces of meat.

The new mufti says his predecessor is a good man and has urged the media to be more accepting of people from other cultures.

“As we say there is a freedom of speech in this country – fair enough, let us have freedom of speech,” he said.

He has also blamed the media for labelling Sheikh Al Hilali as controversial and says he wants to see a better relationship with a more accepting media in the future.

He says people should also remember Sheikh Al Hilali for his attempts to free Australian Douglas Wood, who was held captive in Iraq.

Sheikh El-Imam says his predecessor has a good side and has been misunderstood.

“Maybe sometimes you let your tongue go too far, but still maybe you don’t mean to harm others,” he said.


2 thoughts on “Sheik Fehmi's Taqiyya”

  1. Remember the days that in the Catholic churches, women and men were seated on different sides and women had to wear a hat.
    Women were wearing hats those days in all churches.
    They came a long way, but Islam is stuck in the year 600.

  2. OOH! all those men and women in such close proximity it could lead to dancing. But sadly probably more wife bashing.

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