A Debate We Have To Have

Rediscovering our backbones

There you go: Who said that two females are only worth half of a man?

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A single Janet Albrechtsen proves that she can take down most of the leftards and half-assed girlie-men from the PC-right with one shot from the hip:

The West is now well versed in this Muslim drama. First act: enter Muslims claiming hurt feelings. Second act: enter Muslims issuing a death-to-Western-heathens diktat. Cue Pakistan’s Religious Affairs Minister Mohammed Ijaz-ul-Haq: “If someone exploded a bomb on his body he would be right to do so unless the British Government apologises and withdraws the sir title.” Meanwhile, Pakistani students burned effigies of the Queen and Rushdie chanting “kill him, kill him”.

It’s a routine that travels. Iranian leaders wept tears, claiming it was a clear sign of Islamophobia. Honouring a hated apostate would hurt the feelings of the Islamic community, said the foreign ministry spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini. The Headquarters for Honouring the Martyrs of Islam World Movement increased the bounty on Rushdie’s head.

There’s no point in arguing with a country complaining about hurt feelings while it promises to wipe out Israel or with its citizens who want to “bestow kisses on the hands of whomsoever is able to execute this apostate”. But it’s worth checking whether the protagonist in the third act of this horror play will stick to the script. That’s where the West capitulates, apologising for Western values in the name of protecting Muslim sensibilities. Values such as freedom of speech: the right to voice opinions that are offensive. And freedom of religion: the right to disagree without copping a fatwa.

In 2004, after Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh was murdered for his movie, Submission, artist Chris Ripke reacted by painting a mural on a wall. It featured a dove (representing peace) with the words “thou shalt not kill” written in Dutch. The head of a nearby mosque complained to Rotterdam police that the mural was offensive and racist. Rotterdam police duly sent in city workers to remove the mural. When a message of peace is regarded as racist, you know Western values are just not what they used to be.

Last year when Muslims were offended by a bunch of silly Danish cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammed, some Muslims reacted by burning the Danish flag to the tune of bomb threats, boycotts and $14 million fatwas on the head of the cartoonists. The intimidation worked. Western leaders fell over themselves in the race to condemn the cartoons. Muslim feelings had to be spared such hurt. Many Most newspapers refused to publish the cartoons. A French editor was sacked for publishing them. The wankers from the Australian argued publishing them would add nothing to the debate.

With another chapter of Muslim intimidation unfolding over Rushdie’s gong, it is becoming increasingly clear this is a debate we have to have. Not only with Muslim countries. But also with those living in the West who openly reject Western values.

Read it all, its a good one…!

Bucktooth Bashir’s Muhammedan Logic: “There are only two options for Muslims; to win or to die”

Not, in this view, “to coexist peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis.”

More efforts to impede the anti-jihad resistance by playing on Western phobias about “bigotry”: “West funds elite unit to destroy Islam: hardliners,” by Mark Forbes for the Brisbane Herald via Jihad Watch

INDONESIAN Muslim hardliners have called for the Australian-backed anti-terrorism squad Detachment 88 to be abolished because they say it is financed and trained by foreign countries to destroy Islam.
Islamic leaders including the cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, the alleged former leader of the terrorist network Jemaah Islamiah, and lawyers for terrorist suspects recently arrested by the squad, made the demand at a press conference yesterday.

Throwing down the gauntlet to authorities after the capture of two JI leaders, Kholil Ridwan, of the Islamic Community Forum, said Detachment 88 was a US tool to “stigmatise Islam”.
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“We call on the Indonesian Government to stop co-operation with the United States and its allies in the global war on terror,” Mr Ridwan said. “The United States’ war on terror, with the help of its sheriff, Australia, and deputy sheriff, Singapore, is a war against Islam.”

