Shrillary doesn't have policies, she's got Huma….

…and Huma’s Muslim sisterhood calls the shots:
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Rand Paul:
“Think what would have happened had we seriously degraded Assad to the point where he was overrun, think who would be in charge of Syria right now?” Paul asked before answering his own rhetorical question: ”ISIS.”
In conclusion, Paul said:  we are very lucky that the American people are much wiser than Hillary Clinton, and much wiser than the president. We got the president and Hillary Clinton to slow down, but Hillary Clinton was widely reported to be the chief person proposing that we get involved in Syria. But really the only person directly involved in bombing ISIS’s bases right now is the Syrian government—so for all their wrongs, we’re actually quite lucky we didn’t have regime change, because I think it is a very realistic prediction that, had we had that happen, that ISIS would be in charge of Syria. Really, Syria, with Assad and all this war, is somewhat of a counter to the power of ISIS.

….the leader of UKIP was mobbed by admirers, including one taxi driver who Breitbart London caught on camera.

“Your policies are our policies,” he told Farage, talking about the feelings that the average working man, which London cabbies are well known to represent, have towards the UK Independence Party.

Hollande rules out working with Syria president against Islamic State, as group is accused of executing Syrian soldiers.
Still not sure what expects them when they arrive in Muhammad’s bordello…..
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A dollar for a bullet to put this dog out of his misery:
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The Obama Regime Watergates Every Day:

As if the Islam they got wasn’t bad enough already:

More Islam for Pakistan

Pakistan set for ‘decisive’ day of protests

Cleric Tahir ul-Qadri declares “deciding day” in bid to topple prime minister as tens of thousands gather in Islamabad.

Cleric Tahir ul-Qadri is the lying dog who imposed the blasphemy laws on the nations remaining non Muslims….

201482883348564580_20Tens of thousands of protesters are preparing to convene in the Pakistani capital Islamabad, in the “deciding day” of a bid to bring down Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, after discussions between opposition groups and the government ended without agreement.

Anti-government cleric Tahir ul-Qadri, who has a huge following and runs a network of Islamic schools and hospitals, told his supporters on Thursday he had “shut the door” on further talks and urged them to prepare for a decisive day in their campaign against Sharif.

“Thursday will be Revolution Day,” he told a roaring crowd. “We will not go forward from tomorrow as it will be the deciding day.”

British dimwits are abandoning their children for fear of being called "racist"

Too scared to seem racist, too scared to save children

Andrew Bolt

FEAR of seeming racist is now almost as dangerous as racism itself, as a report into child trafficking in a British town showed this week.

But even more shameful is the cowardice of authorities, too scared of seeming “racist” to admit predominantly Pakistani gangs were responsible: “By far the majority of perpetrators were described as ‘Asian’ by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage … with the Pakistani-heritage community.

(Read full article here.)

Lawyer for 15 girls abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 say officials missed opportunities to prevent crimes.

Obfuscation Via Euphemism:

Report Blasts Gangs of “Asian Men” Responsible for Horrific Sex Crimes in U.K. Town

Asians“? Oh, you mean blokes from China, Japan and/or Korea? (Scaramouche)

How can they hope to confront the exploitation if they’re still hiding behind the “Asian men” euphemism?

Obviously, they can’t. And the effort to disguise the provenance of these “Asians” is so revolting that a local Muslim can’t help but condemn it:

Professor Alexis Jay’s report, commissioned by Rotherham Borough Council, said:

“Several councillors interviewed believed that by opening up these issues they could be ‘giving oxygen’ to racist perspectives that might in turn attract extremist political groups and threaten community cohesion.”

This has left the leader of a Muslim organisation in Rotherham furious.

“In the name of what community cohesion and political correctness? Not in the name of my community,” said Muhbeen Hussain, founder of British Muslim Youth.

“I’m truly disgusted to see such a report in my home town of Rotherham.

The fact these guys were predominantly Pakistani heritage men should not be a reason for providing a cloak of invisibility.”

