Wikileaks reveals: "Turkey wants to take back Andalusia and avenge the defeat at the siege of Vienna in 1683"

Call me unsurprised:

Diplomatic Cables Reveal US Doubts about Turkey’s Government

Der Spiegel

The leaked diplomatic cables reveal that US diplomats are skeptical about Turkey’s dependability as a partner. The leadership in Ankara is depicted as divided and permeated by Islamists.

US diplomats have grave doubts about Turkey’s dependability. Secret or confidential cables from the US Embassy in Ankara describe Islamist tendencies in the government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The US diplomats’ verdict on the NATO partner with the second biggest army in the alliance is devastating. The Turkish leadership is depicted as divided, and Erdogan’s advisers, as well as Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, are portrayed as having little understanding of politics beyond Ankara.

The Americans are also worried about Davutoglu’s alleged neo-Ottoman visions. A high-ranking government adviser warned in discussions, quoted by the US diplomats, that Davutoglu would use his Islamist influence on Erdogan, describing him as “exceptionally dangerous.” According to the US document, another adviser to the ruling AKP party remarked, probably ironically, that Turkey wanted “to take back Andalusia and avenge the defeat at the siege of Vienna in 1683.”

The US diplomats write that many leading figures in the AKP were members of a Muslim fraternity and that Erdogan had appointed Islamist bankers to influential positions. He gets his information almost exclusively from newspapers with close links to Islamists, they reported. The prime minister, the cables continue, has surrounded himself with an “iron ring of sycophantic (but contemptuous) advisors” and presents himself as the “Tribune of Anatolia.”

14 thoughts on “Wikileaks reveals: "Turkey wants to take back Andalusia and avenge the defeat at the siege of Vienna in 1683"”

  1. * “Turkey wants to take back Andalusia …

    What bunch of islamophobes missed out on the “islam is peace” and “Turkey is a democratic partner of Europe” directives? Sensitivity training needed in the diplomatic corps.

  2. Mullah you forget that Mohammedans consider any land they ever occupy as theirs in perpetuity no its more than that they consider the whole world theirs they just dont occupy it all yet but they are working on it. This is why they build a Triumphalist Mosque on top of Israels Temple then try to pretend the Jewish Temples were never there. This is why the stole the Dome idea from the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul and pretend they have ALWAYS used domes and the Hagia Sophia has always been a Mosque. Lies, Arab supremacism, hypocrisy, distortion, and ignorance are all Islamic attributes and they are just Islams good points.

  3. If, as it seems, we are heading to a general with Islamic countries, then this time round, we should not let the Turks off lightly. We take back Constantinople, Ephesus, Corinth, as these are important sites to us.

    For far too long we have let Muslims keep their spoils of war, while not exacting penalties when the entire Muslims world was helpless at our feet. Defeat in war must have consequences.

    It is not playing according the generally accepted rules of war, that has encouraged Muslims to start up the Jihad, as it is a win-win strategy, with no hard consequences when defeated.

  4. Britain fears violent backlash from muslims … (so a need for more diversity officers & sensitivity training for the intended victims):

    [LONDON: The British government has warned that its citizens in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran and other parts of the Muslim world could be targeted in a violent backlash over “anti-Islamic” views expressed in diplomatic documents being leaked this week, media reports said on Sunday.]

    * The general warning that the British government lacks balls, courage and integrity remains unchanged.

  5. More fears of muslim fury:

    ‘Anti-islamic’ leaks: Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood in call for calm
    Nov 29 2010

    [A CITY MP last night appealed for calm amid rising fears of Muslim fury if sensitive diplomatic documents were leaked online this week.

    The whistle-blower website WikiLeaks is due to release almost 3 million documents on the internet which are believed to express “anti-Islamic” views.]