It most certainly is nothing of the kind. But this just shows that all the blather about the Religion of Peace, and all the efforts to emphasize that this is not a war against Islam, have accomplished nothing. We would have been much better off had Western leaders spoken forthrightly about this effort as a defense against the global jihad, and called upon peaceful Muslims to reject the ideology of the jihadists, instead of ignoring it and denying it exists.

Bashir denied terrorists existed in Indonesia, saying: “Those who did bombings, they are just doing counter-terrorism. They are holy warriors to defend Muslims terrorised in other countries.” The real terrorist was America, he said, though it was a mistake for bombers to target peaceful areas….
Dujana told CNN the group would continue its fight for Islamic rule but he wanted it to limit civilian casualties….

A team of 13 lawyers will today file a lawsuit demanding Detachment 88 be disbanded on behalf of Muslim activists who say they have been wrongfully arrested. “We don’t want any more arrests taking place,” said one lawyer, Munarman.

He said the unit was torturing holy warriors who were trying to defend Islam.

Bashir warned all Muslims against helping the squad. “We know that Detachment 88 is a tool of Americans and Jews and any Muslim who helps infidels is an apostate,” he said….

All Muslims should fight to create an Islamic state, he urged. “There are only two options for Muslims; to win or to die.”

George W. Bush will speak at Islamic Center of Washington DC

On September 17, 2001, six days after the worst Islamic terror attacks ever on US soil, President Bush stood next to CAIR’s Nihad Awad at the Islamic Center of Washington DC, and pronounced ‘Islam is Peace’.

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Get ready people, because the last speech took our shoes and socks off:

Nihad Awad is second from the right. Here’s an excerpt from the President’s speech:

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war. …

Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That’s not the America I know. That’s not the America I value.

I’ve been told that some fear to leave; some don’t want to go shopping for their families; some don’t want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they’re afraid they’ll be intimidated. That should not and that will not stand in America.

* Spoken by GW Bush, dislexic child of privilege, clueless about history and politics, and most of all ignorant,willfully stupid about Islam.

There is more, read it if you can stand it…

In other news:

Fareed Zakaria from Newsweek is telling us to go back to sleep:

True or False: We Are Losing The War Against Radical Islam

July 2-9, 2007 issue – Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, are strangely united on one point: the threat from global jihad is growing dangerously. Republicans use that belief as a way to remind the American people that we live in a fearsome world—and need tough leaders to protect us. For Democrats, the same idea fortifies their claim that the Bush administration has failed to deal with a crucial threat—and that we need a new national-security team. Terrorism experts and the media add to this chorus, consciously or not, because they have an incentive to paint a grim picture: bad news sells. Amid the clamor, it is difficult to figure out what is actually going on.

More…

Muslim Speaker at Church: ‘Touch Mohammed and There Will Be Riots’

Interesting stuff from a so-called ‘interfaith-outreach’ program:

Here’s an interesting report on an “interfaith outreach” program at a church featuring a Muslim speaker; ever notice that these “outreach” programs only seem to reach in one direction? Muslim Speaks at My Church, Calls Me “Naive.” Also “Tough.”

I asked him about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the former Dutch MP, former Muslim and self-described “Muslim atheist” who left Holland after being evicted from her apartment so that her neighbors would be safer from Islamic threats to her life. He responded that her situation is “contrived,” that she’s not in any danger, “it’s all to sell books,” “you watch,” she’ll live long and make lots of money. And on further reflection, he decided that I am “naive” for believing her tales. Who would bother with her, he asked rhetorically.

Naturally I then asked about the murder of van Gogh. Our speaker’s response: “An aberration.” Surely the stated target for murder of even an “aberration,” as Ms. Ali was targeted by van Gogh’s killer and has been publicly marked for death in the last three months, must be in danger? No, it’s all contrived.

But how can it be contrived or an aberration when so many rioted over the Danish cartoons? His answer: “Touch Mohammed and there will be riots.”