Asia is a huge continent, and euphemizing “Pakistani” as “Asian” can cover a multitude of sins. There is no way, however, that the craven Rotherhamers would ever deploy the “A” word had these gangs been comprised of sexual predators whose last names were/are Lee and Kim.

UK’s Anjem Choudary Justifies Beheading of James Foley

Speaking to the Clarion Project, the Islamist cleric denied reports linking him to the British rapper identified as the beheader.

British cleric Anjem Choudary told the Clarion Project that reports linking him to Abdel Majed Abdel Bary, the British rapper identifiedas the Islamic State terrorist who beheaded American journalist James Foley, are false. However, he did endorse the atrocity and thecaliphate declared by IS.

Continue reading British dimwits are abandoning their children for fear of being called "racist"

The real Islam: what more can we do to get the message out?

“Malicious Journalism”

Would it surprise you?

This is Islam:

 Islamic State militants savages parading around 250 captured soldiers through the desert in their underwear before they are killed and their bodies piled on the bare earth.

14075173811961_700Here is a must-read piece from Satya D, a prominent Hindu thinker and activist: From the advent of Islam, it is the brutality that was used to conquer. Will Durant and other authors have translated Arabs own memoirs on how the Islamic invaders have destroyed cultures and swathes of land with utmost brutality and inhumanity […]READ MORE
Spain Friday sermon: “Oh Allah, destroy the plundering Jews…do not spare a single one”Spain Friday sermon: “Oh Allah, destroy the plundering Jews…do not spare a single one”

In Italy, an imam who prayed the same thing was expelled from the country. If Spanish authorities have any residual sense of honor or justice, they will likewise expel Sheik Saleheoldine El Moussaoui from the country. In the meantime, this increasingly open, virulent and violent Jew-hatred remains unnoticed by the international “human rights” organizations. They […] /Comments/ Continue Reading »

Tennessee imam who called Jews and Christians “filthy” uses ban on Foley vid to argue for blasphemy lawsTennessee imam who called Jews and Christians “filthy” uses ban on Foley vid to argue for blasphemy laws

Yasir Qadhi is an imam in Memphis, Tennessee. He is also Dean of Academic Affairs at the Al-Maghrib Institute. He is a hafiz — that is, he has memorized the entire Qur’an. He has an M.A. in the Islamic Creed and a B.A. in Islamic Sciences from Islamic University of Medina, as well as a […] / Comments, Continue Reading »

Muslim groups demand mandatory retraining of all federal, state, local law enforcement officials who may have learned truth about jihadMuslim groups demand mandatory retraining of all federal, state, local law enforcement officials who may have learned truth about jihad

They got the FBI and other federal agencies in 2011 to remove all mention of Islam and jihad in connection with terrorism from counter-terror training materials, and to fire counter-terror trainers (including me) who spoke the truth about how Islamic jihadists used the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and make recruits. Now, […] /Comments/Continue Reading »

Next Stop After Baghdad

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It’s not as if we weren’t warned. The Islamic State’s proclaimed Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi told American guards, “I’ll see you guys in New York,” when he was released in 2009.  Since the Bush policy of fighting Muslims on their own ground has been rejected, we will have to fight them on ours. (Moonbattery)

From the Religion of Peace:

10 Acts of Jihad in America That Flew Under the Radar  (PJ Media)

Stand-off at Walmart. . . arson at a gay nightclub. . .? Here are ten sensational incidents that most Americans never heard of.

Inside the Muslim Rape Gangs  (FrontPage Magazine)

(Video) An interview with Gavin Boby.

Raping Nuns  (Raymond Ibrahim)

A religion of peace or a religion without shame?

The Rotherham Rapes’ Muslim Connection  (NRO)

It is obvious that the police in the UK put far greater emphasis on maintaining the image of successful diversity than on protecting children.

Child Beggars Easy Pickings for Boko Haram  (LA Times)

An interesting side-effect of cheap Chinese goods in Africa is the availability of children for pro-Sharia terrorists.

