CNN: Naser Khader, Tariq Ramadan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Thanks to Islam in Europe

Update: Show transcript added.

This seems to be a segment of a much larger discussion. I’ll update the post when the entire episode is up. Meanwhile, to sum up:

Christiane Amanpour – The Power of the Interview – CNN.com

Hirsi Ali: This is not a debate about religion, but about social and political values and there is There is a clash between Muslim values and European values. Just because Muslims live in Europe does not make Islam European

Ramadan: Muslims speak the local language and are law abiding and therefore, Islam is European. He seems to claim that the veil has nothing to do with identity, but, unless I missed it, he never actually gets around to proving his point.

Naser Khader: The burka is a symbol of political Islam and the majority of Muslims reject political Islam.

See also here.

Hirsi Ali: This is not a debate about religion, but about social and political values and there is There is a clash between Muslim values and European values. Just because Muslims live in Europe does not make Islam European

Ramadan: Muslims speak the local language and are law abiding and therefore, Islam is European. He seems to claim that the veil has nothing to do with identity, but, unless I missed it, he never actually gets around to proving his point.

Naser Khader: The burka is a symbol of political Islam and the majority of Muslims reject political Islam.

See also here.

Shocka! Geert Wilders NOT "FAR RIGHT" at all!

Update:

The trial against Galileo didn’t change physical reality or threaten the survival of European civilization; the forces that Wilders is warning against could indeed destroy European civilization if left unchecked.”

More from the Gates of Vienna

Ed West from the Telegraph Discovers the Obvious: Geert Wilders and his Freedom party  are not in any sense “Far Right”,  but in fact right against wrong:

Like my colleague Douglas Murray, who has already written an excellent post on the show trial of the century, I’ve been surprised by the lack of British media interest in Geert Wilders’s martyrdom in Amsterdam. An American minor celebrity only has to fart to receive blanket coverage in the British press, but when a major politician next door faces jail on trumped-up charges – in a case that will have implications for our freedom of speech – there seems to be little interest.

For those who haven’t visited these parts, Wilders is a Dutch politician on trial for “insulting” Islam by comparing the Koran to Mein Kampf, and for saying that Moroccans commit many street robberies in the Netherlands. Yes, put on trial – not fisked or twitter-lynched or condemned by the Equality Gestapo, but actually brought to court. Wilders calls it “surreal”, and it certainly seems strange that in a city where a gentleman can smoke Morocco’s most famous export and view half-naked women in shop windows, he can go to jail for criticising a religion.

What Americans – or anyone else who’s somehow missed Europe’s slide towards diversity authoritarianism – will find so strange is that it’s not even the truth of Wilder’s statement on trial. Comparing the Koran toMein Kampf is daft – the Koran can be used for evil intent, and does justify violence in many passages, but it can, and has, also inspired much good; Mein Kampf is just plain evil. But this is a country with a long tradition of robust public debate, often of a comically abusive nature, and especially so about religion. It is part of the Dutch tradition of freedom that makes it such a pleasant society.

As for what he says about Moroccans, it is factually correct, but as one of the prosecutors said before the trial: “It is irrelevant whether Wilders’s witnesses might prove Wilders’s observations to be correct, what’s relevant is that his observations are illegal”.

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Meanwhile, Tariq Ramadan, the Muslim Brotherhood’s star agent in Eurabia, chips away at freedom of speech:

……some people have been adamantly arguing that freedom of expression is an absolute right, especially when the issue has to do with Muslims. What we are saying is that the freedom to express yourself was not and cannot be an absolute right.   Source


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Shrillary Clinton opens the door for Tariq Ramadan

Willie Clitman & Shrillary, the progressive, always on the side of evil: bet you didn’t know that slick Willie made himself a cool 200 million dollars by bending over for the Arabs since he is out of office, did you? These two are as  “progressive” like cancer and the AIDS virus. What irks me just as much is that Tariq Ramadan, this very primitive Islamic agit prop, is always referred to as a ‘scholar’- or ‘intellectual’, in some cases even as a “philosopher” and worst of all, a “reformer”.

He is nothing but a propagandist for Islam and a potential terrorist.

Frere Tariq has no intentions to reform anything about Islam, because the uncreated words of allah are perfect.

