How to debate a Muslim

Here are some tips on how not to get caught with malevolent detractors who would pull the Islamic wool over your eyes and ears, (if you let them)

End Times Today with Walid Shoebat — Lesson 2: How to Deal with a Muslim Apologist.mov

Part One is here

Update:

Circular reasoning:

“The Koran is the word of Allah because it says so in the Koran”

“Mohammed was not a pedophile because most of the women in his harem were older…”

That would justify the Austrian Fritzl who kept raping his own daughters for almost two decades while locking them up in his celler……..

But Muslims don’t  need perverts like Fritzl,  they’re always 2 steps ahead:

AMMAN: A Jordanian criminal prosecutor has charged a carpenter with the rape and murder of his teenage daughter after he tried to perform a caesarean operation on the victim to abort her and conceal his crime, local newspapers reported Monday.

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In the last couple of days we’ve have quite a few of these ‘defenders of Islam’ on this blog. To spot these annoying time-wasters I dug this out from our “Islam” archive, just to help you all on how to smell the coffee early enough. Note also that most of these mental giants use Western names like  ‘Dave’ or ‘Michael’ and usually call themselves ‘Christians’-  all in the noble spirit of  “war is deceit”- but they are easily spotted.

Debating Mohammedan Taqiyya Doctors

Hugh Fitzgerald wrote this quite a while ago, I have taken liberty to  edit it slightly for length and  this blog entry:

Infuriating, is it not, to attempt to have a rational debate and to find yourself instead with an opponent who slithers about like an eel, and with whom you can never quite engage, because you can never quite grasp and hold him long enough, because he is forever slipping and sliding and meanwhile keeping of a non-stop patter of distraction and attack and omission and exaggeration. The very idea of a debate is or should be related to the idea that each party attempts, in good faith, to examine a topic together, and to ask, or answer, questions of or from the other.

Muslims don’t do that. They don’t ‘play nice’- because  they are religiously obliged to defend the indefensible, and you will be frustrated out of your wits about the detractions, the lies and prevarications that will be thrown your way.

Unless the moderator-hosts for such things set up strict rules, and demand that questions be answered and not remain un-answered or answered with irrelevancies, the farce will continue. And all that will have been learned is something about the eerily eel-like quality of the other side, with all that slipping and slithering –perhaps not quite as effectively as Tariq Ramadan — as far away from the real and serious matter at hand, as is possible.

Dhimmi Watch: Ibn Warraq on How to Debate a Muslim, Part II

Dhimmi Watch: Ibn Warraq on How to Debate a Muslim, Part I

A note from Robert Spencer

Deception in Islam

How to Debate a Muslim

Turnspeak, lies, deflection and taqiyya:

When trying to debate with Muhammed worshipers you will end up frustrated and exasperated: Muhammedans are masters of a technique called ‘turnspeak’–  they use Tu Quoque (’you do it too-arguments) ‘accuse the accuser’- they employ kitman & taqiyya (lies & deception and dissimulation) they deflect away from the subject matter to avoid getting nailed on the unpleasant things like the atrocities, the rape, the plunder, slavery and child-molesting of the ‘profit’ Mohammed and his companions. Inevitably, if you know your stuff-,  you will be cursed, they will threaten to kill you and tell you that you will go to hell for questioning their belief-system.

Expect this and prepare yourself accordingly:

Criticizing Islam? Get ready for this:

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Rabid Jew-hater Jeremiah Wright cops flack over anti-Semitic rants

Jeremiah Wright’s anti-Semitic comments draw ire
Jim Brown – OneNewsNow 

Rev Wright APA leading Christian Zionist says if President Obama wants to be consistent in his condemnation of anti-Semitism, he should speak out against the latest anti-Semitic rant by his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

Pastor Wright told the Daily Press of Newport News, Virginia, on Tuesday that “them Jews” were keeping him from speaking to President Obama. He also criticized the president for not sending a U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Racism, saying Obama chose not to for fear of offending Jews and Israel.

Pro-Israel activist Gary Bauer, who serves on the executive board of Christians United for Israel, says Wright’s comments were yet another jarring reminder that he is an “open, unrepentant anti-Semite of the worst kind.”
 
“This is a man who has serious problems and is obviously a hater – and the mystery remains why in the world our president and his family would have stayed in that church for so many years,” he contends.

  • No mystery at all. Winds of Jihad  warned you  again and again about the son of a Gramscian whore and a Kenyan Muslim…

 Although the White House would not comment on Wright’s incendiary remarks, including his claim that Zionists were carrying out “ethnic cleansing” in Gaza, Bauer says President Obama needs to be asked how much of his Mideast policy was formulated by the two decades of teaching he received from Wright.