ISIS: Nothing to Do with Islam?  (Robert Spencer)

Westerners may enjoy being told that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam, but that certainly doesn’t mean that it isn’t

We must discriminate against the symbols of hate and oppression. (TT)

Sure we must. The Mohammedan shrouds and the freedom sack  are the most oppressive symbols the world has ever known.

Discriminating against intolerant symbols is a must.

Australia: How The Hell Did We Let This Happen?

Australia! Land of the free. Land of opportunity. Land of milk and honey. Ask any hardworking Greek or Italian immigrant and they will tell you it is true. It’s a place where the opportunity is given to live a good life. A peaceful life. Australia – the country that opened its arms to the downtrodden peoples of war ravaged Europe. Australia – the land that opened its arms to the Vietnamese. But then, we went too far with our ope…See More

"Bad judgment was supplemented by bad faith….”

Pallywood comes to Australia

THE activist group Australians for Palestine useful idiots has prompted outrage by misrepresenting an image of children killed in Syria as young victims of the conflict in Gaza in an email to MPs that attacked Israel’s operations.

These people are morons for Tutu…..

tutuOur religious and political leaders stand shoulder to shoulder with the Islamic community headchoppers who complain and whine that they are being targeted, when in fact the opposite is true. Its’s not the Muslim community under threat….

THE growth of anti-Semitism in our universities is deeply worrying.
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In the past month students at at least six universities have reported anti-Semitic bullying. Outside campuses we are seeing growing anti-Semitic behaviour. – Unis hit by anti-Semitism
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More about the rising tide of hatred against the Jews.

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  • Hamas savagery comes to the U.S.: “He identified himself as ‘Mohammed…JIHAD WATCH
Palli Dogmeat Hannan Ashrawi: whom does she lead and who follows her?

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“Obama’s adoption of the discourse of extremist Zionist ideology… is dangerous.”– Pal’ leader’ Hanan Ashrawi is attacking a recent statement by US President Barack Obama to the New York Times as “dangerous” because in it  According to Ashrawi, “speaking about the Jews’ return to their land” is “extremist Zionist ideology.”

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U.N. delivers tough words, little action on ISIS

Useless looters and moochers….

U.N. delivers tough words, little action on ISIS–A Free Press For A Free People Since 1997

BREAKING: Over 40 Filipino forces reportedly taken captive by Islamic Syrian headchoppers…

Crack me up: ‘Al Arabiya’ claims Syed Soharwardy is “known for his pacifist sermons”

The SOB is a hardcore headbanger of the worst kind:

4a1f8f54-9ed4-4be7-aa4b-84e9fad55c53_16x9_600x338A Canadian imam known for his pacifist sermons warned Friday that Islamist militant group ISIS was actively recruiting in Canada and said one member issued him a death threat. Syed Soharwardy, founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada (ISCC), called on Canadian and Western authorities to intensify the fight against Islamist militant movements…..

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Liberman: Take Away Their Guns — Then We’ll Talk….

For the end of the decades-long conflict between Israel and the Palestinians to be achieved, those who strenuously, violently fight against any form of peace must not be allowed the means to do so. In our conflict, Hamas, which has neither interest in nor intent toward peace, has to be diminished. The terrorist group is a malevolent force. It continually hijacks any possibility of a better future for the peoples of the region. It must not be allowed to maintain its stockpiles of weapons.–Avigdor Liberman: Take Away Their Guns — Then We’ll Talk

O.J.’s glove: If the narrative don’t fit, you must acquit….

Andrew Bolt:

Or maybe he just wanted stimulating reading for the flight

No, nothing to worry about at all:

A SUSPECTED Australian terrorist was dragged from a plane at Melbourne Airport by Border Force officials after allegedly trying to fly to Syria to join a jihadi group…

The Melbourne man, who is an Australian citizen, was flying to Beirut in Lebanon with three family members when he was detained aboard a flight on a Middle Eastern airline on Monday.

He was searched by Australian Federal Police officers, who discovered he was carrying around $30,000 in Australian currency.