Here is brother Tariq’s latest interview and his statement on reform of Islam:

Islam does not need to be reformed and Islam has in itself tools for Muslims to have a true understanding of it. The texts that the Muslims refer to – the Quran and hadith – are going to stay as text. They are not going to change. We have an immutable set of principles.

Professors Adam Habib And Tariq Ramadan Likely To Be Readmitted To United States, Says ACLU

“State Department Ends Unconstitutional Exclusion Of Blacklisted Scholars From U.S.”

WASHINGTON – In a major victory for civil liberties, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has signed orders that effectively end the exclusion of two prominent scholars who were barred from the United States by the Bush administration. The American Civil Liberties Union challenged the denial of visas to Professors Adam Habib of the University of Johannesburg and Tariq Ramadan of St. Antony’s College, Oxford University, in separate lawsuits filed on behalf of American organizations that had invited the scholars to speak to audiences inside the United States.

“The orders ending the exclusion of Adam Habib and Tariq Ramadan are long overdue and tremendously important,” said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU National Security Project. “For several years, the United States government was more interested in stigmatizing and silencing its foreign critics than in engaging them. The decision to end the exclusion of Professors Habib and Ramadan is a welcome sign that the Obama administration is committed to facilitating, rather than obstructing, the exchange of ideas across international borders.”   More>>

CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

Here is Daniel Pipes:

Tariq Ramadan Gives Up – Then Tries Again

Tariq Ramadan, the Chicago Tribune, and Me

The Swiss Islamist Tariq Ramadan was about to take up a position at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana in 2004 when the U.S. government prevented him from entering the country on the grounds that he had funded two Hamas-related groups. For five years, his exclusion has been debated and tried. Finally, it was reversed today. The Associated Press explains:

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has signed orders enabling the re-entry of professors Tariq Ramadan of Oxford University in England and Adam Habib of the University of Johannesburg in South Africa once they obtain required admittance documents, department spokesman Darby Holladay said.

Clinton “has chosen to exercise her exemption authority for the benefit of Tariq Ramadan and Adam Habib,” Holladay said. “We’ll let that action speak for itself.” In a prepared statement, Holladay noted the change in U.S. posture since both professors, who are frequently invited to the United States to lecture, were denied admittance after making statements counter to U.S. foreign policy. Both the president and the secretary of state have made it clear that the U.S. government is pursuing a new relationship with Muslim communities based on mutual interest and mutual respect.”.

Comments: (1) I always expected this outcome, that Ramadan would be allowed in, because so many forces were aligned in his favor. That the exclusion lasted over five years was impressive.

(2) Note that this change was ordered from the very top, specifically invoking Obama.

(3) Note also the sleaziness of the State Department spokesman, ascribing Ramadan’s exclusion to his “making statements counter to U.S. foreign policy.” No, the reason was explicitly his having provided funds to a terrorist-related organization. Why the gratuitous lie, State Department?

(4) The Obama administration puts this case into the context of “pursuing a new relationship with Muslim communities based on mutual interest and mutual respect.” But it’s always been a terrorism case, with no connection to issues of Islam. What amateurs.

(5) Note the term “mutual respect,” the hackneyed phrase repeatedly applied to the U.S. government and Muslims – so much so that I have devoted a whole blog to Obama’s use of these words.

(6) So, fellow Americans, how many of you feel safer with the prospect of Tariq Ramadan present in person to talk to our Islamists

EUro Jihad News

Baron Bodissey, Gates of Vienna

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Filip Dewinter “causes” Muslim riots in Antwerp:

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Say Islam is a religion of peace or we smash the place:

The Vlaams Belang leader had the audacity to refer to the imam Nordin Taouil as a “pimp of Allah”, and this flagrant disrespect for Islam has already caused “youths” in Antwerp to begin rioting. Read further…

Flemish Muslims go apeshit over headscarf ban

A decision in one school in Antwerp rapidly led to a general ban on headscarves in public schools in the Flemish region of Belgium this month. Some in the Moroccan community now want to found their own schools.

ENG-headscarf_251176eMuslim women protest against the headscarf ban outside the Royal Atheneum in Antwerp / More from Handelsblad

The Glory of Gouda

“Persons of Dutch background” in Gouda have had finally had enough.