“Certainly when I see the president suggesting that Israel cannot build homes for Jews in Judea and Samaria, it raises serious concerns in my mind about what in the world is motivating [him] to take such a position,” he admits.
 
According to Bauer, if Jeremiah Wright is so concerned about “ethnic cleansing,” he needs to look no further than Gaza, where every Jew was forced to leave as they turned that land over to the Palestinians. Bauer is concerned that the Obama administration may be suggesting that no Jews will be allowed to live in the West Bank as that land is also turned over to the Palestinians.
 
Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports that Wright issued an apology on Thursday, saying he “meant no harm or ill-will to the American Jewish community” or Obama’s administration.

Go ahead, make my day: Pal's threaten new 'intifada'

PA: “Netanyahu speech will spur new intifada”

JERUSALEM (JTA) — Palestinian Authority officials said Benjamin Netanyahu’s policy speech would trigger a new intifada. 

jimmy-carter-pal“The speech has destroyed all initiatives and expectations,” said a statement issued from PA President Mahmoud Abbas’ office following Netanyahu’s policy speech on Sunday at Bar Ilan University. “It has also placed restrictions on all efforts to achieve peace and constitutes a clear challenge to the Palestinian, Arab and American positions.”

An Abbas aide told the Jerusalem Post that “It’s obvious, in the aftermath of this speech, that we are headed toward another round of violence and bloodshed.” 

* Jewish leaders get the shits over Obamessiah’s deceit

Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erekat called on the Arab countries to suspend the Arab peace initiative to protest Netanyahu’s policy statement. 

Hamas said that Netanyahu’s address reflected “a racist and extremist ideology,” the French news agency AFP reported.

* Damn!  Hamas calls Nethanyahu ‘extremist’-which race is Islam again?

Israeli opposition leader Tzipi Livni said at a Kadima Party meeting Monday that Netanyahu took “a step in the right direction” during his speech Sunday.  She said the opposition would make sure Netanyahu’s words, calling for a demilitarized Palestinian state, would be translated into action.

A statement from a group of rightists said they would build dozens of new outposts in response to Netanyahu’s address as well as President Obama’s address last week in Cairo.

Israeli President Shimon Peres said in a statement: “The Prime Minister’s speech was a true and courageous speech that referred to the main issue — the establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the state of Israel, the state of the Jewish People.  He also proposed to the Palestinians the opening of direct negotiations without preconditions. These remarks, which were enunciated in a clear voice, are very important regarding the strengthening of stability in the Middle East and constitute an opening of direct negotiations towards both a regional peace and a bilateral peace between Israel and the Palestinians.”

Demented Al Qaradawi Goes Apeshit Over Obamessiah's Koran-Torah Platitudes

Crazy Sheikh Goes Ballistic on Obama for Mentioning Koran and Torah Together

Vicious Babushka

  • The result of centuries of first cousin marriages on display:

By: Dr. Paul Kengor…and so did Bill Clinton; where’s the media outrage?….more

By: Louis Rene Beres Repeating past mistakes. ….more

Israel Today

Geert Wilders: EU is not Israel’s friend

The EU is “one-sided and always against Israel,” Wilders said,  “nothing will happen” if Israel “depends on the Europeans” to stop Iran’s genocidal threats against the Jewish state.

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Asked about the EU’s posture toward Israel and forcing the Islamic Republic of Iran to halt its nuclear weapons program, Wilders said the European Parliament has “always been biased against Israel.” He said he regrets “that they (EU) have a foreign minister” and argued that the “European Parliament should not be involved in foreign politics.”

Wilders said Israel was the “only light of democracy in the Middle East” and that Islamic war was “against us all.” The Jewish state was “more like the canary in the coal mine,” he said, and stressed that an “ideological conflict” was unfolding in the region. “It is not a territorial conflict. Please forget about this crazy concept.” The Islamists “see Israel as a big settlement” and if Israel “gives Territory A,” said Wilders, then the other side will ask for Territory B, “such as Haifa.”  More>>

Jihad Watch Newslinks:

  1. Netanyahu offers peace, Palestinians…angered
  2. President of “Arab Republic” says Netanyahu’s call for recognition of “Jewish state” torpedoes chances for peace
  3. Palestinians say Netanyahu’s speech “torpedoes all peace initiatives in the region”
  4. Netanyahu calls for creation of disarmed Palestinian state

Atlas Shrugs:

  1. Q&A: Caroline Glick on Netanyahu & the World
  2. Netanyahu: The Man in the Arena Did not Disappoint
  3. Netanyahu: The last man standing

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Others:

Ezra Rocks Canuckistan

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FRIGHTENED OF EZRA

george_orwell_animal_farm_unabridgeOrwell’s Little Helpers: whatever it takes to shut you up!