He was also allegedly in possession of terror-related images including photographs of beheadings, and images of the flag flown by the murderous terror group ISIL, which is rampaging across Syria and Iraq.

The man must be presumed innocent. After all, he could have been so horrified by the images that he was flying over on a peace mission.

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Why are we stopping them? Let them go never to return.

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AT least five suspected jihadist recruits have been detained at Australian airports and prevented from travelling overseas in recent months, amid suspicion that they intended to travel to fight in Syria and Iraq.
“Backlash” Fears:

We are so often told to be wary of the backlash that we perhaps don’t pay enough attention to what some might (unfortunately) lash back over. From the US:

For two bloody months, an armed jihadist serial killer ran loose across the country.

At least four innocent men died this spring and summer as acts of “vengeance” on behalf of aggrieved Muslims, the self-confessed murderer has proclaimed. Heard about this horror? Probably not.

The usual suspects who decry hate crimes and gun violence haven’t uttered a peep. Why? Like O.J.’s glove: If the narrative don’t fit, you must acquit.

(Via Tim Blair, who has more.)

We don’t need their BS taqiyya. Enough is enough.

If you ask me, I will tell you that we should never ask “Muslim leaders” to condemn anything. Knowing what we know, they are a mortal danger to all of us. They should be rounded up and shipped out. That would be the humane way of reversing this awful invasion. The alternative will be too horrible to contemplate. At this point, our humanity prevents us from doing what they would do to us if they had the upper hand.

The real reason we keep asking Muslim leaders to condemn terrorism

Julie Szego in The Age:

What I can understand is Muslim leaders’ frustration in having to constantly condemn – and thus, by implication, own – the barbaric atrocities of their communities’ fringe dwellers. The obsessive demand for Muslim leaders to “condemn terrorism” borders on bullying.

Many Muslim leaders make the same complaint, not understanding that simply in doing so they fail in an important duty.

When Australians demand such “leaders” condemn jihadist atrocities they aren’t wanting them to “own” the horrors. They aren’t even wanting only that these leaders use their great influence to try to stop jihadism.

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Easy Meat and Islam….

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Daniel Greenfield’s blog at The Point deals with this shameful, outrageous and terrifying story: “UK Police Arrested Parents Trying to Stop Muslims from Raping their Children.”
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When Muslims now ostentatiously deplore what the Rotherham Report revealed, and claim at the same time that this has “nothing to do with Islam” you can ignore the absurdity of the latter remark and be suspicious of the former one, in which they attempt to ensure that ignorance of Islam, confusion about Islam, fear of saying something untoward or impolite about Islam, continues, and these assertions are part of the Jihad of “pen, tongue” that is at least as dangerous as the Jihad of terrorism or qital (combat).

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I am not interested in Muslims benefitting, are you?

Malta

Muselmaniacs are here (So let’s try to alloy iron with clay and emulate the failures of the rest of Europe?)

….we in Malta are not working hard enough to learn the lessons from other European countries on how to go about successful co-existence with the Muslim community in Malta. …More alloying at Times of Malta thanks to Mullah, pbuh. (the Maltese should know better and if they ignore the lessons of history, they deserve to be punished most severely…)

Mehdi Hasan can get stuffed. Why waste your time on this Islamic waste product?

In Search of Real Islam ~ the UK’s Mehdi Hassan Unmasked

images (17)When I was on The Last Stand Radio Show the other night, I had said one of the things we as non-Muslims needed to do is become more assertive and challenge Muslim propagandists head-on. We just cannot allow their deception to go unchallenged. Today we see another example of this from our mate and guest blogger, The London Humanist. (www. LondonHumanist.com)

Ouch! British Top Cop Steps Out of Line….

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Will the British authorities expel this top police officer? They banned Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller for saying such things, did they not? But …..
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Australia: Muslim leaders’ radical unity – against Tony Abbott 
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Andrew Bolt, writing in the Herald Sun of Melbourne, realising that there is no real distinction betoween ‘Islamists’ and ‘moderate Muslims’. There is only Islam.