The pervasive violence and lawlessness in the culturally enriched areas of their city induced them to walk the mean streets in protest last week, despite the personal risk involved.

Some sixty people walked the streets to show that they are not afraid. Perhaps fewer than expected, and despite the support of many people.

The Gouda Mayor Wim M. Cornelis (PvdA, Socialist, more later) had in advance forbidden the citizens group to walk through the Gouda district Oosterwei (60% immigrants). According to the Mayor, he and the police “could not guarantee the safety of the Dutch in that district past eight in the evening.” Organizer Peter Visser of the citizens group Gouda’s Glorie responded that this only emphasizes the necessity for the walk. “This walk is a protest and also a call for attention to the growing insecurity in the streets and street terror by youngsters. We do not want our girlfriends, wives and daughters to be called whores.”

Read further…

Austria:

The FPÖ Wins Big in Vorarlberg

Earlier this week regional elections were held in western Austria, and the results confirmed that the anti-immigrant right is continuing to increase in popularity, despite the thick cloud of media smog trying to transform the FPÖ into Nazis.Read further…

Counter Jihad News:

Innocent British Muslim terrorist linked to al-Qaeda

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MI6 officers have uncovered a new terror training camp which may have been run by “dead” Brummie Al Qaida terror suspect Rashid Rauf.

New evidence recently emerged that the alleged mastermind behind a British-based plot to blow up transatlantic airliners was alive, despite US claims that he was killed in a predator drone bombing last year.

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Tariq Ramabam: Criticizing Islam is not freedom of expression

I won’t give this duplicious asshole a soapbox here. If you want to read it, go to Today’sZaman

In this latest overture the pseudo-intellectual grandson of Hassan al Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, compares Muslims with handicapped people and wants to muzzle you from speaking against the Islamization of Europe…

Scotland’s police pro-islamist

Scotland’s largest police force has promised to “oppose” a demonstration by anti-Muslim extremists if the event is intent on stirring up racial hatred. HeraldScotland — Paul Hutcheon / well, I guess they just don’t want to get beaten up by ‘Allahu akbar’ screaming lunatics…


Fitzgerald: Islam, Jihad and "Spontaneous Combustion"

Is Present-Day Jihad Caused By Spontaneous Combustion?

* Jihad links first:

6a0111685b4b71970c0120a569c174970b-800wiLove for Israel brings out hundreds of Fakestinian Arabs in Londonistan during the holy month of Ramadan…

Fitzgerald:

The temporary lull in Islamic ambitions after the fall of the Ottoman caliphate has now spontaneously recombusted into nuvoIslamic [sic] ambitions for a world caliphate ala Al Qeda, Iran’s Ayatollahs, Saud supremacy, etc” — From a reader’s comment on my article here.

It was not “spontaneous combustion” that brought back, in a big and most dangerous way, the pursuit of Jihad, which by now has gone beyond such original local victims of the post-war period as Israel and India. It now targets non-Muslim peoples all over, both in the Muslim-ruled lands, where they have steadily been persecuted, humiliated, and their numbers have declined, and in the lands of Dar al-Harb, where the Muslims who have innocently and far too negligently been allowed to settle in large numbers have taken advantage of every benefit the generous Infidel nations provide. These include the kind of education and medical care unobtainable in the Muslim lands. Muslims have also taken advantage of the edifice of human rights guarantees in order not to promote but rather to subvert the very legal and political institutions that gave birth to those rights, and have helped to maintain and even expand them.

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Dutch Muslims Threaten "Uncivilized Behavior" Over Sacking of Tariq Ramadan

Brother Tariq’s Hit Man

from the Gates of Vienna

Tariq Ramadan

Brother Tariq was sacked because he is a  paid agent for the Iranians. How come  that doesn’t upset his Sunni friends, too?

Mohammed Jabri announces: “[Afshin] Ellian, [Leon] De Winter, [Paul] Cliteur, Erasmus University in Rotterdam and the city council, all of them have with the resignation of Tariq Ramadan — and their involvement therein — placed a new bomb under the social debate.”

*  Of course they need a new bomb after Tariq has been defused. And they’ll blame us for everything as usual.

