What’s Turkey good for? Turkish army chief says U.S. ties at risk

Turkey is not an ‘ally’- just like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia can never be ‘allies’-, not in the absurdly named ‘WoT’ and not in any other way.

Fitzgerald: Note to the Turkish government

1) The Cold War, or at least the First Cold War, is over. It is no longer 1950, or 1960. There is no longer a need for Turkey’s help in confronting Russia, which, while it has reverted to unpleasantness and despotism, is not the menace it once was. And Turkey is not quite so important a place for listening-posts and other bases.



Lying scoundrels warn U.S. that they won’t be our friends if we won’t lie too

* We dhimmis are expected to lie about so much: Islam as a religion of peace, Muslim Spain as a proto-multicultural paradise of tolerance, the Turks as guiltless of genocide. Wouldn’t it be refreshing if we started telling the truth about history as well as present-day realities, and let the devil take the hindmost?

By Paul de Bendern/Reuters

Turkey’s powerful military chief said on Sunday if the U.S. Congress approved a resolution branding the 1915 killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks genocide ties between the NATO allies would never be the same again.


* Links: “Stop Debating Armenian Genocide or Israel/Jews Will Get Hurt” sez Turkish Envoy


* The Armenian Genocide is an established fact. Turkey steadfastly lies and denies everything about it, in the typical Muhammedan fashion.

* The free world has moral and strategic purposes in denouncing the massacre of 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 as a horrendous genocide perpetrated by Turks.

Acknowledging The Armenian Genocide


Back to the article above:
Ankara is a crucial ally for Washington which relies on Turkey as a logistical base for the war in Iraq.

* No its not.

Some analysts believe the vote could weaken Washington’s influence over Turkey and increase the likelihood of a Turkish incursion into northern Iraq to crush Kurdish separatist rebels who use the territory to stage attacks into Turkey.

* Turkey has been planning this for a long time, regardless of US concerns…

“If the resolution that has passed in the U.S. committee is accepted by the assembly of the House of Representatives our military relations with the United States can never be the same again,” chief of General Staff, General Yasar Buyukanit, told newspaper Milliyet.

* Face up to the Armenian Genocide and stop prevaricating!

The top Democrat in the House of Representatives said on Sunday she intended to press ahead with the resolution, despite White House concerns it would damage relations with Turkey.

“I said if it passed the committee that we would bring it to the floor,” House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in an interview on ABC television’s “This Week.”

The Turkish government is to seek approval from parliament this week for a major operation against separatist Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militants based in the Iraqi mountains.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Saturday she had urged the Turkish government to refrain from any major military operation in northern Iraq. U.S. officials fear such a move could destabilize a relatively peaceful area of Iraq.

Turkish artillery fired seven to eight shells into a village in northern Iraq late on Saturday, witnesses said, the latest bout of shelling of the mountainous border area where separatist guerrillas are believed to hide out.


Ankara recalled its ambassador from the United States for consultations after the U.S. congressional committee vote, which was condemned in predominantly Muslim but secular Turkey.

* Turkey is 99% Muslim, that is not ‘predominantly’- 99% means entirely, and Islam is on the march.

The House of Representatives is due to vote on the symbolic measure, sponsored by a California lawmaker whose district has a large Armenian-American constituency, by mid-November.

Republicans on Sunday called on Pelosi to block the measure.

U.S. President George W. Bush voiced his concerns last week, saying: “This resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings, and its passage would do great harm to our relations with a key ally in NATO and in the global war on terror.”

* Really? It might just help the Turks to show their true colors. It might help to cure some delusions in the Bush government.


Turkey’s new President Abdullah Gul (L) with Turkish Chief of Staff General Yasar Buyukanit. Buyukanit said on Sunday that if the U.S. Congress approved a bill branding the killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks genocide ties between the NATO allies would never be the same again. (Fatih Saribas/Reuters)

* The use of the base was already denied during the Iraq war. And what are joint military exercises with an Islamic nation good for?

“I’m the chief of General Staff. I deal with security issues, I’m not a politician … in this respect the United States has shot itself in the foot,” Buyukanit said.

Turkey rejects the Armenian position, backed by many Western historians and some foreign parliaments, that up to 1.5 million Armenians suffered genocide at the hands of Ottoman Turks.

Turkey says many Muslim Turks died alongside Christian Armenians in inter-ethnic conflict in World War One.

Patriarch Mesrob II, the Istanbul-based spiritual leader of Turkey’s Armenians, was quoted by state-run Anatolian news agency as saying his community opposed the U.S. bill. He has long called for dialogue to deal with past injustices.

* The patriarch is a good dhimmi. He doesn’t dare to rock the boat.

Two senior U.S. officials visited Ankara on Saturday for talks with Turkish officials to try to ease tensions.


Fitzgerald: Relying on Muslim states

Over more than fifty years the American military has poured money and weapons into various Muslim states, and built expensive bases in Muslim states, assuming that certain alliances would last.