AS news broke of the beheading of US journalist James Foley, 80 of Australia’s Muslim representatives issued a statement denouncing the extremism of … Tony Abbott. Last week’s statement is the most frightening yet from our Muslim “leaders”.

It attacks the Prime Minister for proposing anti-terrorism laws it falsely claims “specifically target Muslims”. It ludicrously claims the threat from Muslim jihadists returning from Iraq or Syria is “trumped up” and then savages the true villains — the West and the Jews.

The message is clear. There can be no co-operation on laws to save Australians from being blown up unless Australia abandons Israel and stops fighting jihadists abroad.

Continue reading Ouch! British Top Cop Steps Out of Line….

Hannity vs Andy Choudary: “are you deaf, dumb and ignorant?”

Here’s the video, article below the fold:

UK Police Arrested Parents Trying to Stop Muslims from Raping their Children | FrontPage Magazine

by Daniel Greenfield

We’re still only seeing the tip of the iceberg in the horrifying crimes committed by Muslim settlers against the children of the UK. …

From the Q-Society:

“I can’t vouch for the authorship of this remarkable online document, apparently produced by members of the public, but it discusses in impressive detail some of these issues – and documents a decade of cover-up and cowardice by the media, politicians and law enforcement. It shows that what has been happening on our streets is better understood by ordinary members of the public than by the people who run their cities.”

The remarkable online document is Gavin Boby’s report int… See More

Muslim Gang Rapists are Springing Up Everywhere. Why Can’t We Be Honest About It? The notorious Sydney gang rapes in 2000 were committed by Lebanese… BREITBART.COM
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Think Mooch Obama will do a hashtag appeal for muslims to stop raping British children? (Vlad)
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PuffHo Fantasy Productions: Muslims Stand Against ISIS, Too

Notwithstanding their differences, Muslims of all stripes — Sunni, Shii, Ismaili, Ahmadi, LGBTQ — must unite to amplify their efforts to isolate groups like ISIS and not allow Islamophobia to dishearten them. …

More on the followers of the false prophet and their collective fear of fear of islam at HuffPost–Junaid Jahangir
Canada West Coordinator – Universalist Muslims (Mullah, pbuh)

Sean Hannity Explodes on Imam: ‘Every Radical Islamist Like You Will Be Wiped Off the Face of the Earth’

“Do you support ISIS demanding that Christians, the Yazidis, ‘convert to Islam or die?’ Do you support that?”

Fox News host Sean Hannity got into an explosive debate with Imam Anjem Choudary on Wednesday as the two clashed over the dangers of radical Islam around the world.

Continue reading Hannity vs Andy Choudary: “are you deaf, dumb and ignorant?”

O.J. Simpson finds… Islam

You knew this was inevitable. Allah is most forgiving and merciful.

O.J. Simpson finds… Islam

The National ENQUIRER reports that Simpson, 67, became interested in the religion through fellow inmates and was even put in touch with former pro boxer Mike Tyson, who is devout Muslim.

(US) For years now the faithful tell me that Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world, however, that is by dint of birth rates. When we see how the population of each and every Islamic country around the world has virtually doubled in the past 30 years it isn’t hard to see that fact.
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However, there is an actual growth industry of people turning to Islam, and that is inside prisons. For some strange reason, prisoners are flocking to the prison mosque in which to find… Allah. Peace or simply finding a faith which legalizes their blood lust and criminal ways.

Whatever the reason, it appears that another famous prison lag has found Islam… O.J. Simpson, imprisoned in Nevada since 2008 on charges of kidnapping and armed robbery.

Now remind me again what he was infamous for?
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Video: Pali Children in Gaza Cheer for Rockets to Hit America

Bv-x7grIMAAgqXP.jpg-large(CNSNews) The terrorist group Hamas fired at least 117 rockets into Israel Sunday, CNN reported, as violence there escalated again. But major U.S. media have censored Palestinian’s anti-American reaction to this ongoing attack on an ally. In one Al Jazeera America video, children cheered on the rockets, wishing they would land in the United States.