  6. It is not correct to call it “Islamic Tendency” in Turkey, it is for real.
    I know there are millions who dont go to the mosques because they know this religion is old hat and the quicker they ditch it, they can move on. These are the new educated Turks. The sons and daughters of Attaturk. The army was also “pro progress and joining with the West. But Erdogan has thrown most of its best army commanders into gaol and most Turks love their Army, for the good they have done.

    It may sound strange, but many of my friends in Turkey are saying they are alarmed at the amount of mosques being built. They said it was never like this before. They are not happy.

  7. “most Turks love their Army, for the good they have done.”

    I hope you don’t mean the ‘good they have done’ re the Armenian genocide.

    As for me, I prefer to stay away from Turkish ‘friends’, because I have never met one who was kosher. But that’s just my experience. There might be others…..

  8. Turkey is already gone to hell and everybody in my country knows it. Except for ignorant pigs who only accept bribes and say nothing. Most of that stuff explained at Wikileaks are known by Turkish people. Because of the corrupted, anti-secular, islamist politicans we are going down in a deeper shithole. I won’t be surprised if Erdogan soon brings Sharia Law to Turkey. I just hope to leave Turkey soon. Becoming an atheist is impossible here. You have to hide your religion or you can get killed. Islamic fundamentalism, or “Islamism” will be the end of Republic of Turkey.

    Also don’t hate the whole Turkish people for some asshole politicans or other stuff that are not proven.

  9. just a turkish guy,

    Absolutely! Please rest assured that we do not hate Turkish people.

    Update: in fact, you should know that I personally know many, many decent people who are afraid of the Islamic movement and they hate them just like you. We reject the ideology, the oppression, the madness and the terror that comes with it.

    We oppose Islam in all its forms and we don’t want any of it in our lands. We expect people to become Europeans, Americans or Australians when they settle here.

    We don’t want any Islamic headbangers who want to kill and die for Allah to make us Islamic.

  10. Berlinski: The Turkish ruling party has “opened the Pandora’s box of political Islam”

    In “Weimar Istanbul: Dread and exhilaration in a city on the verge of political catastrophe” in City Journal, Autumn 2010, Claire Berlinski, a resident of Istanbul, assesses the momentous changes taking place in the Turkish political order (thanks to Jihad Watch):

    The City grew rapidly, dwarfing in size and population any other in the country. The streets stimulated like cocaine; horns honked, crowds surged, nerves jangled. To step outside was to be electrified by the harlequinade of roaring colors, bright lights, rushing traffic. Sybaritic nightclubs thrummed until dawn and well thereafter; strange and perverse sights were to be found on every boulevard, in every alley, at every hour, the aesthetic of contradiction between civilization and barbarity heightened by the ersatz baroque of the old architecture and the shocking ugliness of the new. Transvestites prowled, thieves pickpocketed, and in the fashionable cafés, intellectuals smoked furiously and complained of their anomie.
    The Old World had vanished, and with it its agrarian economy, its reassuring class distinctions and social order. An alien and fragile political order had been imposed in its place. Experimental music, art, and cinema flourished; fascinations arose with utopianism, fortune-telling, mysticism, communism.

    But there was at once a paranoid mood, a sense of impending doom. Markers of the City’s great imperial past evoked its former glory while proving its decline. The art of the epoch was fueled by the fear of imminent crisis and breakdown. Decadent American culture was hungrily emulated, passionately deplored. Painters produced works genuinely shocking to the eye; writers wrote novels so offensive to bourgeois sensibilities as to provoke threats of murder. A misogynistic terror of women dominated cultural and political debate: Had modernity destroyed their virtue?

    If the City was now the undisputed capital of the region’s commerce and industry, all remembered the horror of hyperinflation, which had obliterated the fruit of lifetimes of hard work, and all remembered with contempt the feuding coalition governments whose incompetent stewardship had brought the nation to ruin. The economy’s recent growth was vertiginous but precarious, funded by overseas loans that massively increased the nation’s debt. Unemployment rose and rose. A poorly understood global economic crisis fueled dark conspiracy theories. Daily political violence lent to life a pervasive feeling of menace. The newspapers overflowed with right-wing propaganda. Screaming headlines reported violent clashes in the streets. Intellectuals were assassinated.