* There is no Muslim state that can be relied on. That is the lesson.

Read it all


WaPo shills for Turkey

Armenian crime amnesia?

* Bruce Fein is a resident scholar with the Turkish Coalition of America.

Turkish propaganda goes into overdrive:

From the ‘cooking-history-in-the-Islamic-way’ department’

Armenian crimes against humanity and war crimes against the Ottoman Turkish and Kurdish populations of eastern and southern Anatolia during World War I and its aftermath have been forgotten amidst congressional preoccupation with placating the vocal and richly financed Armenian lobby.



The Hellenic Genocide

“The Armenians are not the only subject people in Turkey which have suffered from this policy of making Turkey exclusively the country of the Turks. The story which I have told about the Armenians I could also tell with certain modifications about the Greeks and the Syrians. Indeed the Greeks were the first victims of this nationalizing idea.”

Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story
Henry Morgenthau – 1918



The Greeks in Turkey were also the victims of genocide, particularly by the Nationalist regime from 1918 to 1923. Here is a photo of a column of Greeks being marched to their death.

* Link


The Price Of Dhimmitude 

An excellent contribution from Shiva’s Illustrated PIG 


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8 thoughts on “What’s Turkey good for? Turkish army chief says U.S. ties at risk”

  1. Thats a good one….. “rewrite history, or I’m gonna take my bat and my ball and go home…!!”.

    Go on US of A, show some guts and ignore Turkey.

  2. You are as incorrect as you are inarticulate. If you think there was a genocide, prove it. You might have some trouble with that as all the ottoman archives are open for public view but the Armenian archives are closed – who has something to hide and who doesnt? With regard to your disregard of the Turkish Army…well you can wait and see but Turkey has the strongest NATO army second only to the US and we train our armed forces in the same region these disgusting terrorists are based in. Wanna play, ok no problem

  3. Foreign entanglements are bringing down the United States. Long ago, George Washington warned our nation about the danger of foreign entanglements.

    Turkey is attempting to control U.S. policy and ideology.

  4. Reply to Rebecca:






    Rebecca- Turkey claims this was not genocide? It looks / acts / sounds like genocide. Civilians were targeted; hundreds of thousands (probably over a million) died.

    Also see
    which states
    “…there seems to be a consensus among Western scholars with the exception of few dissident and Turkish national historians, …covering all the period between 1914 to 1923, over a million Armenian might have perished, and the tendency seem recently to be, either presenting 1.2 million as figure or even 1.5 million, while more moderately, “over a million” is presented, as the Turkish historian Fikret Adanir provides as estimation, but excludes what followed 1917.”

    What’s the big deal about calling it genocide? It was carried out as the Ottoman Empire was declining. Modern-day Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire. Why can’t Turkey just say: “That was then, this is now.” ?

  5. I can’t figure out why Turkey feels so highly of itself that accepting
    an old injustice would degrade itself somehow.
    Turkish nation is not a great race as the Germans who despite committing atrocities
    against the Jews, not only admitted it’s past mistakes but they have instituted strict laws
    for ensuring another holocaust doesn’t take place on it’s soils.
    All this talk about did the Armenian Genocide really took place makes me wonder about how
    low the Turkish state can go.
    I’m an Armenian who was born in Turkey. Several of my innocent ancestors were ruthlessly killed by the direct orders of the state during the Genocide. My grandparents survived the genocide because of the good graces of some benevolent Kurdish families hiding them in the countryside.
    Turkish state can be a man about what happened in the past, admit the wrongdoing, so we
    can all start looking forward.

  6. First of all, people supporting the Armenian allegations of genocide have to read the book of The Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni. It was translated from the original by Matthew A. Callender and edited by John Roy Carlson (a.k.a. Arthur A. Derounian). It was published by the Armenian Information Service in 1955.

    I’m sure that many of those militant supporters of this allegation out there do not even know who Hovhannes Katchaznouni is. For those lacking this information, he was the First Prime Minister of the Independent Armenian Republic founded in July 1918.

    He presented his manifesto to Convention of foreign branches of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation convened during April, 1923. He was courageous enough and had enough of a sense of honor to admit what lay at the root of the Armenians’ fate. This is what makes Katchaznouni and editor of this book, Carlson/Derounian true Armenian patriot, so dangerous to the Armenian genocide industry. Note how Katchaznouni presents the picture in his manifesto:

    “Again, it would be useless to ask today to what extent the participation of volunteers in the war was a contributory cause of the Armenian calamity. No one can claim that the savage persecutions would not have taken place if our behavior on this side of the frontier was different, as no one can claim the contrary, that the persecutions would have been the same even if we had not shown hostility to the Turks. This is a matter about which it is possible to have many different opinions.”

    Did he really believe that? Or was he making concessions to his Dashnak audience?