The burning of the profit Muhammed Update

Bush: Stuck on Stupid

Bush wants Muslims to denounce terror

* Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does

Gee, that would be nice, now nearly six years after 9/11. But it isn’t nearly enough. Muslim leaders of all kinds have already denounced “terror.” The problem here is that no one is defining these terms; rather, everyone is assuming that we all mean the same things by them whenever we use them. By “terror” does one mean “an unprovoked attack against innocent civilians with the intention of causing undifferentiated mayhem”? Muslim leaders will have no problem denouncing that. But if one means “actions carried out in order to advance the program of Islamic supremacism that advances through both nonviolent and violent jihad,” that is quite another matter. No one is being specific enough. No one is speaking about “the jihad ideology of Islamic supremacism” and asking Muslims to denounce that. No one dares.

“Bush wants Muslims to denounce terror,” by Jon Ward for the Washington Times (thanks to JW):

THE WASHINGTON TIMES – President Bush will challenge Muslim leaders to denounce acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islam during a speech today at the same Washington mosque he visited days after the September 11 attacks.
Mr. Bush will commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Islamic Center of Washington, a half-century after President Eisenhower spoke at its dedication on June 28, 1957.

The president’s speech will focus on “the importance of religious freedom in the Middle East, and how securing that freedom requires Muslims to stand up to extremists,” according to a White House briefing document released yesterday evening.

Mr. Bush also will thank Muslim leaders who have spoken out against terrorism.

Although the president will emphasize that “the face of terrorism is not the true face of Islam,” he brings a different message with him to the mosque than he did six years ago.

On Sept. 17, 2001, Mr. Bush, seeking to prevent acts of retaliation against American Muslims after the September 11 attacks, said, “Islam is peace.”

But since then, the president’s rhetoric about Islam and terrorism has shifted. In 2005, he spoke about “Islamic radicalism,” specifying that the enemy in the war on terrorism is a certain brand of Islam.

James Phillips, a Middle East analyst at the Heritage Foundation, said Mr. Bush was distinguishing between “an ideology and a religion.”

Great. But this is an artificial distinction, imposed from without, and having no basis in traditional Islam.

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Cooking the News 4 U

After Beirut woman and Green Helmet Man the MSM continues to manufacture the news for you:

* What’s amazing is that MSM is being duped again by islamist propaganda artists and don’t even recognize it! These are scripted and choreographed theatrical productions, not legitimate
demonstrations…

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If you follow the link, you will be treated to some scenes from the strenuous life of a professional Muslim protester in the Kashmiri city of Srinagar. Over the last few years, there have been innumerable opportunities for him to demonstrate his piety and his pissed-offness. And the cameras have been there for him every time. Is it a fatwah? Is it a copy of the Quran allegedly down the gurgler at Guantanamo? Is it some cartoon in Denmark? Time for Rage Boy to step in and for his visage to impress the rest of the world with the depth and strength of Islamist emotion. 

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CNN: Israel doesn’t exist. Wiped off the Map!

From LGF:   They don’t even have a weather in Israel

The Twilight Zone of CNN 

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Clicking “Jerusalem, null” brings you to the page for Israel, of course.

Could be an innocent mistake, you say? But that’s not all—not by a long shot. Their “Weather Location Selector” lists Gaza and the West Bank as countries separate from Israel—and their list of Israeli cities includes several Arab villages which have not existed since 1948.

And in a related outrage, another reader emailed about Samsung’s list of support centers in the Middle East—which includes the imaginary country of “Palestine,” but not Israel.

A five-year battle over free speech in Australia’s state of Victoria is over

Pastors Settle ‘Vilifying Islam’ Case

* A frivolous lawsuit that should have been thrown out of court ends in a Mexican standoff:

* The ‘vilification’ occurred when the pastors were publicly reading from the Koran:

Danny Nalliah and Daniel Scot have long been embroiled in this battle for free speech. Why should vilifying Islam, or vilifying Christianity, or vilifying anything you like, be against the law at all?