This is just a tiny example of the impact and consequences of Islamic immigration to western countries:

Who needs a job when you got allah and UNRWA already?
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 BDS Victory Over SodaStream Equals 900 Palestinians Out of Work

Unfortunately for […] 900 Palestinian SodaStream employees, it seems the BDS supporters are more concerned with boycotting Israeli businesses who ‘occupy’ Palestinian settlements than helping the actual Palestinian people themselves.

The Muslim Conquest of EUrabia

Ships that should never set sail

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Once in the offing, it’s too late.

93,000 migrants — Muslim and African — have made it to Italy this year alone. They are a gigantic expense, a headache, and worse. They cannot be “integrated” in any sense that matters, if Italy is to be Italy, if Europe is to be Europe. They must be sent back. And sent back noisily, so that everyone else hears about it, instead of hearing how it is “possible” to get to Europe, if you try hard enough.

And let the dangers also be well-publicised.   As here. (Hugh Fitzgerald)

400px-LamericaNearly 2,000 people fleeing Africa and the Middle East have drowned in the Mediterranean this year, most of them in the past three months as they tried to reach Europe from Libya, the United Nations refugee agency said on Tuesday.

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Al-Andaluz is high on the To-Do List of Muslim Lands To Recover. Javier Bardem and other ill-informed denouncers of Israel’s self-defense in Gaza appear not to know anything about the without-end Jihad against Israel, but one might have thought that they might have been hesitant, that they knew about the Muslim attitude not just toward the Infidel nation-state of Israel “on Muslim land” but toward all non-Muslims, and taken note of the desire to undo the Reconquista, and to re-reconquer, mainly through demography, Al-Andaluz. Here.

How strange in Spain that this has not been plain.

The Netherlands to Abandon Multiculturalism 
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Soeren Kern writes at Gatestone Institute:

The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands.

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Foreign Muslim clerics who preach hatred in Dutch mosques and who glorify terrorism face deportation, social affairs minister Lodewijk Asscher says in Monday’s Telegraaf. Imams with Dutch nationality will also be stopped from preaching, Asscher told the paper. From Expatica

They been talking about this for a long time, and talk is cheap. It may not be too late, but we are running out of time. This needs to be done, yesterday.

Sexual Attraction For Headchoppers?

They did nothing about the “Trojan Horse” plot to Islamise the schools either:

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And that is just in Rotherham, one small part of England. What’s happened in Leeds? In Bradford? In Manchester? In Greater London? How many officials have been afraid to be accused of “racism”? And how many people will read the full report, and grasp how Muslims are taught to regard non-Muslims? Here.

From the eye on the world:

“Well, I am an Asian, I am not Pakistani, I am not a Muslim and I am not a Rapist.”

1,400 girls from one town, we’ve had Islamic rape gangs convicted in Derby, Rochdale, Oxford, Telford, Blackpool,Blackburn, Burnley, Newcastle, and I haven’t even bothered with Bradford, Sheffield, London, Birmingham. The one common thread with all these ugly stories is… Islam. Instead of looking into why Muslims feel a need to groom and rape little white girls, the powers that be differ. Just what is it about Islam that sanctions sex with little girls?

Here read the report into the above.

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In, for example, the story here.

And any group who raised the matter was shouted down as racist.

More than 1,400 children abused in Rotherham sex abuse scandal ~ but No measures over abuse inaction

Two sides of the same coin:

Hamas Challenges PA with ‘Victory’ Rally in Bethlehem

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Most Italian jihadis with Isis aren’t immigrants

From the Italian edition of The Local

Around 50 Italians have been recruited by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (Isis), the majority from non-immigrant families, Italian media reported. The majority of the young “foreign fighters” were converted to Isis’ extreme ideology online and subsequently travelled to Syria and Iraq, Corriere della Sera said.

How China Dispatches Muslim Terrorists 
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No trials lasting years, with voir dire, and court-appointed this and that, and endless motions for dismissal, and then appeals, and so on.  Here.