    For what possible reason would the Armenians have been treated to the disastrous resettlement program, other than their having treacherously rebelled against their country, in their country’s darkest hour? Did Katchaznouni actually believe in the phony reasons supported by the Hovannisians and Dadrians of his time, Pan-Turanism, Muslims hate Christians, and the looting of Armenian wealth?

    All of a sudden, the Turks were going to “exterminate” the Armenians, at the worst stage of the Ottoman Empire’s life… while engaged in a mortal struggle, with manpower and resources in desperate shortage? Then why did the Turks not “exterminate” Ottoman Jews? Ottoman Jews were not racially Turkic (Khazar theories likely unknown); the Jews were not Muslim. The Jews had wealth.

    Answer: the Ottoman Jews were loyal to their nation.

    Regardless, Katchaznouni was MAN enough to admit:

    “The proof is, however –and this is essential– that the struggle begun decades ago against the Turkish government brought about the deportation or extermination of the Armenian people in Turkey and the desolation of Turkish Armenia. This was the terrible fact!”

    Translation: we bore the act, and we must bear the responsibility… the way a MAN must. (Well, half a translation; Katchaznouni still couldn’t resist desiring to blame the Turks, just in case.)

    Both Katchaznouni and Carlson/Derounian were probably aware that if the Armenian revolutionary committees did not start up circa 1880, none of these “massacres” would have ever happened. However, it would have taken real guts to come out and say that.

    Armenians should come to understand the disgusting nature of the Dashnaks, whose fanatical, murderous and despicable ways was the root cause of the catastrophe that was brought upon the Armenian people. As Katchaznouni spells out so eloquently, many Armenians suffer from the common psychological ailment:

    “[One of the main aspects of Armenian] “national psychology… [is] to seek external causes for [Armenian ] misfortune.”

  7. The poster above is trying to rewrite history by blaming the Armenians for being murdered in the most bestial fashion by the Turks, in what was nothing other than classic jihad to wipe out unbelievers. To smear the Christian Armenians for their ‘fanatical, murderous and despicable ways’ is the same as blaming the millions of Jews murdered by the Nazi’s.

    The jihad is relentless, continuous and the evidence is too obvious to be overlooked: Where are Turkey’s Christians today? Where are the Jews? Where are the Greeks?

    All murdered, expropriated and driven from their homes in the same jihad fashion we see around the world in 30 + jihad theaters of war where Muhammedans are trying to expand their territory.

    Lets have a look at what happened to the Greeks, shall we?


  8. To smear the Christian Armenians for their ‘fanatical, murderous and despicable ways’ is the same as blaming the millions of Jews murdered by the Nazi’s.

    I’m really having hard times to understand your rationale on creating similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Your bigotry attitude is simply attempting to “use the Armenian massacres to diminish the worth of the Jewish Holocaust and to relate to it instead as an ethnic dispute.” as Dalia Karpel states in her article “There Was No Genocide,” relating to her interview with History Professor Bernard Lewis, published in the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, January 23, 1998.
    How do you explain the fact that more than 100,000 Armenian voluntarily joined the Nazi Army as far back as the mid 1930s and fought for Hitler’s racial pure state until the end of the war in 1945? Meanwhile Republic of Turkey washelpingGreece to save Jews…

    * Muslims joined Hitler to exterminate the Jews.That’s correct.

    *And your evidence for your (false) claim is where?

    How do you explain the fact that there are more Armenian churches in Muslim Turkey than there are Armenian Christian churches in Christian Armenia.

    * Your fantasy?

    How do you explain the fact that Armenia doesn’t allow freedom of religion to members of Islam, Judaism nor other branches of the Christian church other than their one an only state owned church? How do you explain the persecution of other Christian churches except the one and only Armenian state owned and controlled church? How do you explain the fact that today in Armenia more than 95% of the people there are now ethnic pure Armenian?

    * Evidence pleaazze!

    Christianity is alive and well in Turkey. There are more than 100 Christian churches in Istanbul alone.

    * Hidden behind embassy compounds? The last time I checked Christians were bestially tortured and murdered.

    Jews are pretty content with their life in Turkey. Turkey is probably the only country you can see a mosque, a church, and a synagogue literally side by side in peace.

    * Been there. Seen it. Its not quite like that. Yes there a a few Jews left in Turkey. Not reassuring…

    You are right about your jihad remarks though… It was Armenians who started their jihad against Turk with their pursuit of the imperialist demand ”From Sea to Sea”. Do you have an answer why the horrifying massacres committed upon the Turks, Kurds and other Ottoman Muslims by Armenians have seldom been heard?

    * Jihad is a Muhammedan thing. Its not a Christian invention. Horrifying massacres on Turks? Obviously not by the Armenians, they were annihilated by the Turks. Look, if you want to cook history, do it elsewhere. Check with Ahmad-in-jihad. This is not the forum for it.

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