    The constitution was new and weak, lacking legitimacy and vulnerable to subversion. Many in the City believed that foreign powers were conspiring to weaken and humiliate the nation. Most were cynical about democratic experiments; all were revolted by the selfishness and corruption of their political parties. The cravenness of the industrialists and the business class provoked widespread disgust with capitalism itself. Many yearned for, many openly demanded, a more authoritarian government. Europe, America, and particularly the Jews–those sinister, infinitely powerful magicians–were blamed for the City’s discontents.

    A shouting demagogue, having once been arrested for his extremist views, now focused on legal methods of attaining power. He would restore the nation to its former glory, he promised. Intellectuals thought him a ruffian and a buffoon.

    The City was proud: it was the new vanguard, the greatest metropolis in the world! It was ashamed: look at what had been lost, how ugly it had become! The City “delighted most, terrified some, but left no one indifferent, and it induced, by its vitality, a certain inclination to exaggerate what one saw.” So Peter Gay described Weimar Berlin.

    But his descriptions, as do all of these, might have been written about the Istanbul in which I live. There is a spookiness to living in a city at the epicenter of an impending political catastrophe, a mood of dread but also of astonishing vitality–economic, creative, artistic. It is a distinctive mood and, to anyone acquainted with history, a familiar mood.

    There is, it seems, such a phenomenon as a Weimar City.

    What is a Weimar City? It is a city rich in history and culture, animated by political precariousness and by a recent rupture with the past, vivified by a shocking conflict with mass urbanization and industrialization; a city where sudden liberalization has unleashed the social and political imagination–but where the threat of authoritarian reaction is always in the air.

    Weimar Cities are not freaks of nature. They may be expected to arise under certain social, political, and historical circumstances. World War I destroyed both Imperial Germany and the Ottoman Empire. The remnants of both entities succeeded in imposing alien new social orders on themselves, fragile experiments in democracy. The Turkish Republic has lasted far longer than the Weimar Republic, but the stories do not differ in the fundamentals; they have merely been telescoped or expanded by contingent events.

    With the rise to power in 2002 of the Justice and Development Party, or AKP, the Turkish Republic has experienced a fresh convulsion. The AKP opened the Pandora’s box of political Islam. It has presented its reforms as an exercise in liberalization. In a sense, this is true: religion as a political force had, since the founding of the Republic, been repressed. In another sense, it is not true at all: this particular political force is one that, by its nature, tends ultimately to erase liberal reforms. “Democracy is like a streetcar,” Recep Tayyip Erdoǧan, now prime minister, said infamously in 1995. “When you come to your stop, you get off.”

    Turkey is now in the throes of two revolutions. The social transformations over which Mustafa Kemal Atatürk presided have not yet been assimilated; simultaneously, something new–and old–has rushed up to challenge them. The ancient order is thus disappearing doubly. Cultures, it would seem, react in particular ways to the disappearance of ancient orders. The febrile characteristics of Weimar Cities appear at just such times–the in-between times. As fever is a sign of disease, so it is a sign of social dislocation….

    Read it all.

  11. you are ignorant bunch of facsists who are not any different than erdogan and his islamists. you are looking into mirror and telling what you saw in your image.

  12. The Galatians(Gospel to the Galatians),a Celt tribe,conquered much of Turkey thousands of years ago.Long befor the Turks migrated from Central Asia.Long before the Prophet developed brain tumor(s), seizures, auditory hallucinations.The Celts were a warlike people. People with Celt,or part Celt, ancestry include Braveheart, Boudica, Brian Boru,George Washington,and numerous others,famous and not so famous.Should they start mixing woad(blue body paint)smear it on their bodies,and assert the Celts’ claim to Asia Minor,which predates the Ottomans,or the Seljuks,by more than a thousand years?

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