From CBNNews.com

CBNNews.com – A five-year battle over free speech in Australia’s state of Victoria is over.
Pastors Danny Nalliah and Daniel Scott were charged with vilifying Islam.

They have reached what is being called a mediated settlement in the case.

The Islamic Council of Victoria state has agreed that citizens have the right to “robustly debate religion” and “criticize religious beliefs” within the limits of the law.

Terms of a monetary settlement have yet to be disclosed.

However, both sides must share legal costs.

The two pastors spent more than $500,000 defending their right to criticize Islam.

* From a comment at Dhimmi Watch:

The Islamic Council of Victoria state has agreed that citizens have the right to “robustly debate religion” and “criticize religious beliefs” within the limits of the law.

Wow! Muslims agree that dhimmis have the right to robustly criticize Islam!? Good news, but how long before they spin it?

* ‘Within the limits of the law” obviously means sharia law. Infidels have no right to criticize Islam…

* The Islamic Council of Victoria state has agreed that citizens have the right to “robustly debate religion” and “criticize religious beliefs” within the limits of the law.

Translation: you can “criticize religion within the limits of the law;” but, you will be sued every time you criticize Islam, making it so expensive to defend your rights that eventually, you will keep your criticisms to yourselves because you can’t afford not to.

This is a BIG win for islam; a BIG lose for everyone else.

Gigantic Mosque Angers Germans

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* Hmm. Looks like resistance against Arab imperialism is building everywhere in the western world. Everywhere from Boston to London, from Rome to Cairns/ Australia and from Berlin to Bern in Switzerland Muslims are determined to build their symbols of Islamic conquest. In the words of Tayyip Erdogan, Turkish PM: “The mosques are our barracks; the minarets are our bayonets …”

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In Cologne, Germany, Muslims are building a gigantic mosque with 170-foot tall minarets, very near to the historic Cologne Cathedral. Many Germans are unhappy about the mosque, which will be one of the largest in Europe, and they should be—it’s a symbol of Islamic domination, and this kind of in-your-face provocation has been seen time and time again, in Western country after Western country: Construction of mosque ignites German hostility.

COLOGNE, Germany — The construction of one of Europe’s biggest mosques near a globally famous Christian landmark has sparked a furious dispute in Germany.

Immigration and integration are extremely sensitive issues in Germany, which is home to a Turkish community of several million.

But almost within the shadow of Cologne Cathedral, political correctness was replaced by bitter confrontation, as the city’s Muslims began building a 2,000-capacity mosque whose twin minarets will reach 170 feet.

“Muslims have been here for 40 years, yet people are praying in back rooms,” said Seyda Can, an Islamic theologian at the Turkish Islamic Union in Cologne. “There are 120,000 Muslims in Cologne, that’s 12 percent of the population. We should not hide.” …” With this mosque Muslims will no longer think of their old countries as their home, but of Germany,”

* That will do it, eh? No need to deal with any questions about Sharia or the overarching loyalty to the umma, transcending loyalty to any nation state, that has always been part of Islam? All that will just fly out the window as soon as this mosque is completed, I suppose?

“Two hundred years ago the first Protestant church was built in Cologne. It was a long process for Protestants to be accepted but today, of course, they are. Why can’t we be the same?”

* Because Islam is not the same. Protestantism is not incompatible with the European separation of religion from state power. Islam traditionally recognizes no such separation. What assurance can you give us that Muslims in Germany will acquiesce to this separation without any intention to impose Sharia in the future?

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“Es gibt kein Grundrecht auf den Bau einer Großmoschee!” (Ralph Giordano).

“There is no fundamental right to build a mega-Mosque”

Some comments from LGF:

* Muslims in Germany behave the way muslims in every other European country do, I doubt ” hiding ” is the right word. Lurking might work.

* Are the Germans going to submit to Muslim screeches to prayer five times per day from those 170 foot tall speaker towers?