Mohammed Jabri called Theo van Gogh (when he was still alive) “the pig”, and wrote after the slaughter of Van Gogh: “The murder of Van Gogh leaves us cold. Why is there not more attention for Muslim dead in Chechnya, Palestine or Afghanistan?

Nederland Bekent KleurIf there was any doubt left about his Muslim world-view, Mohammed Jabri is a member of the Committee of Recommendation for Nederland Bekent Kleur [“Netherlands Admits Color”] of the notorious Fortuyn-hater, Wilders-hater, anti-Semite, and subsidy sponge, the Left-wing extremist and a fifth column on his own, René Danen. Jabri put his signature on the Anti-Wilders list of the same René Danen, in support of the upcoming court case against Wilders, and wants see both Wilders and the PVV silenced. Freedom of opinion is not for the Dutch, but for himself and Tariq Ramadan.

In April 2009 he co-initiated — with the usual left-wing traitors and feminists like the anti-Semite Anja Meulenbelt (Socialist Party Senator) and other suspects — the committee known as Support Tariq to help Tariq Ramadan in his “struggle” against the “ongoing smear campaign against him”, and last week wrote a column in support of Ramadan, or better, threatened a few prominent Ramadan critics in his article A Dirty Game!. One may wonder whether he also speaks and threatens at the behest of Ramadan.

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UK Rape Jihad: Muslim Rapes Two 13-Year-Old Girls at a Church…

Munshar Ali

Ali offered the two girls a lift before giving them vodka and raping them.

Munshur Ali, from Hyde in Greater Manchester, asked his victims for directions and began chatting with them before offering the young girls a lift.

Ali drove the girls to an off licence in Stockport and bought them a bottle of vodka to drink.

He then took them to a church and raped the pair twice in the back of his car. SKY News

Neighbours turn nasty: Political Correctness demands that the 23 other normal (native Danish)  families  either accommodate the one rotten family, or move out altogether. But most likely the Moslems are making things intolerable for the rest of the apt.building dwellers in order to make room for all of their relatives and friends.KGS

Tariq Ramadan Repudiated: The Dutch have finally noticed that Tariq Ramadan is who he says he is

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Frere Tariq still welcome in Oxford

Dutch National News

Tariq Ramadan, the Islamic scholar pseudo intellectual sacked by Rotterdam city council and Erasmus University, will take up the job of professor of contemporary Islam studies at Oxford University in Britain from September 1, the Telegraaf reports.

Debate between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Tariq Ramadan – Part 1 of 3

Ramadan was fired because of his refusal to stop working for an Iranian-backed tv channel. The city and university said this could not be combined with his other roles as academic and advisor on integration.

Ramadan has been attached to Oxford as a researcher and lecturer for the past four years.
‘Freedom of expression is a fundamental right which will be respected,’ a spokesman for the British university told the paper. (Ramadan is an enemy agent. Islam-propaganda cannot be explained away as  ‘freedom of expression’ by a bunch of wakademic f*kcwits who never tell the truth about Islam (let alone printing Muhammad cartoons) What they are doing is an insult to anyones intelligence./ed)

Ramadan’s professorship is funded by the Qatar foundation for education, the Telegraaf says.

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Tariq Ramadan shills for Turkey's EU "Anschluss"

“Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU”

The Guardian/Tariq Ramadan

Turkey WAS part of Europe. When it was conquered by Muselmaniacs it ceased being part of Europe, it became dar al Islam. It took Turkey 500 years to wipe out its Christian and Jewish minorities. Turkey is now 99% Islamic. So much for Islamic “tolerance”. And then there is Cyprus…

The slick, slimy grandson of Hassan al Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, finds a soapbox in the Guardian (for Muslims).  The Grunard, as we all know, is not only a far left moonbat eldorado, but a megaphone  for subversives of every political color and persuasion. (Regular Brits need not apply, a bit like Australia’s ABC, really…)

Here’s frere Tariq:

Sarkozy’s argument won’t wash. This great nation, a crucial link with the Muslim world, would be a major asset for the union.