Down with the Yuman Rites Circus!

Tim Blair – 

Jennifer Lynch, chief Canadian Human Rights Commission goon, refuses to appear on a Canadian talk show with Ezra Levant. So another Human Rights Commission loser is sent in her place – but he only appears on the condition that author, journalist and free-speech advocate Levant not argue with him. Mark Steyn weighs in: “Canada’s Chief Commissar of ‘Human Rights’, Jennifer Lynch, QC, calls for ‘balance‘, so feel free to provide some in the comments section.”

(Via Garth Godsman)

UPDATE. 

Uh-oh: Do we Aussies wanna be like them? Here comes the thought police:

Australia’s discrimination watchdog has criticised human rights laws as “piecemeal”, weak and insufficient in protecting human rights, and called for an overhaul …

Australian Human Rights Commission president Catherine Branson, QC, said Australia was far behind other countries. 

What odds she’s talking about the likes of Canada? 

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Peanut Khadr Watch: "da Jooozzz are da problem…"

Carter: Israel, America On A Collision Course

By Wyatt Earp | June 15, 2009

Anti-Semite CarterDoes anybody on this planet still believe that Jimmy Carter is a credible, reliable source on anything? Why the Democrat Party has not completely disowned this jackass is beyond me.

Forget diplomacy. Jimmy Carter’s silence would be the best thing to happen to American/Israeli relations.

Israel is headed for a clash with main ally the United States over the issue of Jewish settlements, former US president Jimmy Carter said in an interview on Sunday.

Asked by the liberal Haaretz newspaper whether the Jewish state was looking at a “head-on collision” with the United States if it doesn’t comply with Washington’s demands, Carter said “Yes.”

Now, I hate to admit it, but that may very well be true. Thus far, President Obama has not exactly been a staunch supporter of Israel.

The former president, who brokered the historic peace treaty between Israel and Egypt in 1979, said Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank were the biggest hurdle in the hobbled Middle East peace process, saying they were “illegal and (an) obstacle to peace.”

Yeah, because the Jews are the problem. Those lousy settlers keep getting in the way of those friendly Palestinian rockets. The nerve!

Carter on Sunday made a rare visit to a settlement, saying he went to Neve Daniel “to make sure they (the settlers) understand my own attitude towards Israel, the Jewish population across the world and the Jewish settlements.” (H/T – Bretibart)

I do understand Carter’s attitude toward Israel:

He despises them, and will almost always side with Palestinian terrorists. Why? Because he’s a rabid anti-Semite.

Iran Election Irrelevant

Update for Optimists:

Huge protest in Iran, shots fired

Is this the beginning of the end for the Islamic Republic? Maybe, but if so, there is a long way to go. This was a pro-Mousavi demonstration, and as Kenneth Timmerman points out here (thanks to Pamela), Mousavi was a founder of Hizballah and participated in the creation of Iran’s intelligence service. A demonstration on his behalf may thus represent dissatisfaction with the heavy-handedness of the mullahs, but not necessarily a genuine move away from the basic premises of the Islamic Republic. That is not to say, however, that the Islamic Republic is wildly popular among Iranians, or that there isn’t real support for a return to a more Western-oriented government and society. Obama should today be appealing to those who hold such views — which doesn’t include Mousavi — and pledging his support to them.

“Shots fired at huge Iran protest,” from the BBC, via JW

The Election that Wasn’t

Iranians yet again trusted the Islamic Republic and believed that “reform from within” was possible and yet again the Islamic Republic has proven that “reform from within” is just a slogan. More>>

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 * Sheik yer’mami sez:

 a choice between Ahmadinejad and Musavi? Irrelevant! Who cares?

A choice between one mad mullah or another  genocidal lunatic is not a choice for us. Its like  asking  “do you prefer Ted Bundy over Jack the Ripper…?”

Or who do you prefer: Hitler or Stalin?

Much Ado About Nothing in Iran

By Debbie Schlussel

The most outrageous comment I’ve heard yet about the Iranian elections is one uttered by Michigan’s Communist U.S. Senator Carl Levin on a Detroit radio station, this morning.

Well, more people voted in the Iranian elections than in the U.S. elections. They had a higher turn out in Iran. 80%.

HUH? HUH?! HUH????!!!!

