* This whole thing is dead in the water because the Pal’s have nothing to give and never complied with anything they ever signed. So now its all about Condi trying to pressure Israel into collective suicide. Chances are that with Israel’s current leadership who is ‘tired of winning’ they might just go for it:
Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa, right, Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas, center and Foreign Minister of Saudi Arabia Prince Saud Al Faysal attend Arab foreign ministers meeting at the Arab League headquarters in Cairo, Egypt Friday
Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations grudgingly agreed Friday to attend next week’s U.S.-sponsored Mideast peace conference, despite failing to get any guarantee of Israeli concessions.
In a sign of the skepticism, even among close U.S. allies, the Saudi foreign minister cautioned that there would be no public handshakes with Israeli officials at the gathering Tuesday in Annapolis, Md.
Arab leaders made clear they were on board in part to ensure that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas does not make any damaging concessions to Israel in any negotiations on a final peace deal. Israel has dangled the possibility of an accord as early as the end of 2008.
Asked if Abbas has a free rein to negotiate a deal, Arab League chief Amr Moussa underlined that Arab countries would not back an agreement deal that did not meet an Arab peace plan calling for a return of all lands Israel seized in the 1967 war.
“I repeat again and again that we are governed by the Arab initiative in all behaviors and … and in our agreement to end the Arab-Israeli conflict,” he told reporters after the foreign ministers of the league’s member states decided to go to Annapolis.
Arab countries â€” particularly Saudi Arabia, which has no diplomatic relations with Israel â€” have worried that the conference would corner them into a high-profile meeting with Israel without securing any commitments about the future shape of a peace deal.
Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said that while he was going to Annapolis, he would not join in any Arab-Israeli handshakes like those stage-managed by U.S. officials at past conferences, such as the one between Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat in 1993.
“We are not prepared to take part in a theatrical show, in handshakes and meetings that don’t express political positions. We are going with seriousness and we work on the same seriousness and credibility,” he said after the meeting.
*There’s a method in the madness. But the Bush administration and the current Israeli government don’t understand the concept of Muhammedan warfare and Islamic jihad and con’t bother to study it.
Otherwise this charade wouldn’t be happening in front of us…
* Think the Arabs will touch this..?
“As bad as it might look from the outside, the truth is 10 times worse. This is a nightmare. The Americans have never been so hostile.”
“……the Americans have sided with the Palestinians against Israel”.
* Arab-Muslim opposition to Israel’s existence is based entirely on their religious belief that Israel is “on Arab land.”
“of course all Jews are unclean pigs – just as it says in the Koran”
Let’s be fair, the Quran says some (scroll to 5:60) Jews were turned into pigs — and don’t forget, monkeys, too (also, 2:65, 7:166). And Muhammed in the Hadith (Sahih Muslim, Bk 42) says some Jews became rats (scroll down to #7135).
thanks to Rosie
It was the Arab bloc, including the Palestinian leadership, that decided to reject the UN’s 1947 partition of Palestine into two states, Arab and Jewish, living side by side.
Instead, it invaded the nascent Jewish state rather than choosing to co-exist with it, spawning the conflict that has so burdened the world for the past 60 years.
* Indeed. But the correct answer for this can easily be found in the Koran and the sunnah, in the tenets and atmospherics of Islam, where it states clearly that land once conquered by Islam must never be given back to infidels or, in this case the reviled Jews. The answer can also be found in the Koranic concept of war here, and failing to familiarize themselves with these scriptures, by which every Muslim is bound, will bring many more failures. A piece of paper signed by Arab Muslims is worthless, because Allah has already absolved them of their vows. And last not least it will not end with Israel being destroyed, it will simply encourage more jihad against the West, for example against Spain, Al Andaluz as the Muslims call it, for the same reason: because land once conquered belongs to the ummah forever and the believers are commanded to kill and die for the reconquest. That’s the crux of the biscuit, to be ignored at our peril. Here is more by the eminent scholar Hugh Fitzgerald:
Islam, said Muhammad, is “to dominate and not to be dominated.” No land once part of dar al-Islam can ever fall under Infidel control again. The whole world belongs to Allah, and to his people, the Believers, but pride of place must go to the territories once conquered by the forces of Islam. The land on which Israel now sits, and other lands, including the Balkans, much of south-central Europe, much of Russia, most of India, and of course Spain, were once all part of dar al-Islam, and must be returned to it. But Israel, an Infidel sovereign state run by the despised Jews, and sitting smack in the middle of dar al-Islam, is particularly disturbing. If it remains a sovereign state, not only is land once Muslim not yet regained (as the whole world will eventually be either regained, or gained, for Islam), but the non-Muslims in it will not be living as dhimmis, subject to Muslim rule, and owing whatever rights they have to Muslims. Infidels can be permitted to exist only as dhimmis, and in such a non-Muslim state as Israel they would no longer be dhimmis. This is impossible for the Muslims….