When on his recent visit to Turkey President Obama called for Turkish entry into the European Union, he put his finger on a strategic and cultural sore spot. The French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking for the majority position in Europe, was quick to respond: Turkey may one day enjoy a privileged relationship with the EU, but full membership is out of the question. Turkey is not European – geographically or culturally.

Other Ramadan links:

  1. TARIQ RAMADAN: ‘MUSLIMS DEMAND RESPECT AND HUMIILITY’ TOWARDS ISLAM!’
  2. Tariq Ramadan calls for “One State Solution” in Lille, France
  3. Tariq Ramadan: Europe’s Islam question
  4. The Questions Tariq Ramadan Refuses to Answer
  5. Australia: Red Carpet Reception for Islamic Pseudo-Intellectual Tariq Ramadan
  6. Tariq Ramadan: “an outsider (infidel) cannot understand the glorious Koran!”
  7. Waleed Aly: Australia’s very own clone of Tariq Ramadan

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How to debate a Muslim

Here are some tips on how not to get caught with malevolent detractors who would pull the Islamic wool over your eyes and ears, (if you let them)

End Times Today with Walid Shoebat — Lesson 2: How to Deal with a Muslim Apologist.mov

Part One is here

Update:

Circular reasoning:

“The Koran is the word of Allah because it says so in the Koran”

“Mohammed was not a pedophile because most of the women in his harem were older…”

That would justify the Austrian Fritzl who kept raping his own daughters for almost two decades while locking them up in his celler……..

But Muslims don’t  need perverts like Fritzl,  they’re always 2 steps ahead:

AMMAN: A Jordanian criminal prosecutor has charged a carpenter with the rape and murder of his teenage daughter after he tried to perform a caesarean operation on the victim to abort her and conceal his crime, local newspapers reported Monday.

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In the last couple of days we’ve have quite a few of these ‘defenders of Islam’ on this blog. To spot these annoying time-wasters I dug this out from our “Islam” archive, just to help you all on how to smell the coffee early enough. Note also that most of these mental giants use Western names like  ‘Dave’ or ‘Michael’ and usually call themselves ‘Christians’-  all in the noble spirit of  “war is deceit”- but they are easily spotted.

Debating Mohammedan Taqiyya Doctors

Hugh Fitzgerald wrote this quite a while ago, I have taken liberty to  edit it slightly for length and  this blog entry:

Infuriating, is it not, to attempt to have a rational debate and to find yourself instead with an opponent who slithers about like an eel, and with whom you can never quite engage, because you can never quite grasp and hold him long enough, because he is forever slipping and sliding and meanwhile keeping of a non-stop patter of distraction and attack and omission and exaggeration. The very idea of a debate is or should be related to the idea that each party attempts, in good faith, to examine a topic together, and to ask, or answer, questions of or from the other.

Muslims don’t do that. They don’t ‘play nice’- because  they are religiously obliged to defend the indefensible, and you will be frustrated out of your wits about the detractions, the lies and prevarications that will be thrown your way.

Unless the moderator-hosts for such things set up strict rules, and demand that questions be answered and not remain un-answered or answered with irrelevancies, the farce will continue. And all that will have been learned is something about the eerily eel-like quality of the other side, with all that slipping and slithering –perhaps not quite as effectively as Tariq Ramadan — as far away from the real and serious matter at hand, as is possible.

Dhimmi Watch: Ibn Warraq on How to Debate a Muslim, Part II

Dhimmi Watch: Ibn Warraq on How to Debate a Muslim, Part I

A note from Robert Spencer

Deception in Islam

How to Debate a Muslim

Turnspeak, lies, deflection and taqiyya:

When trying to debate with Muhammed worshipers you will end up frustrated and exasperated: Muhammedans are masters of a technique called ‘turnspeak’–  they use Tu Quoque (’you do it too-arguments) ‘accuse the accuser’- they employ kitman & taqiyya (lies & deception and dissimulation) they deflect away from the subject matter to avoid getting nailed on the unpleasant things like the atrocities, the rape, the plunder, slavery and child-molesting of the ‘profit’ Mohammed and his companions. Inevitably, if you know your stuff-,  you will be cursed, they will threaten to kill you and tell you that you will go to hell for questioning their belief-system.

Expect this and prepare yourself accordingly:

Criticizing Islam? Get ready for this:

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