This U.S. Senator is comparing the United States with a totalitarian regime and somehow implying that they are better, more democratic, more committed to free elections. . . because they had a higher percentage of turnout (a forced-by-the-totalitarian-state turnout) -by-at the polls of a fake election run and orchestrated by a theocracy? Absurd. Ludicrous. Ridiculous. More>>

 

iran-debate                                     Iran style ‘debate’…

Video: Iranian thugs beat protester to death in broad daylight

Weasel Watch:

There’s no official confirmation that he died but that’s the word on the street. Best-case scenario is that they “merely” beat him into unconsciousness. Rather than give you just the video of the beating, though, I’m embedding a kaleidoscope of 14 clips put together byBreitbart.com to show you how widespread and violent the protests already are. If you can’t spare a few minutes to watch them all, at least watch the first three plus the seventh, where you’ll find the Basij — essentially Iran’s answer to the Nazi SA — riding by on motorcycles with batons and taking swings at anyone wearing green to indicate support for Mousavi. I’ve read multiple tweets from Iranians today claiming that some of these goons have been heard speaking Arabic, not Farsi, suggesting that they’re actually Hezbollah troops shipped in from Lebanon to help with the crackdown. Whether that’s true or just a rationalization by Iranian students who don’t want to believe their own countrymen would side with the regime against the people, I don’t know.

more from Hotair

“If you meet mush, then push…”

Obama Administration officials still hope they can talk Khamenei out of developing nuclear weapons and supporting Hamas and Hezbollah. This is delusion on stilts. Khamenei can’t even compromise with his own regime or his hand-picked presidential candidates. He placed them under house arrest, along with a Grand Ayatollah, and deployed thousands of violent enforcers into the streets. Not only does he confront the world, he is at war with his very own country.

Understand the mind of a totalitarian. “Probe with a bayonet,” Vladimir Lenin famously said. “If you meet steel, stop. If you meet mush, then push.” more from rotten Totten>>

UK Compo Jihad: Bosnian Muslim Hack Screws Employer Over Cocktail Dress

Muslim cocktail waitress awarded $4,700 for being made to wear “indecent” dress

  • Cupidity, stupidity and complicity from the  judiciary:

She was  awarded  £2,919.95 for “hurt feelings” and loss of earnings..

But wait, there’s more:

Mail Online

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Indecent

But this is how she displays herself on Facebook:

article-1193100-0558581d000005dc-8_233x388                                       My feelings are hurt also…

What was a pious Muslim doing working as a cocktail waitress, anyway? And what did she expect to wear inside a bar — a burqa? Not coincidentally, she dresses more “indecently” than she was asked to in the bar on her Facebook page — indicating that this was all about intimidating the dhimmis, and of course, it worked. Absurd Brittania Alert: “Muslim cocktail waitress gets £3,000 for sexual harassment after bar ordered her to wear ‘indecent’ dress,” from the Daily Mail, June 15 (Jihad Watch):

A Muslim cocktail waitress who quit after refusing to wear a bright red dress for work has won almost £3,000 in compensation for sexual harassment.Fata Lemes, 33, was handed the payout even though a tribunal rejected her claim that the dress was ‘sexually revealing and indecent’.

It concluded the Bosnian Muslim ‘holds views about modesty and decency which some might think unusual in Britain in the 21st century’.

But it accepted that Miss Lemes genuinely believed that the short, low-cut dress was ‘disgusting’ and made her look ‘like a prostitute’.

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Yemen: Jihadists Kill 9 Foreigners, Including Kids

9 Abducted Foreigners, Including 3 Children, Found Dead in Yemen

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SAN’A, Yemen — Associated (with terrorists) Press, (which promptly tries to find some excuses:) continued below>>

Jihadists murder hostages in Yemen

  • Robert Spencer explains the inevitable ‘nothing to do with Islam’ apologies:

‘Umdat al-Salik, a manual of Islamic jurisprudence certified by Al-Azhar University in Cairo (the most respected authority in Sunni Islam) as conforming “to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community,” lays out four options for hostages: “When an adult male is taken captive, the caliph considers the interests … (of Islam and the Muslims) and decides between the prisoner’s death, slavery, release without paying anything, or ransoming himself in exchange for money or for a Muslim captive held by the enemy” (o9.14).

“Foreign hostages found dead in Yemen,” from AAP, June 15 

Seven out of nine foreign hostages including a child were found murdered in northern Yemen on Monday, security officials said.“We have found the corpses of seven people who were kidnapped,” a local security official said. “They were killed.”

Two of the three children captured with the group were reportedly found alive.

The bodies were found by the son of a tribal leader in Noshour, east of the volatile Saada mountainous area of northern Yemen where the nine were abducted, the official said.

The authorities had accused Shi’ite Zaidi rebels in Saada of seizing seven Germans, a British engineer and a South Korean woman teacher. The rebels denied the charge.

The nine – among them three German children and two women nurses – belong to an international relief group that has been working at a hospital in Saada province bordering Saudi Arabia for 35 years, a local official said on Sunday….

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