* Leading the charge is Ralph Giordano, a prominent Jewish author, who wrote recently that Germany is witnessing a “clash of two completely different cultures” and questioned whether they could ever be reconciled.
Stating that he had received death threats for his opinions, he added: “What kind of a state are we in that I can face a fatwa in Germany?”

For Mr. Uckermann, who belongs to the conservative CDU party of Chancellor Angela Merkel, Mr. Giordano’s comments smashed a long-held taboo in Germany.

“Giordano broke down the wall,” he said. “Before, if you criticized this monstrous mosque, you were a Nazi. But we have a problem with the integration of Muslims. It’s a question of language and culture.”

* Comment: No. Its not about language and culture. Its about a cult that uses religion for conquest and ‘booty’- its about the most vile and evil ideology that openly seeks to enslave and subjugate us.

Who says one person can’t make a difference? Hope this guy can afford protection services.

#62 Fjordman 6/25/2007 12:59:44 pm PDT
Notice that the left-leaning Der Spiegel complains about the “far-right” who are opposing this mosque, just like I am “far right” according to Wikipedia.

Far-Right Mobilizes against Cologne Mega-Mosque

* The slanderous header above is typical for the hysterical wankers from the far left who believe it is necessary to smear anyone opposing Islamofascism with words like ‘right wing’ or ‘Neo-Nazi’- just like many, if not most Arabs believe that Jews are, by being Jewish, already discredited.


* A right-wing citizens’ initiative is protesting against Germany’s largest mosque, which is being built in Cologne. They have enlisted the efforts of the far-right from Austria and Belgium in their fight against the “Islamization of Europe.

* Raise the alarm! And circulate to the City Fathers of Cologne, copies of the various Rules for Dhimmis as unearthed by Bat Ye’or’s researches – highlighting the fact that non-Muslims in Muslim lands were NOT PERMITTED TO BUILD HOUSES OR CHURCHES HIGHER THAN ANYTHING BUILT BY A MUSLIM. Ergo: every time Muslims set out to build a great big mosque in a western city, with minarets overtopping neighbouring churches, etc., it is an attempt to assert Domination.*

* Moonbatterish, pathetic slander from the left:

Jews, Neo-Nazis protest huge mosque in Germany

Neo-Nazis? Here is yet another indication of the deleterious effects of the abdication of the European political mainstream. Its refusal to confront and deal with the many and various effects of rapid, large-scale Muslim immigration into Europe leaves the field open to unsavory groups. Then the presence of such groups taints the whole issue and give ammunition to the Leftists and jihad apologists who claim that anyone who opposes the Islamization of Europe is a crypto-Nazi anyway. In a sane Europe, prime ministers and parliaments would be discussing Sharia, deciding just how much of it, if any, they intend to allow, and moving sternly against those who are trying to implement Sharia in their states. But we do not live in a sane age in Europe’s history.

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“Huge mosque stirs protests in Cologne,” by Harry de Quetteville in the Telegraph, link to JW

* The slant of this article is an absolute piece of shit and a LIE. I was at the main demo and know what really happened!! Just another journalist trying to make hay where there is none.

BOO to Harry de Quetteville for lying and deceiving so blatantly!

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The Religion of Peace: Enraged, as usual

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Activists Lunatics from the Islamic parties chant slogans against British author Salman Rushdie during a protest in Lahore June 25, 2007. A group of hardline Pakistani Muslim clerics has bestowed a religious title on Osama bin Laden in response to a British knighthood for the Rushdie, whose novel “The Satanic Verses” outraged many Muslims around the world. The placards top line says, “Curse Salman Rushdie,” and the bottom line, “Duty to kill.”

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You rarely get them dumber than that:

Here’s a Muslim “scholar,” Dr. Zakir Naik, explaining why Muslims must build mosques in non-Muslim countries while prohibiting churches and temples in Islamic states—because they know the “truth” and infidels do not.

Celebrating Freedom in Denmark

Yesterday we were informed that a group in Denmark was planning to burn an effigy of Mohammed (instead of a witch) at the traditional midsummer festival. The Danes made quite a production of the bonfire — the soundtrack has “Light My Fire” on it…

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The last thing you see before the action rolls is this:

For a Mohammedan-free Denmark!

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Update: We have the translated Danish text for you

We declare:

Saint Hans’ Eve has always celebrated the tradition of burning away the evil, in earlier times symbolized by the witch, who was supposedly directly connected to Satan. And if the witch was not burned then the harvest could not be safely brought into the house.

Now a new evil has arrived in Europe, an evil that lies and kills in the name of their so-called God. An evil that springs from the so-called Prophet Mohammed. Therefore, in our time, it is he who symbolizes evil and it is not just one harvest that will disappear, but all of Western Europe’s future that will vanish if this evil is not dispatched to Hekkenfeldt [i.e. Hell, literally the Hekla volcano in Iceland — BB].

Therefore will we burn the so-called Prophet Mohammed, on June 23, 2007, in three nameless places.

We burned Mohammed in three different places across the country. We now release the video from the first burning. The next videos will be released on July 23 and August 23.

For a Mohammed-free Denmark!!!
Hold on to your helmets, Vikings. You’re in for a wild ride…

The Salman Rushdie Dilemma

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From AFP: Iran says Rushdie death fatwa still stands.

Iran said on Sunday that a fatwa ordering the death of British writer Salman Rushdie issued by its revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini still stands after his knighthood by the queen.
“The stance of the Islamic Republic of Iran with regard to this issue has not changed from what was put forward by the Imam Khomeini,” foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told reporters.

The Indian-born Rushdie, 59, was forced to go into hiding for a decade after Khomeini issued the 1989 death sentence over his book “The Satanic Verses,” saying it insulted Islam.

Khomeini’s successor as supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said in January 2005 he still believed the British novelist was an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam.

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Update:

Hirsi Ali:

“By knighting Salman Rushdie, the queen has honored the freedom of conscience and creativity cherished in the West, making her a symbol of the essence of our way of life”

In “An honor worth defending” in the IHT Ayaan Hirsi Ali calls on the West to recover its spine and defend its culture and civilization. But there is a curious phrase in the opening paragraph:

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Imagine if a crowd of Englishmen marched in London carrying effigies of Muhammad, peace be upon him, stacks of the Koran, miniatures of the Kaaba in Mecca and Saudi flags. Imagine if they then built a bonfire and hurled the items one at a time into that fire screaming “Long Live the Queen!” each time the flames shot up.
“Peace be upon him”? This is an interjection that pious Muslims add after uttering the name of a prophet. Yet Hirsi Ali has referred to Muhammad as a tyrant and a pervert. She has not presented herself as a Muslim except in a broad cultural way. So I wonder: did she add this interjection herself, as a means of identifying herself as a cultural Muslim? Or did an editor at Tribune Media Services (which distributed this piece) or the IHT add it in as an exercise in politically correct sensitivity?

Robert Spencer from Jihad Watch is asking this question, and rightly so.
Anyway, Hirsi Ali goes on:

This would be the equivalent of what hardline Muslim students did in the eastern Pakistani city of Multan, to take just one example, when they burned effigies this week of Queen Elizabeth II and Salman Rushdie, chanting “Kill him! Kill him!” in response to his recently bestowed knighthood.
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Westerners have too often shrugged their shoulders at the trashing of their icons – such as when the queen is burned in effigy – by the foot soldiers of tribal barbarism. This perceived weakness makes the foes of the West more ferocious and helps recruit more jihadists.

Instead the West should join together to vigorously defend its symbols and civilization that, with all its flaws, still offers the best life to the most people.

By knighting Salman Rushdie, the queen has honored the freedom of conscience and creativity cherished in the West, making her a symbol of the essence of our way of life.

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* Something that cannot be said for the idiot prince Charles who wants to be known as ‘defender of the faith’s’….

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